Jerry Seinfeld Brings Up a Good Point

[Gamma Ray]

Why do they need a Justice League? Can't Superman just take of everything. I mean, he's SUPERman!

 

[SuperFerret]

Because, for all his power, Superman is just one man. He can't be everywhere and do everything. Seriously, how do you think Superman would feel about that idea? "Why do we need a League? Why can't I just take care of it all? Because I need to sleep and go to work and spend time with my lady occasionally too."

Nevermind the fact that the Flash, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter may actually be more powerful than he is.

 

[shadowdog]

And Superman is easily defeated if you access to Kryptonite and is incredibly suceptable to magic, he needs some support@!

 

[protocida]

The only one as powerfull as Superman is Martian Manhunter.

 

[Kevin Smith]

Superman is great but he cannot read minds, phase thru things, move 3 X faster than the speed of light or magically get people to tell the truth.

He's physically the most formidable but the other leaguers compliment him.

 

[az824]

because superman doesnt wear a wonder thong and he doesnt have boobs to satisfy men (and some women)

 

[M.O.Steel]

Because, for all his power, Superman is just one man. He can't be everywhere and do everything. Seriously, how do you think Superman would feel about that idea? "Why do we need a League? Why can't I just take care of it all? Because I need to sleep and go to work and spend time with my lady occasionally too."

Nevermind the fact that the Flash, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter may actually be more powerful than he is.

Superman is great but he cannot read minds, phase thru things, move 3 X faster than the speed of light or magically get people to tell the truth.

He's physically the most formidable but the other leaguers compliment him.

while all that is true, superman is still more powerful than MM. There was a panel where aquaman was pissed off at superman, and he was fighting MM disguised as superman. at the end of the fight MM says something along the lines of, if you were really fighting superman, you wouldn't have even stood a chance. So even MM admits superman being more powerful than he is.

 

[TheLongestDay]

The only one as powerfull as Superman is Martian Manhunter.

not to start up a major geek war but if green lantern studied all the elements in kryptonite he could create it with his ring...plus he can split atoms with it too

 

[GreenKToo]

Bah. Batman would whip them all given enough prep time.

 

[TheLongestDay]

Bah. Batman would whip them all given enough prep time.

truet:

 

[The Major]

while all that is true, superman is still more powerful than MM. There was a panel where aquaman was pissed off at superman, and he was fighting MM disguised as superman. at the end of the fight MM says something along the lines of, if you were really fighting superman, you wouldn't have even stood a chance. So even MM admits superman being more powerful than he is.

That doesn't prove anything.

MM has always been downplayed whenever Superman's around and by most writers in general. Can't have MM making the Boy Scout look less powerful, editorial hates that.

 

[The Major]

not to start up a major geek war but if green lantern studied all the elements in kryptonite he could create it with his ring...

GL's dont need to study something to make a duplicate. All they need to know is that it exists then their ring creates it seconds later. IIRC GL rings have created Krytonite before.

plus he can split atoms with it too

Thats the least a GL can do with it.

 

[M.O.Steel]

That doesn't prove anything.

MM has always been downplayed whenever Superman's around and by most writers in general. Can't have MM making the Boy Scout look less powerful, editorial hates that.

but the knowledge of the characters are what the writers and the editors present them as right? they aren't based on real people, but the minds of these writers. MM himself admitted it, so he himself feels that superman is more powerful. this isn't even what the staff says outside of comics.

if tolkien says hobbits had blue skin, tha'ts it. they have blue skin.

 

[The Major]

but how knowledge of the characters are what the writers and the editors present them as write? they aren't based on real people, but the minds of these writers.

Writers don't think collectively. Some have wildly different takes on characters. Some writers are more powerful in companies then others, too. So they'll get different ideas published easier then writers who aren't as powerful in the same company.

Editors also come into it. As does the character's worth to the company it belongs to and how it wants the character perceived by its readers.

A writer could write MM killing Superman with ease but it would never see print if the editor doesn't want it getting published.

Grant Morrison could do that, since he's one of DC's top writers and his incarnation of MM on JLA was very competent around Superman. Someone like Chuck Dixon could have problems getting that idea green lighted.

if tolkien says hobbits had blue skin, tha'ts it. they have blue skin.

Yes, but it's up to the writer to decide that. They can do anything they can think of. All it requires is for it to reach the printing stage.

 

[M.O.Steel]

Writers don't think collectively. Some have wildly different takes on characters. Some writers are more powerful in companies then others, too. So they'll get different ideas published easier then writers who aren't as powerful in the same company.

Editors also come into it. As does the character's worth to the company it belongs to and how it wants the character perceived by its readers.

A writer could write MM killing Superman with ease but it would never see print if the editor doesn't want it getting published.

Grant Morrison could do that, since he's one of DC's top writers and his incarnation of MM on JLA was very competent around Superman. Someone like Chuck Dixon could have problems getting that idea green lighted.

