Superman Returns Is there a chance the Hommage will bite SR in the ass?

Homage you mean?

 

I think it may go a little overkill. I don't homages though.

 

What does that mean? it's not Reeve's FOS, he's not among us anymore, he was the first superman but it's time to move on.

 

Sure. I think as of late though your opinions have been different, you've been much easier to converse with on the boards

 

Umm

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hommage

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No entry found for hommage.

Did you mean homage?"



Btw you ignored my compliment. How rude

 

Umm

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hommage

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No entry found for hommage.

Did you mean homage?"



Btw you ignored my compliment. How rude

 

I am not sure that it will come back to haunt Singer. I think he is giving the audience something they are familiar with, which is also the case with Smallville. I am not sure if I would have wanted to see a high tech fortress of solidtude as I've seen in the comics. I don't think they are trying to erased the memory of Reeve but rather keep it alive by using the Donner movies as a basis for Returns.

 

Double Post...boards are updating and screwing with my mind.

 

Well Reeve was playing Superman, Brando was playing Jor-el and Jor-el is Superman's father, point being I don't think there are many who would make the connection between Christopher Reeve and the FOS or the paternal connection between Reeve and Brando quite as directly as you are.

 

It's Superman's FoS. I don't think of it as an attempt to replace Reeve, but continue what seems to be a very well-loved interpretation of Superman. Reeve is the face of that interpretation, but many other people contributed to it. Now Singer and friends are adding their contributions.

 

Reeve's was an actor who played Superman.

He died.

Move on.

Seriously, there comes a point where you take it a tad bit too far. Reeve's does not OWN Superman and I doubt he'd agree with half the remarks made on these boards nowadays -- but I can't speak for him.

He's an actor who played Superman. Anything else is what you inflate into that and it stands as a subjective reality that you have no right to graft onto others, other objects, or other mediums.

 

You're a pain in the a**.

 

Reeve IS the best actor that has ever played Superman and no matter how you spin in it, the general public will always associate him with supes, when this film comes out Blandon will be judged against Reeve and if he does not hold up, this film will get trashed

 

No doubt, just as the actors that play Bond have to stand up to the Connery yardstick, but that's a whole lot different than an audience taking affront to Singer using "Reeve's" FOS.

 

could someone post a pic of the FOS not inspired by Donner's vision ? like lets say the animated series

 

I love how you say I put words in your mouth, and then you say basically those words. Excuse me for summarizing.

BRANDO didn't send REEVES to Earth. BRANDO is not sending ROUTH to Earth.

JOR-EL is sending KAL-EL to Earth.

Is this really so hard to understand? These actors ARE NOT THE CHARACTERS, they play a character and these characters exist both beyond and outside them, the mantles of which available for whatever new actor comes along.

And you're misusing Retconning. Retconing is changing the past history of a character. They are not changing the past history of a character, their accentuating it. Plus, Singer has remarked this is a "vague" history, which totally bombs any idea of retconning.

This is the equivelant of saying that Roger Moore retconned Sean Connery out of the Bond movies. Or Pierce Brosnan retconned Sean Connery and Roger Moore. It's a logical inaccuracy that arises from not using the word properly.

They're not saying that Routh is a different Superman, Pal-El, who was instead sent to Earth instead of Kal-El. He's playing Kal-el.

Really, you need to draw your lines between reality and cinematic fiction.

 

I don't think there's anything "sacriligeous" about using Donner's Jor-el or Fortress, or Williams theme music. Singer is simply honoring those movies and the public's love for them. As much as I hate Smallville, when I saw the Fortress rise up in the season premiere I got goosebumps and ate up every second of it. It didn't bother me at all to see Welling walking around inside it. The same applied to Archer and crew walking around a TOS-era starship on Enterprise-- seeing all those old sets and designs in a new light was enormously fun, regardless of how much I hated that show.

I don't know about anybody else, but when I think of the Fortress of Solitude, the first and only one that comes to mind is the one in the Donner movies. It's just an iconic image.

 

I think it will depend on who you ask. I just talked with my mom today. She grew up reading comic books, she loved the Reeve films, and she watches Smallville. She's been around the block quite a few times with all things Superman, so I would consider her a long time but casual fan. Anyhoo, she saw the trailer during SV last night and couldn't stop yappin' about Marlon Brando. She was surprised they used his voice, but loved it none-the-less. She likes him better than "the other guy." (Translation: Stamp's voice as Jor-El on SV.) She was only disappointed in the length of the teaser (she wanted to see more) and she didn't like "what they did to him [Superman]." (Translation: she thought Routh was Welling.)

Now, I realize the film isn't targeting 66 yo widowed retirees, but they're fans too. And their money is as green as everybody else's. I know on one level my mom will be highly entertained by SR, but I also happen to know there have been other revelations that have disappointed her. I just tell her to fill out her application and join the club. It's a big one.