Julius Caesar

[Speedball]

I don't really see the resistance killing Stark. Registration members seem more likely to use deadly force over Captain America's group. And since Cap doesn't like killing, I don't see it happening. And most people are against Registration for the most part it seems. Many seem to like it, and many don't.

The only way I see them being made into villans is if they ambush Stark and publically executes him. Key emphasis on execute.

I'm not talking about the resistance. I'm talking about those who support Stark. Watch him become very power hungry in the next few months.

 

[Speedball]

Okay, SBL, stop watching Rome on HBO and pay full attention to this thread! I think you're taking the analogy at the end of Frontline too literally. None of what you're saying jives with the way the characters behave. Tony isn't going around doing what he set out to do, he's doing what the people of the USofA decided they wanted. He's just following the new law. I don't endorse, I'm anti-SHRA, but seeing it from a "normal persons" POV I can understand how they would want it passed and enforced.

My delicious Mistress Gluon, the SHRA applies to all SH's regardless if they want to be heroes or not; at least the registration does as evidenced in the CW #2 summary in the first page. And though I agree with your assesment that the SHRA forces appear to offer some kind of "standown speech" to dissenters we don't know how the Young Avengers part got started so I reserve judgement on if they're going by the book or acting like stormtroopers.

I've never seen an episode of Rome. I don't even have HBO
I know this because my major is history. mainly Greek and Roman history.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Okay, SBL, stop watching Rome on HBO and pay full attention to this thread! I think you're taking the analogy at the end of Frontline too literally. None of what you're saying jives with the way the characters behave. Tony isn't going around doing what he set out to do, he's doing what the people of the USofA decided they wanted. He's just following the new law. I don't endorse, I'm anti-SHRA, but seeing it from a "normal persons" POV I can understand how they would want it passed and enforced.

My delicious Mistress Gluon, the SHRA applies to all SH's regardless if they want to be heroes or not; at least the registration does as evidenced in the CW #2 summary in the first page. And though I agree with your assesment that the SHRA forces appear to offer some kind of "standown speech" to dissenters we don't know how the Young Avengers part got started so I reserve judgement on if they're going by the book or acting like stormtroopers.

My equally as delicious Tropico, they only seem to apply to active super beings (because they're going to go after super villans too, I hope. x.x). I don't really see them tracking down someone inactive since they obviously seem to have no desire to use their powers for a job or otherwise, and chances are they'd have to prove SHIELD is spying on everybody illegally to find them. Since that would also extend into Mutant Registration. Though, that could be one goal in the long run. The Registration seems to be more of a "job" sort of thing. You want to be a hero, you register, get paid, train and all that sort. If you don't want to use your powers at all, don't use them, lest the almighty fury of Stark find ye. But they still MIGHT go after inactive ones, and put them on a list to be ready for activation like a military reserves. Who knows.

With Young Avengers, I'm pretty convinced Patriot started it, just seems like he did, and dragged his team into it. But since they didn't show anything, I'll also reserve judgement.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I'm not talking about the resistance. I'm talking about those who support Stark. Watch him become very power hungry in the next few months.

The next step for him is to actually take OVER America. He's pretty much in the highest seat of power he can get into at the moment. And I think Reed won't be going on any vendetta. And Pym is a pushover.

 

[Tropico]

Ok, so I FINALLY got CW#2 and read it. I'll start off with the re-cap in the first page since it's the OFFICIAL version and to clarify a few things that people just don't seem to WANT to understand:
"On Capitol Hill, a SHRA is debated which would require ALL THOSE POSESSING PARANORMAL ABILITIES to register with the government, divulging their true identities to the authorities and submitting to training and sanctioning in the manner of FEDERAL AGENTS." OF course, Tony sells it differently and people believe it.

From another thread. Of course, the way Marvel has been lately it's very possible that it says almost the opposite on CW#3.

