Which is irrelevant to my point.
Bay tried to add a "tear jerker" and a "teen love story" to that film, not to mention the love for a father and his child and tried to make them a center peace of the film....
And he failed.
he tried to add a teen love story? dads will be dads when it comes to their little girls huh
it's called summer time, what better for the summer audience to relate to..
not sure where you get the he tried to add tho?
He would have failed if he tried that too.
he would have failed if he tried to treat the material seriously...but instead he succeeded in making one of the biggest funnest blockbusters
...ahem again just like something about mary fails in telling a good deep love story but succeeds in...etc
Agreed....and he and the movie failed because he tried to "move" people with the plight of the characters.
The father that cared to much for his daughter, the NASA administrator who always wanted to be the pilot, The true love that may never be, the other father who never knew his son,
All of these concept and characterizations were an attempt to "move" the viewer, to make the viewer identify with the characters and they all failed.
About the only part that rang true was how the Government almost messed everything up.
again
http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/a/armageddon-script-screenplay.html
bay take this **** and makes it entertaining
it's all there on paper
1."Bay tried to add a "tear jerker" and a "teen love story""
2."The father that cared to much for his daughter"
3."administrator who always wanted to be the pilot"
4."the other father who never"
5. etc
and unless anyone has seen bay's WGA membership card...(he doesn't have one)
it's time the truth is finally accepted
everything "you" hate is there before bay even pick up a camera
all he does is make it look golden aka...annoying
Bruckheimer wants to make a film, he wants it to be told a certain way, and he wants it to make this much money
...
then again Pirates was such a gem of story telling...maybe it is just bay.
it's called a Producer
True enough and I dont know if many other directors could have made a better film useing that script but the concept of love and war may be out dated but its not a failed concept.
I do find myself agreeing with you there
At the very least an other director may have called for a re-wrire and we may have gotten a better film.
may have being the operative word
and with JB producing..I would have loved to see them try.
Gone with the Wind (1939) It was nominated for thirteen Academy Awards and won eight including Best Picture, Best Actress (Vivian Leigh), and Best Screenplay (Sidney Howard).Not to mention it featured two of the most memorable characters in movie history. Casablanca (1942) The film won three Academy Awards including Best Picture.
The Best Years of our lives (1946) won seven Academy Awards including Best Picture, Best Director (William Wyler), and Best Screenplay (Robert Sherwood)
From Here to Eternity (1953)Won eight Academy Awards including Best Picture, Best Director (Fred Zinnemann) and Supporting Oscars for Frank Sinatra and Donna Reed
Dr. Zhivago (1965) Won five Oscars including Best Screenplay and Best Music.
And More recently The English Patient (1996)Winner of nine Academy Awards including Best Picture
None are exactly my kind of films thou
you and alot of other summer movie season patrons
I've seen most of those and one, unlike say Platoon and Pravite Ryan, and Appoc Now and Lock Stock and others
those are more like the note book, the war is the after thought, the "love" is the draw
secondly, all of those you just mentioned were based on books or plays or whatnot that had so much acclaim the directors would have to be genius's of messing thing up, to mess them up.
honestly I think two of those stories won Pulitzer's, I think gone with the wind the book is a nobel peace prize winner...English patient is the classic book...etc
now go read the pearl harbour script...
(that bay wrote)
people talk of story telling this and that...it kinda starts with a story
and bay never has that on his side.
unlike Lean and Kubrick who always ran to the best novels to literally translate.
Bays made 6 fun movies
The script may have raised questions about the human condition and had substance but the directors job is to make that ring true on film....to make it seem real to the view threw the preformance of the actors.
not if it's not there in the script
then actors can perform till the cows come home...
And Bay failed in that sence.He was more concerned with the action and product placement then he was in creating an atmosphere of realizem and the effect of that world on the characters, and in retrospect, our possible futures.
actually the atmosphere was visually amazing, the realism did fail tho, especially with the giant R sequence
and "The Island" failed in that department where other films like "Logan's Run" and "Fahrenheit 451" [ which shared the concept theme] did not fail.
Even the film that "The Island" stole its premise from did a far better job at being thought provoking....""Parts: The Clonus Horror".
