Joe Quesada out as Editor in Chief.

Yeah, that's another reason I don't think it'll be undone anytime soon, if at all. Beyond Quesada obviously backing it personally, a re-singled Peter has now been the norm for that nebulous period between too long to go back on it without making it a big deal and too short to want to rock the boat all over again.
 
JQ had the position of CCO for a while, it's not new news
Congratulations to AA, hope we'll see improvements from him, even if his work on the X books doesn't appeal to some
 
I don't really see how the comics affect those other merchandising ventures, though. Other media besides the comics are what merchandise usually comes from. Look at most of the toys or lunchboxes or whatever from the past ten years and what are you likely to see? The movie Spider-Man or Spectacular Spider-Man's Spider-Man. Look at the stuff from the decade before that and it's the '90s animated version. What goes on in the comics doesn't really help or hinder what goes on in other media because comic readers comprise such a miniscule part of the fanbase. In all three of those other media ventures I mentioned, Spider-Man was portrayed as younger and single, even though he was married and pushing 30 in the comics at the time. Right now we've got Ultimate Spider-Man in development which, once again, will feature a young, single Peter Parker. I don't claim to know a lot about the inner workings of Marvel as a business, but it certainly seems to me that a married Peter in the comics doesn't really make a whole lot of difference to the image of Spider-Man in other media and merchandising.

Marvel had at least one car ad on their back cover that featured Spider-Man webbing up Doc Ock on the top panel and doing food shopping as Peter Parker with a familiar looking red-headed woman in the bottom one, with art by Todd Nauck. The premise of the ad was that their car was good for both fun and responsibility. Car manufacturers are hardly shy about using married couples or families to sell cars, especially SUV's or larger cars.

So at the very least, there are some merchandising arms that still seem committed to the idea that Peter and MJ are married or "co-habitating".

Of course, one might argue that a Spider-Man who can be all things to all people - devoted married man or swinging bachelor - in terms of advertisements isn't such a bad thing for the bottom line.

Your point about sales of comics being the bottom line is key. If BND had been as colossal a sales failure as, say, the idea to given Daken WOLVERINE and shift Logan to WOLVERINE: WEAPON X, even Joe might have been tempted to reverse course. The fact that OMIT happened when it did was basically to provide a sales spike. To be honest, it is difficult to wage the sales of the Spider-Books pre-OMD. For at least 2 years before OMD, all three of Spidey's comics were in perpetual crossover with either themselves or CIVIL WAR. Which in itself said something. The reshuffle of the title to thrice monthly (now twice) sought to basically maintain that. Post-BND, sales on the collective ASM aren't anywhere near where they were in the 90's, but they've remained stable around 52k per weekly issue (or over 156k for the three combined; twice a month it should shift to 104k for both). Certain storylines can spike things for a month or so. BIG TIME's initial issue saw a sales spike as well. One could argue that the half million sales for "The Obama Issue" alone netted enough moolah to survive a few stumbles.

Also, it doesn't seem like any other editors or writers at Marvel are eager to turn back the clock on Spidey after over two years. It isn't like Tom Brevoort wasn't an editor at Marvel during "the married years" of ASM. Alonso was editor during JMS' entire run on the title, and JMS was the one who re-united Peter and MJ after Mackie had them split up when he departed (by sheer coincidence, Peter & MJ reconciled in time for 2002's "SPIDER-MAN" film). Dan Slott's been a regular writer on ASM since BND started, and I don't think he would have been promoted to solo if he was dead set on turning back the clock. The downside is that even 2+ years later, it is a wedge between fans and STILL a controversial topic. It could very well be Quesada's "Clone Saga".

I do wonder, though, if the X-Books will shake off the malaise they gained from M-Day at long last. While there may not be any compromise about a marriage to MJ, surely people can't be inflexible about more mutants, and about getting the central metaphor back into the franchise. I am at the point that I might have seriously considered trying Kieron Gillen's take on them, if the editorial direction right now as well as in the recent past wasn't so dire.
 
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Marvel had at least one car ad on their back cover that featured Spider-Man webbing up Doc Ock on the top panel and doing food shopping as Peter Parker with a familiar looking red-headed woman in the bottom one, with art by Todd Nauck. The premise of the ad was that their car was good for both fun and responsibility. Car manufacturers are hardly shy about using married couples or families to sell cars, especially SUV's or larger cars.

So at the very least, there are some merchandising arms that still seem committed to the idea that Peter and MJ are married or "co-habitating".

:funny: I noticed that too, and I thought the timing was so odd with what was going on in comics with MJ.

And you're right, OMD just created a needless wedge in Spidey fandom.
 