 

[Speedball]

The next step for him is to actually take OVER America. He's pretty much in the highest seat of power he can get into at the moment. And I think Reed won't be going on any vendetta. And Pym is a pushover.

That is exactly what i'm talking about.
Stark will take over, and people will like it.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

From another thread. Of course, the way Marvel has been lately it's very possible that it says almost the opposite on CW#3.

You said it's debated, not passed into true law.

But yeah, still.

Though they just want to reach an agreement with Strange.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

That is exactly what i'm talking about.
Stark will take over, and people will like it.

Not to be all rude. But people in the MU may not be the smartest things running around, but they're not THAT dumb. And Tony isn't THAT power hungry.

 

[Speedball]

but he could say he is relieving the president of his duties because he is only trying to protect the citizens of the U.S.
I'm not saying that the heroes who follow him will like it.
He is going beyond what he set out to do.
They didn't want to overthrow the govt, only protect it.
Oh, nvm.
just watch me be right in some sense though.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

but he could say he is relieving the president of his duties because he is only trying to protect the citizens of the U.S.
I'm not saying that the heroes who follow him will like it.
He is going beyond what he set out to do.
They didn't want to overthrow the govt, only protect it.
Oh, nvm.
just watch me be right in some sense though.

He can't just do that. There's no legal precident for it. That would be forcefully taking over the government. And that would be self defeating to the whole idea of Civil War.

The heros following him would IMMEDIATELY turn on him right there most likely. And he hasn't really violated any parameters that he's set out to do so far.

 

[Tropico]

You said it's debated, not passed into true law.

But yeah, still.

Though they just want to reach an agreement with Strange.

Marvel said it's debated but that was just the recap, after that first page we find out that it's already law. I get what you're saying. It doesn't make sense to have that large an amount of federal employees without impacting the rest of the workforce (or whatever other reasons you had in mind). To me it makes sense that they would want everybody registered since then they can be prepared for any eventuality; it doesn't matter if it's a power flare up from one of the "inactives" to one of them going rogue. They'll be ready to act accordingly and efficiently since they don't have to deal with any surprises and go through the death of so many people like with the Xorneto/Composite/whateverthehellhisname was. Unfortunately the mutants are as good as registered thanks to the whole 198 crap! Eventually I hope that Sage or kitty or both of them have made a logic bomb that'll screw up the govt's files on them.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Marvel said it's debated but that was just the recap, after that first page we find out that it's already law. I get what you're saying. It doesn't make sense to have that large an amount of federal employees without impacting the rest of the workforce (or whatever other reasons you had in mind). To me it makes sense that they would want everybody registered since then they can be prepared for any eventuality; it doesn't matter if it's a power flare up from one of the "inactives" to one of them going rogue. They'll be ready to act accordingly and efficiently since they don't have to deal with any surprises and go through the death of so many people like with the Xorneto/Composite/whateverthehellhisname was. Unfortunately the mutants are as good as registered thanks to the whole 198 crap! Eventually I hope that Sage or kitty or both of them have made a logic bomb that'll screw up the govt's files on them.

Agreed. It makes sense to register everybody, but they don't really seem to be making that move. I really wish they would just get it over with and just start mailing bench warrants to all the superhumans. And then they have reasons to invade homes with force when they don't comply.

 

[Speedball]

Ah, but Caesar did it illegally as well. When Caesar fought Pompey, it was the Roman Civil War, so no, it is not necessarily defeating the purpose. Most were behind Caesar and his return to Rome, others, like the Senate and Pompey saw him as a threat.
they told him to stop at the Rubicon, and the rest is history.
Caesar won, He declared himself Dictator not long after. He left to go get Pompey, succeeded, then returned in 44 B.C. The senate called him to the Senate building to give his power back to the senate.
And the Senate did turn on him before he declared himself emperor, on the Ides Of March.

 

[Tropico]

You're just posting this stuff so you won't forget for an exam you have tomorrow, don't ya?