Children of Men also did a great job of showing the plight of the human condition if things dont change.
again comparing a good script or books in these cases, to the summer scripts bay shoots is arguing my case for me
Even the 5 Planet of the Apes did a far better job of conveying the general idea that "look at what our society has created".
There were even a few Twilight Zone and Outer limit's episodes that did a far better job with the general concept in question then Bay did.
The Island just doesn't measure up.....at least not in my opinion.
mine either but it does for other people
it was his first movie away from JB and it had substance through and through
it wasn't about buddy cops and crystal meth
it was about humans growing life to replace their body parts like car parts
and the general concept then of what is a life of value...the clones show us with their experiences
i personally don't fancy the film but, for the hypocrites here who praise the original G1 saturday morning toy commercial for it's "substance" the Island is a diamond in the rough
and thus they veto'd their power to say anything negative about it.
We'll see....after the movie is released.
Anyone who starts talking about GIjoe not being as good as Saving Private Ryan story and depth wise really needs to take a chill pill
even Devin F of chud fame has openly admitted that he doesn't want that film to be more then it is...he wants it to be a fun brain cruise
the kids that allowed for it to be made into a film deserve as much
And thats where I wouldnt go as far in saying.
To begin with the robot designs were lacking in the same areas that the Dino designs fulfilled.[BTW this was also Bays fault]
You looked at the Dino's in J.Park and felt that you may have just seen what they really looked like.On the other hand, Bay took a lot of creative chances with the designs he chose and truth be told it hurt the way some of the characters were viewed [no pun intended]
that's where you and alot of fan boys are getting it wrong
if you really look at optimus(or anyone (apart from megatron)) mathematically it's all there (being a maya student, i know all about how these programs glitch)
it's all there, it's even been stated that the truck design had to be changed to make up for the mass
even when it's drawn it makes sense in ways the blockies don't
http://fc21.deviantart.com/fs18/f/2007/198/3/4/transformers_Movie__Bumblebee_by_Eldelgado.jpg
that beautiful final shot of Optimus on near the tree during magic hour really let the audience take in the fact that all the sprockets and horns, windshield wipers and windows, there all there
sure because unlike the cartoon it's all there it makes for a busy design but the reward is an audience that has no doubts about what their seeing
the originals look funky(blocky) because they were designed for animation
this is designed for (computer animation) real life.
secondly the fact that the audience witness the cars unfolding adds to the illusion
the same way we didn't doubt Jurassic Park(not sure why), the director has planted enough seeds to actually pull robots in disguise off...it pisses the fans off but at some point they'll open their eyes and see that that's what they were really watching as kids
not some 40ft robot that does 4 back flips makes a 56k modem sound and he's a gun
even the sound design pisses fans off cause it's not that stupid modem sound..
if the designs were more in liking to the original
no matter how well it would be rendered, it wouldn't matter...it would look like really nice cgi
anyone that wants to hate on the claw feet, need to look at the way the original BB's feet worked, my god
remember that scene with the girl and the feet coming out of her pool?
realism takes sacrifices.
Lastly bay's powerhouse photography just brought it all together
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oWpNcFNTmng/Rl8ce_ZjV6I/AAAAAAAAATE/8VUBTYgtkbE/s1600-h/TFW2005TV529-0026.jpg
the designs really made this movie and thats the one thing that's the biggest shame off all
cause some dude at ILM really hit the nail on the head with his ideas and work and it's **** on every day.
You really didnt walk out of the TF film an say.... "boy the TF's looked like I always imagined they would look".
Besides that there were a lot of visual flaws in TF that just werent as apparent in JP.
Even the "Bumblebee "leaking" on the agent scene had an apparent flaw.
When Bumble bee let his cap hit the agent in the head the agent rubbed the wrong part of his head afterward.
I can name a few more visual flaws but I dont want to make this a CGI debate.
pointing out the mistakes wouldn't get us anywhere
i mean technically Raptors have feathers...
it's not just wonderfully cgi creatures, it's the functional transforming that really sells it.
it's late and have stuff to do for school, hopefully there aren't too many mistakes in all of this
peace