Yes, but it's up to the writer to decide that. They can do anything they can think of. All it requires is for it to reach the printing stage.

but the writer isn't the only one responsible for the character tho. the editor is there for a reason, not just as a fascist dictators who censor whatever they like. they have an investment in the character also, and most of the time, they were writers who worked their way up to the ladder. writer's can do whatever they want. they can make superman 10 feet tall, wear pink shoes, and make him a homicidal machine that goes on a killing spree. but the final product is the work of many, talented individuals.

just like a movie. the writers could have just made spiderman getting killed by GG, or leonidas a skinner ruthless leader that survives the end, but the final product is the culmination/collaboration of many different areas. the final product of a comic strip or a movie should be the only thing used as definitive. not what could happen.

like i mentioned earlier, if the character himself says he's less powerful than someone else, that's the end of it. and i'm not saying this because i'm a huge superman fan, because it is established that the flash is faster than superman. no matter what i say, that's the end of it. so unless one day the flash claims that superman beats him in a foot race everytime, flash is faster than superman.

 

[The Major]

but the writer isn't the only one responsible for the character tho.

No, they aren't.

But it can vary and there is far more corporate control on licensed titles then comics owned by the creator.

the editor is there for a reason, not just as a fascist dictators who censor whatever they like.

Depends on the editor.

Look up Jim Shooter.

they have an investment in the character also, and most of the time, they were writers who worked their way up to the ladder.

The furthur up the ladder the more power they have.

And even then some characters are kept under serious protection for editorial. Garth Ennis couldn't have Tommy Moynahan puke on Batman's shoes, for example. That had to be done off-panel.

You won''t see Superman snapping peoples necks like Wonder Woman did. I thought she did the right thing in that situation while her character is more likely to do that since she's a warrior but even so don't count on Kal-El doing anything similar. Why? Superman's image is a higher priority then WW's.

writer's can do whatever they want.

Up to a point.

It does depend on whether a company owns the character they're using and what limits they have on them.

they can make superman 10 feet tall, wear pink shoes, and make him a homicidal machine that goes on a killing spree.

Sure, only it won't get into print if the editor hates the idea.

but the final product is the work of many, talented individuals.

Of course.

just like a movie.

Yes.

the writers could have just made spiderman getting killed by GG, or leonidas a skinner ruthless leader that survives the end, but the final product is the culmination/collaboration of many different areas.

True.

the final product of a comic strip or a movie should be the only thing used as definitive.

Things can happen in both movies and comics which don't work with the universe the story is in.

not what could happen.

Doesn't mean they don't.

like i mentioned earlier, if the character himself says he's less powerful than someone else, that's the end of it.

Which can change depending on the writer. It's not unknown for characters to ignore their powers just so another character can beat them up or act out of character with no explanation for entire creative runs.

and i'm not saying this because i'm a huge superman fan, because it is established that the flash is faster than superman. no matter what i say, that's the end of it.

That's a constant thats stayed the same.

Unfortunately it doesn't always work like that.

Spider-man beat up a Galactus herald once. Green Arrow almost killed Black Canary with unarmed combat after she had become one of DC's premiere martial artists in Birds of Prey months earlier. Batgirl lost to Robin in a fight. Spider-man beat Iron Man by trapping him with webbing. The Black Tarantula's entire past and power level was altered significantly in a Daredevil annual. Deathstroke was able to successfully defeat a JLA with Wally West, Zantanna, Black Canary, and a Green Lantern at once in seconds then he survived a fight with two teams of Titans with dozens of veteran and powerful heroes years later.The Hulk got suffocated by a python.

so unless one day the flash claims that superman beats him in a foot race everytime, flash is faster than superman.

Nothing's written in stone. Some writers do have favorite characters which they make more powerful and some even depower others just so they can lose, whether it makes sense in a story or because they hate the character.

 

[gambitfire]

not to start up a major geek war but if green lantern studied all the elements in kryptonite he could create it with his ring...plus he can split atoms with it too

:gl: Most Deffinetley!

 

[Franklin Richards]

:gl: :gl: :gl:

 

[gambitfire]

Hal! my fav. GL. I think he should be the one in the JLA movie not Stewart or Rayner (no offense to any of their fans)

Sorry I'm off topic....

 

[M.O.Steel]

:gl: :gl: :gl:

you know, his powers still work, so if he wanted, he could turn around and cut GL's hand off with his laserbeam. but he's not a prick like every other JLA member that's trying to hurt him.

 

[Franklin Richards]

I seem to remember him being pretty much helpless around kryptonite. Kinda like he is here. And if Hal wanted to be a dick he would just open a wormhole under Superman and drop him in the middle of a red sun.


So come up with another excuse.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

 

[The Major]

you know, his powers still work, so if he wanted, he could turn around and cut GL's hand off with his laserbeam. but he's not a prick like every other JLA member that's trying to hurt him.

You're really underestimating Green Lanterns. They can do all Superman can and more.

 

[M.O.Steel]

I seem to remember him being pretty much helpless around kryptonite. Kinda like he is here. And if Hal wanted to be a dick he would just open a wormhole under Superman and drop him in the middle of a red sun.


So come up with another excuse.


:gl: :gl: :gl:

he is struggling, but he is not helpless. he can still use his heat vision.

 

[The Major]

he is struggling, but he is not helpless. he can still use his heat vision.

Heat vision won't do anything to a GL. They have automatic forcefields from their rings to protect them from attacks like that.

 

[M.O.Steel]

You're really underestimating Green Lanterns. They can do all Superman can and more.

i'm not. but i think superman-haters tend to not give him credit either. i love a good fight.