 

[Speedball]

no. I'm posting this stuff because it seems like marvel is making history repeat itself.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Ah, but Caesar did it illegally as well. When Caesar fought Pompey, it was the Roman Civil War, so no, it is not necessarily defeating the purpose. Most were behind Caesar and his return to Rome, others, like the Senate and Pompey saw him as a threat.
they told him to stop at the Rubicon, and the rest is history.
Caesar won, He declared himself Dictator not long after. He left to go get Pompey, succeeded, then returned in 44 B.C. The senate called him to the Senate building to give his power back to the senate.
And the Senate did turn on him before he declared himself emperor, on the Ides Of March.

Tropico had a point when he said you were taking this comparison a BIT too seriously. The American people aren't strong soldiers like the citizens of Rome were conditioned to be. Americans for the most part don't fall in line behind orders. They're self conflicting. Where the Romans of old were far more conditioned for military structure. And since Ceasar was far more illuminated as a great military leader, it only makes sense people followed him. Especially when they didn't truly agree with their government.

And it IS defeating the purpose. The point of SHRA was to place faith in the public that the meta population can be controlled. Not that the meta population would dominate them with a soulless iron fist. No pun intended.

And just to boot, the world doesn't work like it did back then. What might have worked centuries in the past, doesn't operate in the same way.

Remember Thor? LOTS of people thought what he was doing was right. But there were still millions against it, and dozens willing to commit suicide to stop him for sure. At least one priest was. And all he claimed to be doing was making the world a safer place, even though it was kind of obvious he was just taking it over.

 

[Speedball]

oh well, i'm done, you think what you wanna think, i'll think what you wanna think.

 

[Tropico]

Look, Iron Man is one of the people that has to be registered. He even flat out confessed that he had lied to the people before and that he had been dishonest. Sure, it's expected for a politician to be dishonest; but I doubt that he has the people's trust to do so. I don't think he'll try a coup either. If he does it's gonna be a whole big mess and then Dr.Doom is gonna get all angry and say "How dare he!! Only Doom is supposed to make a coup on the American govt." And then there will be childish fights about whose armor is better and who's had more tail and who's more fit to govern....do you really want that? C'mon!!!!!

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

oh well, i'm done, you think what you wanna think, i'll think what you wanna think.

Then I want you to think in the terms of Snack Pak Chocolate Pudding, because I'd kill for some right now.

*Points to Tropico.* And you, sir, are next.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Look, Iron Man is one of the people that has to be registered. He even flat out confessed that he had lied to the people before and that he had been dishonest. Sure, it's expected for a politician to be dishonest; but I doubt that he has the people's trust to do so. I don't think he'll try a coup either. If he does it's gonna be a whole big mess and then Dr.Doom is gonna get all angry and say "How dare he!! Only Doom is supposed to make a coup on the American govt." And then there will be childish fights about whose armor is better and who's had more tail and who's more fit to govern....do you really want that? C'mon!!!!!

I'm sure you wouldn't be suprised if I said I wanted it to boil down to a slap fight.

 

[Tropico]

*Points to Tropico.* And you, sir, are next.

[Austin Powers]YEAH, BABY!![/AUSTIN POWERS]
DDD

 

[Speedball]

lol, i wrote the wrong thing!
I meant to say i'll think what I want to think

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

lol, i wrote the wrong thing!
I meant to say i'll think what I want to think

You are far too late. I demand my craving satiated!!

 

[Tropico]

I'm sure you wouldn't be suprised if I said I wanted it to boil down to a slap fight.

No, I wouldn't. But this isn't Queer Eye for the Armored Guy, so forget limp wrist mock fights!!!! Besides, Tony's stramlined ergonomically shaped hands have nothing on Doom's intimidating mitts. Those things look like they hurt!!!




Not that you'd mind.

 

[Speedball]

do you want just normal chocolate pudding?
or the kind with Vanilla on the bottom?