Is Hollywood Getting Screwed? Are We?

[The Apatow Crew]

Exactly.

I have no probs shelling out from $6.88 (thanks Walmart!) to $9.99 for an original DVD - but $25.99 to $29.99, I don't think so.

(I'm still waiting for Anchorman to drop to $9.99 before I get it..it's hanging on at $12.99 at the moment..a couple months to go..)

Man your such a cheap ass.Your tellimg me you can't spend the extra $3 dollars?

 

[y2jversion1]

Man your such a cheap ass.Your tellimg me you can't spend the extra $3 dollars?

Why spend an extra $3 when it's coming on satellite like every weekend?

I'm in no rush for it, just like to have a copy lying around.

As for being a cheap-ass, I'll drop serious loot when something is worth it and I really really want it - but when I can wait and am in no rush, why waste extra money?

 

[Mike_D202]

Hes not saying he wont pay the extra 3 dollars (if you read carefully, he said he doesnt mind paying 10 bucks for a dvd...not a dvd thats being sold between 25-30).

 

[The Lizard]

I'll bet most of those supposed billions of lost dollars are being lost overseas in countries like China where video piracy has run rampant for years.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

It's freaking $3 dollars though.

You that much a tight ass with your money?


And about you saying you don't care about employees of the companys.

Just think about them when someone informs them of all your illegal downloaded stuff. Your have plenty of time to think about that in jail and a hefty fine to pay after you get out.

Do think if downloading a $10 movie is worthing going to jail for the next 3-5 years is worth it.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Hes not saying he wont pay the extra 3 dollars (if you read carefully, he said he doesnt mind paying 10 bucks for a dvd...not a dvd thats being sold between 25-30).

But if your gonna pay 10 bucks why not just pay the extra 3 bucks?

And where are movies 25-30 dollars. thats only if you go to Suncoast or FYE.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Why should a guy like Tom Cruise be paid in 10s of millions for portraying a fictional character while the boom operater makes $20/hr?

What are you, a commie rascal?

Let me tell you why...beCAUSE, millions of people all over the world do not want to pay to see the boom operator operate the boom, which is a job that any trained monkey could do. They ( for some reason ) want to see TOM CRUISE, the personality, the once in a lifetime, only, unique personage of Tom Cruise.

There is no once in a lifetime, one-and-only Boom Operator.

Furthermore, they pay TC $20 million, um.....'cause,.....THAT'S WHAT HE'S WORTH TO THEM! And that's what it's worth to him.

If I call up Tom Cruise and say, "Hey, will you be in my movie? I'll pay you $200!" He'll say "F*** that, LMAO!"

And, if Tom Cruise says, "Yeah, I'd love to do Mission Impossible 7. But, I won't do it for less than 1.2 billion dollars.", the Bigwigs would say, "F*** that! LMAO."

God, in my world? a world of morality and logic?...if you think $30 is too much to ask for a DVD of Savannah Smiles, then, um...don't buy it.


If I rent out a concert hall, 'cause I'm a phenomenal banjo player, and I think asking $25 a person, to come and hear my pickin', is a reasonable ammount to cover my costs and make some profit, then that's what I DECIDED, about MY ART.

You can't come up to the ticket booth and say, "MMmmmm, I love his banjo playing, but I don't $25-Love it, lol....I'll give ya, um....lessee....$8! "

Uh, F*** YOU. Go A.Way. No banjo for you.
Only now, because of technology, people can covertly DO th^t, and it's wrong.

If you don't like paying money for a movie, then watch free movies, where the artist said, "Hey! I made this movie! Watch it for free!"

Otherwise, you're a thief.

 

[y2jversion1]

It's freaking $3 dollars though.

You that much a tight ass with your money?


And about you saying you don't care about employees of the companys.

Just think about them when someone informs them of all your illegal downloaded stuff. Your have plenty of time to think about that in jail and a hefty fine to pay after you get out.

Do think if downloading a $10 movie is worthing going to jail for the next 3-5 years is worth it.

No I'm not a tight-ass with money, if you read properly I said that I'll drop serious money where it's worth it and I want it bad - hell i'll spend over $3K on bodybuilding supplements, action figures & graphic novels every 6 months or so..5-6K a year on that stuff a year - that my friend, is not being a tight-ass.

If I'm not in a hurry for something, why is not spending an extra few bucks on something I don't necessarily need right away considered being a tight-ass?

Aside from movies like Batman Begins where I did spend the $35 for the deluxe double pack when it came out, what's the big deal if my criteria for buying dvds is $10 or less - especially if it's already on tv all the time?