Yeah, but the higher-ups at Marvel ultimately don't really care so long as the comics sell. They played ball with the married Spider-Man because whenever they tried to undo it, sales dropped. It took Joe Q's personal stake in wanting to reclaim his childhood Spider-Man--the single guy with girl troubles on top of everything else--to commit to that change and figure out a way to limit the damage so that, even though sales dipped a bit, they were still acceptable enough to not reverse the change. If someone else wanted to undo it and they did it in such a way that sales stayed acceptable, I doubt any shareholders or corporate suits are gonna come in and go, "No, Spider-Man HAS to stay single!"

AFAIK sales have been pretty unambiguously dreadful, especially now that ASM is down to twice (actually, once) a month. I think it's more likely to be the case that Joe Quesada retains a position of authority for reasons other than the performance of ASM, and Joe Quesada will use his position of authority at Marvel to ensure the printing of his alternate fixfic universe no matter how low sales for it sink (obviously, with whatever amount of support from those other people at Marvel who embrace Quesada's fixfic universe, a group which may or may not include Alonso)
 
But the quality of the Spider-Man stories (whether you like them or not, whether you like/hate an unmarried Spider-Man or a married Spider-Man) are not affecting the sales.

The sales are being affected by Marvel's economic policies. The sales are affected by selling Amazing Spider-Man 3x a month (sometimes with a $3.99 price point) and all other Spider-Man books at a $3.99 price point. That is just asking way too much.
 
At least you're getting 30 pages of story for $3.99 instead of the regular 22 pages like the other books...
 
But the quality of the Spider-Man stories (whether you like them or not, whether you like/hate an unmarried Spider-Man or a married Spider-Man) are not affecting the sales.

The sales are being affected by Marvel's economic policies. The sales are affected by selling Amazing Spider-Man 3x a month (sometimes with a $3.99 price point) and all other Spider-Man books at a $3.99 price point. That is just asking way too much.
I'm not sure I see how, given that the Avengers franchise does the same thing--3 or more titles at $3.99 each per month--and it's doing quite well, for the most part. I mean, sure, Avengers Academy could use a few lot more readers each month, but the "proper" Avengers titles are all doing pretty well. I'm sure quality and the big wedge OMD drove into the fandom is having some effect on the sales. I can personally attest that some Spider-Man readers have still not picked up a single issue since OMD.
 
But the quality of the Spider-Man stories (whether you like them or not, whether you like/hate an unmarried Spider-Man or a married Spider-Man) are not affecting the sales.

The sales are being affected by Marvel's economic policies. The sales are affected by selling Amazing Spider-Man 3x a month (sometimes with a $3.99 price point) and all other Spider-Man books at a $3.99 price point. That is just asking way too much.

I didn't say anything in that post about the quality of the stories in Quesada's fixfic universe or the extent to which that or any other factor was causing ASM's poor sales performance.

All I'm saying is that for whatever reason, as far as I'm aware based on the numbers which are publicly available (it's certainly possible that Marvel has whichever massive alternate non-publicly-reported revenue stream for the comic) the comic's sales are poor, that Quesada is apparently still in a position of significant authority at Marvel regardless of ASM's sales being poor, and that the book will likely continue to be published in its current form regardless of whether its sales are poor.
 
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The sales are hardly what you could call poor. It's bounced around top 10-20 for almost the entirety of BND. And that's 3X a week! That's a looooot of comics sold. Certainly, when compared to JMS' run, when it frequently bounced around top 5-10, it looks disappointing. But keep in mind, the last year or two of JMS' run was almost entirely event-driven (Spidey in Avengers, The Other, Civil War, Unmasking, Iron Spidey, Back In Black) and all the sales spikes that came along with them. It's a wonder JMS was able to tell any stories at all during that period.

Considering they made such a dramatic and fundamental change to a flagship character, they must be doing backflips that it sells so well.
 
I'm not sure I see how, given that the Avengers franchise does the same thing--3 or more titles at $3.99 each per month--and it's doing quite well, for the most part. I mean, sure, Avengers Academy could use a few lot more readers each month, but the "proper" Avengers titles are all doing pretty well. I'm sure quality and the big wedge OMD drove into the fandom is having some effect on the sales. I can personally attest that some Spider-Man readers have still not picked up a single issue since OMD.

But at least with Avengers you are given different characters and different situations. With a Spider-Man book, you are just given the adventures of Spider-Man.

That and they sold the same title more than once a month, continuing story arcs and whatnot. Avengers on the other hand, the three books are three different books, give three different stories, and you don't have to buy all of them to complete the story, you just have to buy one title. If you want a complete story with Amazing Spider-Man, you have to buy it several times a month.
 
