Jurassic Park Apparently Possible

[Arc-Light]

Canadian geese don't stare. They run at you, foaming at the beak and hissing

And that is when you pretend you are at the 35 yard line with 3 seconds left and you kick it for the game winning field goal like i did when one bat crazy goose was attacking my 3 year old niece.

 

[SuperFerret]

See that's the problem with the people. They take Hollywood more serious than the actual science... we need to understand it to make it a better place. It not just like... "Hey let's cure cancer today... or hey let's make a better renewable energy source today." You need know how the environment and the universe behave before you can do the applications. That's why we have people in the industries that do the practical stuff for today... and we have the scientists that do the stuff today that will only be useful tomorrow. So people need to stop using these ridiculous arguments that knowledge will eventually lead to the destruction of mankind... . It's that knowledge that has produced the world we live in today...

I never said that knowledge will end the world, and I understand that some knowledge has led to beneficial applications. But as Carcharodon said:

Science isn't just about serving essential needs. Hell, that's a side effect in most cases. It's about trying to understand the world (and universe) around us.

THAT is the attitude that causes me to have a problem with scientists, as I've run into it before. Knowledge for knowledge's sake is useless, and unless finding practical applications for that knowledge is the motivation for seeking it, I'll have a problem with it.

I'm going to be terribly popular with the scientific community when I join it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I never said that knowledge will end the world, and I understand that some knowledge has led to beneficial applications. But as Carcharodon said:


THAT is the attitude that causes me to have a problem with scientists, as I've run into it before. Knowledge for knowledge's sake is useless, and unless finding practical applications for that knowledge is the motivation for seeking it, I'll have a problem with it.

I'm going to be terribly popular with the scientific community when I join it.

... how about knowledge you don't understand is useless... 99.9 % of the time there is a practical application. You don't see that application. Many times there is only a handful of scientists that see something... and the application is only found years later... this is how mankind progresses.

 

[SuperFerret]

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... how about knowledge you don't understand is useless... 99.9 % of the time there is a practical application. You don't see that application. Many times there is only a handful of scientists that see something... and the application is only found years later... this is how mankind progresses.

Fine. That's great, but from what I've seen, that quote from Carcharodon is accurate. Applications tend to be more of a side-effect of study than an intended product of it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Fine. That's great, but from what I've seen, that quote from Carcharodon is accurate. Applications tend to be more of a side-effect of study than an intended product of it.

A side affect that has given you the health benefits and the technology you have today... believe me... that is 100% fact.

 

[SuperFerret]

A side affect that has given you the health benefits and the technology you have today... believe me... that is 100% fact.

I agree, but I find it just a little disturbing that the scientists performing those studies may not have been intending to do anything but discover something new. All I'm saying is that I personally feel that finding applications is more important than the knowledge itself. Am I saying something so terrible there?

 

[Carcharodon]

THAT is the attitude that causes me to have a problem with scientists, as I've run into it before. Knowledge for knowledge's sake is useless, and unless finding practical applications for that knowledge is the motivation for seeking it, I'll have a problem with it.

I'm going to be terribly popular with the scientific community when I join it.

Nobody's saying that science shouldn't have a goal. I'm saying that just because you don't see the applications doesn't mean they're not there.

Why do we study evolution?

 

[SuperFerret]

Nobody's saying that science shouldn't have a goal. I'm saying that just because you don't see the applications doesn't mean they're not there.

Why do we study evolution?

I'm not saying that the applications aren't there, but I'll bite, why do we study evolution?

 

[Carcharodon]

I'm not saying that the applications aren't there, but I'll bite, why do we study evolution?

It was kind of meant as a rhetorical question. The point was that the applications may not be very apparent at all, if they even exist.

From your standpoint, it should seem like a pointless endeavor.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I agree, but I find it just a little disturbing that the scientists performing those studies may not have been intending to do anything but discover something new. All I'm saying is that I personally feel that finding applications is more important than the knowledge itself. Am I saying something so terrible there?

Bull ****... where is the funding coming from then? There are specific disciplines... specific goals... of any laboratory. There is always a hypothesis being tested... of course that isn't ALWAYS the case. Sometimes it's lets just see what happens if we put this, this, and this together... but you know... that's the only way you can take the next step in solving a problem. It isn't always the best approach... but it can be useful. If you understand what you are doing. Give the people that have been studying the phenomena for years the benefit of the doubt. Too much to ask for there? As far as the application... we always need people that are going to apply the science for today... but it's only more important for today... not tomorrow.

 

[SuperFerret]

It may very well be a pointless endeavor, after all when a hyena eats a meerkat, does it matter how closely related they are? But, somewhere down the line it may bear fruit.

Look, I know I come off as ignorant when it comes to this, but I know many people in science and academia that are just so out of touch with reality, that it kind of tints my view.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Look, I know I come off as ignorant when it comes to this, but I know many people in science and academia that are just so out of touch with reality, that it kind of tints my view.

I don't think they have the positions they have unless they are very in touch with reality... or simply too brilliant to be cast aside.

 

[SuperFerret]

I don't think they have the positions they have unless they are very in touch with reality... or simply too brilliant to be cast aside.

All some seem to know are their theories and books, and they're VERY closed minded. This a very small minority though, the rest are just overly condescending and smug.

 

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[SuperFerret]

The chicken evolved into an oven.

 

[Carcharodon]

It may very well be a pointless endeavor, after all when a hyena eats a meerkat, does it matter how closely related they are? But, somewhere down the line it may bear fruit.

Look, I know I come off as ignorant when it comes to this, but I know many people in science and academia that are just so out of touch with reality, that it kind of tints my view.

I do hear what you're saying. I also don't mean to try to force you into some corner or anything. I love discussing this stuff.

I was just saying the other day that I'd like to either take or eventually teach a Philosophy of Science course. It'd be badass. This is the kind of **** we'd talk about.

 

[FaT_tONle]

All some seem to know are their theories and books, and they're VERY closed minded. This a very small minority though, the rest are just overly condescending and smug.

That may be the case... but we need those people to teach now do we not? Again... there is a place for everybody... no one is going to be so enamored with their science professors that they are going to strive to be in exactly like them later on in life... bad attitude and all. If students get into those disciplines... it will be because they like the material. Again, let people find their roles... and be the best at it. More often than not if you have a question a scientist will explain the answer best he can rather than tell you to **** off. That's what they do... they explain things.

 

[SuperFerret]

I do hear what you're saying. I also don't mean to try to force you into some corner or anything. I love discussing this stuff.

I was just saying the other day that I'd like to either take or eventually teach a Philosophy of Science course. It'd be badass. This is the kind of **** we'd talk about.

Eh, you didn't force me into a corner, I just get a little out of hand with this stuff. Maybe it's ironic, but I'd take a Philosophy of Science class, it sounds like a good class, and definitely prime ground for a good debate.

That may be the case... but we need those people to teach now do we not? Again... there is a place for everybody... no one is going to be so enamored with their science professors that they are going to strive to be in exactly like them later on in life... attitude and all. If they get into those disciplines... it will be because they like the material. Again, let people find their roles... and be the best at it.

That's what I plan on doing. Like I've said, I'm not a big fan of theory, so I hope to be in the field, on the ground and studying animals first hand. My dream is to host a nature show, kinda like Steve Irwin, and educate the public about animals that way.

 

[chaseter]

This is what will happen:

 

[SuperFerret]

This is what will happen:

I had that yellow-green one.