As for the jail thing, I don't download any movies - I just get burnt copies from friends, or buy them from chinatown.

 

[Addendum]

I read an article in the WaPo yesterday (it's that said that the movie industry is losing 20.5 BILLION DOLLARS a year from piracy, n terms of lost revenue, jobs, and stuff like that. Article is here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092801640.html

That is insane, to me, somehow. I guess I never really thought about how many people pirate movies out there. I wonder if that leads to poor production on movies that could be better, or if it prevents smaller films from ever getting made in the first place? If so, that would suck!

When should I care

 

[The Lizard]

Wilhelm's goin' all Ayn Rand on your butts.

 

[jaguarr]

Wilhelm's goin' all Ayn Rand on your butts.

Can I have a towel, please?

jag

 

[The Apatow Crew]

And i also say if you see a pirated movie you can't have opinion on it. Cause you didn't pay for it. Yes i'm trying to say you have to pay to say if a movie sucks. If you didn't pay than shut your damn mouth! Your opinion doesn't count one bit.

 

[Addendum]

Opinion has no relation to paying for something

 

[The Apatow Crew]

As for the jail thing, I don't download any movies - I just get burnt copies from friends, or buy them from chinatown.

So thats still illegal stuff. if you watched a actuall dvd your see the warning that says its against thre law to sell copyrighted material and if you are holding any of that sfuff your looking at a 250,000 fine and a maxuim of 5 years in prison.

 

[y2jversion1]

What are you, a commie rascal?

Nope, just throwing my 2 cents around, like yourself.

Let me tell you why...beCAUSE, millions of people all over the world do not want to pay to see the boom operator operate the boom, which is a job that any trained monkey could do. They ( for some reason ) want to see TOM CRUISE, the personality, the once in a lifetime, only, unique personage of Tom Cruise.

There is no once in a lifetime, one-and-only Boom Operator.

Furthermore, they pay TC $20 million, um.....'cause,.....THAT'S WHAT HE'S WORTH TO THEM! And that's what it's worth to him.

My response was in regards to the post trying to say "what about peoples jobs being lost to piracy? waa waa waa" - If the production companies don't give a ****, why should I?

My suggestion of something similar to a salary cap was so that the fat-cats don't syphon a majority of the money while the chumps get lucked out as well as avoid piracy. Can you not read FFS?

God, in my world? a world of morality and logic?...if you think $30 is too much to ask for a DVD of Savannah Smiles, then, um...don't buy it.

Thats what I do there, genius. If you read the rest of my posts, you'd have a clue before flapping those e-gums.

If I rent out a concert hall, 'cause I'm a phenomenal banjo player, and I think asking $25 a person, to come and hear my pickin', is a reasonable ammount to cover my costs and make some profit, then that's what I DECIDED, about MY ART.

You can't come up to the ticket booth and say, "MMmmmm, I love his banjo playing, but I don't $25-Love it, lol....I'll give ya, um....lessee....$8! "

Uh, F*** YOU. Go A.Way. No banjo for you.
Only now, because of technology, people can covertly DO th^t, and it's wrong.

Ok, now you're just getting ridiculous. I didn't mention anything about a concert - that is totally different than recorded material. Are you putting on an act here or are you seriously that stupid?

 

[Addendum]

The FBI has more important things to do than travel around the country arresting people who are watching a burned copy of a DVD

 

[y2jversion1]

So thats still illegal stuff. if you watched a actuall dvd your see the warning that says its against thre law to sell copyrighted material and if you are holding any of that sfuff your looking at a 250,000 fine and a maxuim of 5 years in prison.

You must really have wings and a halo there eh bud?

Let me guess, you've never EVERRR obtained or viewed or even done anything illegal.

As far as I know, even photographs are intellectual property of magazines and photographers - do you have written consent from the intellectual owners for all of the photographs of Jessica Alba that you are in possession of? What about that porn on your hard drive?

If your hands ain't clean, don't preach.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

My response was in regards to the post trying to say "what about peoples jobs being lost to piracy? waa waa waa" - If the production companies don't give a ****, why should I?
My suggestion of something similar to a salary cap was so that the fat-cats don't syphon a majority of the money while the chumps get lucked out as well as avoid piracy. Can you not read FFS?

You people who talk about these "fatcats" are scary. Are you aware that to an illegal imigrant, YOU are a "fatcat".

He doesn't think it's fair that you have 2 cars and he has none, 'cause you're just a "fatcat", exploiting the weak.
It's not your place to decide who deserves how much compensation.
Reminds me of these fascist ass****s who are mad that Starbucks is so successful.