The sales are hardly what you could call poor. It's bounced around top 10-20 for almost the entirety of BND. And that's 3X a week! That's a looooot of comics sold. Certainly, when compared to JMS' run, when it frequently bounced around top 5-10, it looks disappointing. But keep in mind, the last year or two of JMS' run was almost entirely event-driven (Spidey in Avengers, The Other, Civil War, Unmasking, Iron Spidey, Back In Black) and all the sales spikes that came along with them. It's a wonder JMS was able to tell any stories at all during that period.

Considering they made such a dramatic and fundamental change to a flagship character, they must be doing backflips that it sells so well.

Sales of the core Amazing Spider-Man title are fine. That's not the problem. The problem is that selling Amazing Spider-Man several times a month has killed Spider-Man as a franchise. Anything that is not Amazing Spider-Man does not sell period. Just like how the overmilking of Deadpool has ruined Deadpool as a franchise to where only Deadpool and Deadpool MAX are selling.
 
You guys engage in way too much hyperbole. It hasn't killed anything. In a few years, I'm willing to bet you'll see Amazing once a month, and a companion title or two, that will sell around what PP and Web used to sell at. Frankly, I kinda hope they just stick with the one title for a while. I kind of like that Amazing is the only game in town.
 
They are NOTHING like the Rogues. Nope. Not even close.

If there was fear of retaliation, why did the Kingpin hire a hitman to go after Parker's family? In ASM #536, Spider-Man publically announces that he's switched sides... to Captain America's side, Luke Cage's side, Wolverine's side, Ben Grimm's side, DareDevil's side, the Punisher's side (some of the names you brought up in your little point up there)...

The "fear of retaliation" doesn't work as well in the MU as it does in the CDU...
And when did the Kingpin manage to get Aunt May? When he left the Avengers and went into hiding in a crappy motel, the least safe scenario possible. Not only that Aunt May was shot right after Captain America surrendered to Iron Man and was killed shortly then. The legally registered heroes couldn't help him because he was a fugitive (scratch off the Thing). Wolverine is off doing a bajillion things and being neutral. Daredevil was out of the country (scratch him off). The Punisher was kicked out of the Secret Avengers and overall isn't close to Spider-Man (scratch him off). And the remaining Secret Avengers were busy scrambling going off into hiding because they just got defeated and didn't want to go to jail nor did they want to register (scratch off Luke Cage).

If Spider-Man did not defect and did not go to a horrible hiding spot, Aunt May would have never been shot and the Kingpin most likely wouldn't have gone after him.
 
You guys engage in way too much hyperbole. It hasn't killed anything. In a few years, I'm willing to bet you'll see Amazing once a month, and a companion title or two, that will sell around what PP and Web used to sell at. Frankly, I kinda hope they just stick with the one title for a while. I kind of like that Amazing is the only game in town.

I think that if they had Amazing Spider-Man go back to once a month and then created a new Spider-Man book with a high profile writer, it would manage to create respectable sales.
 
I think that if they had Amazing Spider-Man go back to once a month and then created a new Spider-Man book with a high profile writer, it would manage to create respectable sales.

It would have to be some BIG writer... because traditionally, sales for ASM have always been better than any sister titles...
 
What about Joe Kelly or Mark Waid? They've both worked on ASM recently and they're both great writers.
 
I never liked any of Joe Kelly's stuff. The next guy that should get a sole writer gig for Spider-Man is Van Lente, no if's and's or but's about it.
 
I never read his Spider-Man stuff but I've loved pretty much everything else he's ever written.
 
FINALLY! Best news so far of the new year!
 
Did you read the article? He's still there and he's still the boss. He's just the boss of more stuff now.
 
Did you read the article? He's still there and he's still the boss. He's just the boss of more stuff now.

I don't think that's accurate. Isn't the CCO job meant to focus more on other mediums leaving Alonso to take care of the actual books. It sounds like Joe will have less influence on the day to day meaning that there could be some change coming, most likely small stuff but still something.
 
I'm pretty sure the CCO job means the buck on all creative decisions stops with him. So yes, Alonso will handle the day-to-day EIC duties, but Joe Q is still his boss. If Joe takes issue with something, Alonso gets to send it back down to the creators with a "boss-man doesn't like this, change it" Post-It attached. That's how I understand the titles, at any rate.
 
So very true Corp. There were plenty of times in the past where a high level exec that had nothing to do with day to day ops ordered a change of some sort and the EiC had no choice but to carry out orders that he didn't agree with.

That's pretty much how Spider-Man ended up married in the first place. Stan Lee was doing it in the newspaper strip and guys upstairs wanted the comic book to reflect the change also.
 
Hopefully at very least they'll be less OMD/OMIT things happening with Quesada in a more supervisory position.
 

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