The Avengers Is one "bad guy" enough?

[Rock Sexton]

We're obviously going to see Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, and the Hulk with speculation as to what exactly Hulk's involvement will be. We also know there's a good chance for secondary characters like the Black Widow, War Machine, etc. to show up at some point.

We'll have an antagonist ..... but the question is, is "one" enough? All these good guys and one bad guy? Is there a baddy bad enough to require the attention of the ENTIRE team?

 

[SuperFerret]

Kang, Loki, Ultron, the Leader, etc. There are lots of single villains (and their no-name minions) that can cause ample trouble for the Avengers.

Aside from the Loki and Hulk origin, Ultron would make for a good threat for the first movie, it allows the Pym's to be brought in easily, and makes for a big enough threat that the team would need to be formed to face it (even to the point of bringing in as dangerous a threat as the Hulk, who'd make a great weapon if you point him in the right direction).

 

[Rock Sexton]

Kang, Loki, Ultron, the Leader, etc. There are lots of single villains (and their no-name minions) that can cause ample trouble for the Avengers.

Aside from the Loki and Hulk origin, Ultron would make for a good threat for the first movie, it allows the Pym's to be brought in easily, and makes for a big enough threat that the team would need to be formed to face it (even to the point of bringing in as dangerous a threat as the Hulk, who'd make a great weapon if you point him in the right direction).

You'll have to forgive me because my knowledge of Avengers baddies is quite limited. What makes those guys worthy of a 4-on-1 fight? Do any of them command an army of other bad guys who you could throw in there .... i.e. Hydra (from what I know of them)?

 

[SuperFerret]

All of them have no-name minions to throw at the Avengers (I purposely excluded Baron Zemo because he'd have the Masters of Evil and that'd count as more than one villain). Ultron, Loki and possibly Kang is capable of taking them all on. Also Loki and Kang are masters at manipulation and can use the Avengers against each other.

Kang also has a ton of alternate selves, so it could be 5 Kangs vs 5 Avengers if it's needed.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ultron can potentially kill them all with his encephalo-ray, plus he's made of Adamantium so he's indestructable and also capable of rebuilding himself.

Kang is a 31st century time traveller and conquerer, with advanced technology beyond anything the Avengers have encountered.

Both those two are capable of taking on the Avengers by themselves. Ultron should be saved for the sequel though.

 

[Nathan]

I major bad guy with minions would be enough. What I'd love though, is if old villains return under the command of the new bad guy. I'd love to see Abomination return.

 

[Dark Raven]

What would've been great is that all the villains return from the previous Marvel films and team up to fight the Avengers. Then they wouldn't be a completely brand new set of villains. Unfortunately, I don't think we'll be seeing Whiplash or Iron Monger. We could get the Leader, Abomination, Loki and Red Skull though. Shame that some of these villains couldn't have been ones that could form the Masters of Evil under Baron Zemo.

 

[KangConquers]

Considering Kang has an army of literally one trillion soldiers at his disposal (he has conquered the entire milky way in his time period), and Loki could lead a brigade of Frost Giants, I'm sure they can find a way to swing avengers.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

One major bad guy with plenty of henchmen.

 

[ImWithTeamConan]

Loki controlled Hulk for the first two acts, Loki and a whole bunch of frost giants for the ending.

Sequel possibilities: Kang, Skrulls Invasion, Ultron, Wrecking Crew, lots of things out there.

 

[Ajendo]

I think the Mandarin should play a part in the avengers movie for sure.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Perhaps Loki can round up Abomination, Justin Hammer, maybe even bring back Red Skull from the 1940s. Form a team of his own.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I'd go with Leader, HYDRA, Zemo, and maybe Loki manipulating Hulk in the first part. But it's sort of a waste using Loki only for that and not a much grander role. I don't think Mandarin should be in it unless its a cameo. I'd also not use Leader if they plan on doing more Hulk movies.

 

[KangConquers]

I'd go with Leader, HYDRA, Zemo, and maybe Loki manipulating Hulk in the first part. But it's sort of a waste using Loki only for that and not a much grander role. I don't think Mandarin should be in it unless its a cameo. I'd also not use Leader if they plan on doing more Hulk movies.

I don't want any villains in the masters of evil that weren't on the team in the comics.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The threat has to be big enough so that's it's reasonable for the the Avengers to actually team up. Can't have just one guy that could be taken down by one hero.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

I think the Hulk and Loki is more than enough. Even if Loki doesn't fight physically, he is still a master sorcerer.

 

[Dark Raven]

If Thor already took down Loki in the Thor movie, then the Avengers won't be needed to beat him a second time round, once Hulk is freed from his control and works with the rest of his team mates.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The threat has to be big enough so that's it's reasonable for the the Avengers to actually team up. Can't have just one guy that could be taken down by one hero.

Kind of my thought too ....

 

[Iron_Stark]

Hulk as the "muscle" villain throughout the film would be a huge waste.

Have the Avengers fight Hulk in the first act and then have him team up in act 2 and 3.

 

[KangConquers]

The threat has to be big enough so that's it's reasonable for the the Avengers to actually team up. Can't have just one guy that could be taken down by one hero.

The Avengers have had plenty of villains in the past that took their combined efforts to take down. Kang, Thanos, and Korvac come to mind as villains who have been able to single handedly take on the avengers.

The last thing I want is a masters of evil based on bringing back every characters previous main villain...nor one based on debuting villains that should be done in a solo movie...villains shouldn't team up just because they are evil, or because they "Want to destroy the avengers...mwahahahahahaa!" That is terrible paper thin motivation.

If there's an evil team, whether it's the Skrulls, The Masters of Evil, Hydra or whatever, they should be a team that would exist even if there were no avengers, and have a unified goal (For example, if they go the way of the Skrulls, The invasion of Earth could be to use it as a strategic planetary outpost in the war against the Kree, which could be explored in a sequel.)

I know some people consider villains with motivation too sympathetic, but it could also be a colder motivation, like the one I gave above, or a Red Skull/ Zemo Jr. lead masters of evil team engineering a biological weapon to wipe out those who don't fit the aryan profile. Those are nasty reasons to form an alliance, and they're much better reasons than just "I will get revenge on my enemy who embarassed me!" or "I will rule the world!"

 

[SuperFerret]

The "I will rule the world!" types are more fun.

 

[KangConquers]

The "I will rule the world!" types are more fun.

Do you not enjoy plot?

 

[SuperFerret]

I do, but they're still fun. A plot doesn't need to be deep to be good.

 

[KangConquers]

I do, but they're still fun. A plot doesn't need to be deep to be good.

deep and having depth are too different things; I'm not asking that a villain stand in the nude and recite shakespeare while holding the skull of their dead father, I'm just saying that they need to have more motivation then revenge or ruling the world. This movie should be special, not just a big special fx and cameo cluster****.

 

[FaT_tONle]

villains shouldn't team up just because they are evil, or because they "Want to destroy the avengers...mwahahahahahaa!" That is terrible paper thin motivation.

You know it... Red Skull already has the last part down:

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