They say, (almost exact quote from my friend when we were debating this) "I'm not saying that people shouldn't be free to conduct business in their own way and make a profit, even a huge profit. But how much is enough? Where does it stop?"

Uh, the answer is, they'll let you know when they get tired of expanding.
If you don't like their monopoly, don't support them with your dollars.
But THEY are not the problem. The problem is, everybody else wants to go to Starbucks. If they didn't want to go there, Starbucks wouldn't be able to expand.

Thats what I do there, genius. If you read the rest of my posts, you'd have a clue before flapping those e-gums.

Let me clarify, I was only responding to your question, "Why should Tom Cruise get 20 million and the boom operator gets only $20 an hour?"

After that I was just back to my Anti-Piracy rant, not talking to you anymore and I did not read any of your other posts.

Ok, now you're just getting ridiculous. I didn't mention anything about a concert - that is totally different than recorded material. Are you putting on an act here or are you seriously that stupid?

I wasn't trying to do a 1:1 analogous thing.
I'm just saying, art is created, the audience pays for the right to enjoy the art. It's not the audiences place to decide the fee. It's the person giving the show, whether it be a painter, a concert, or a DVD.

 

[lazur]

Honestly, I think movie piracy is a natural part of the evolution of entertainment. The "Hollywood phenomenon" has only been around for about 100 years. Prior to that, people created their own entertainment and you certainly couldn't get rich off "acting".

And I have no problem with that. I'm sick of these lucky, elitist idiots in Hollywood who make more money for a few months work than most people will ever make in an entire lifetime telling me how much better they are than everyone else.

Hollywood needs to die and the market for entertainment needs to be broadened to the point where ANYONE who's willing and talented can "entertain" others.

With the way the internet is going, I see all of that as within reach. I could care less about piracy and the Hollywood elitists living in mansions who lose a few bucks because of it. Entertainment was never about MONEY. You can take the average comedian down in some night club somewhere, making pennies for his performance, and he'd be more entertaining than 90% of the 100 million dollar "block busters" Hollywood craps out on a yearly basis.

Hopefully, not too long from now, we won't actually need these overpaid actors anymore anyway. CGI will be effective and CHEAP enough that we can just replace real people with fake ones.

 

[Addendum]

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[Wilhelm-Scream]

HaHaHa, lazur's insane.

 

[lazur]

HaHaHa, lazur's insane.

Thanks!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

You're so jealous of movie stars that you're envisioning a world where poor nobodies produce nothing but computer animations, for free.

Lol, awesome.

 

[lazur]

You're so jealous of movie stars that you're envisioning a world where poor nobodies produce nothing but computer animations, for free.

Lol, awesome.

Nah, I wouldn't call it jealousy. I think America SHOULD be a place where someone who WORKS HARD can really make it.

Problem is that not everyone is afforded the same opportunities, so most people who DO work hard never amount to anything and wind up dying at a near poverty level.

Movie stars, typically, are people who LUCKED into the business through their looks or through some other means beyond their own control. So you have people like Tom Cruise, otherwise just an ordinary Joe who quit high school, making 20 million in a four month period for shooting a movie, while a doctor who saves more lives in a year than cruise has shaken hands with makes pennies by comparison, or perhaps a school teacher, responsible for educating people like Tom Cruise, who makes even less.

I'm not really advocating the destruction of Hollywood as much as I am the building of a foundation for "everyone else"; a foundation which would THEN overshadow the grip Hollywood has on the market.

 

[y2jversion1]

Nah, I wouldn't call it jealousy. I think America SHOULD be a place where someone who WORKS HARD can really make it.

Problem is that not everyone is afforded the same opportunities, so most people who DO work hard never amount to anything and wind up dying at a near poverty level.

Movie stars, typically, are people who LUCKED into the business through their looks or through some other means beyond their own control. So you have people like Tom Cruise, otherwise just an ordinary Joe who quit high school, making 20 million in a four month period for shooting a movie, while a doctor who saves more lives in a year than cruise has shaken hands with makes pennies by comparison, or perhaps a school teacher, responsible for educating people like Tom Cruise, who makes even less.

I'm not really advocating the destruction of Hollywood as much as I am the building of a foundation for "everyone else".

Almost exactly my sentiments regarding the Doctor example you gave - we have Doctors, who give life (assist in births) and save lives who are paid a mere small fraction of what sports athletes & actors make.

IMO, it's not really the actors/athlete's fault, but society as a whole runs backwards - giving importance where it shouldn't be given. A doctor's fees go up, everyone *****es - movie tickets or baseball/hockey tickets go up - it's ok, it's the hometeam.

sdrawkcab si yteicos.