Jurassic World - Part 6

[terry78]

It's pretty much a safe bet that either some of those raptors are gonna die protecting Pratt or they may just go feral and he may be forced to put a couple of them down.

 

[Iceman]

The raptor squad is still a bit of a crazy idea. Wonder if they'll pull it off.

 

[DarkKnight88]

Not at all, it actually makes it and them more terrifying. Because they can be trained but not tamed. They're still wild animals just like any animals in real life captivity that are trained. And when they turn on their trainers, that is terrifying. So I strongly disagree with your statement that it takes away the terror.

We'll see how it plays out in the movie but there's nothing scary about seeing them running alongside Chris Pratt's motorcycle. The danger of them is lessened.

Granted, they haven't been "scary" since the second film had a 12 year old girl kick one through a window.

 

[Broseph44]

We'll see how it plays out in the movie but there's nothing scary about seeing them running alongside Chris Pratt's motorcycle. The danger of them is lessened.

Granted, they haven't been "scary" since the second film had a 12 year old girl kick one through a window.

There's nothing scary to you about these animals who are being trained at any second turning on said trainer? Think of the scenarios in real life, like when an Orcs turns on its trainer and the attacks and tragedies that have occurred in zoos and aquariums. I dunno seems pretty freakin scary to me.

 

[terry78]

I think they problem is that people are used to these things being treated as movie monsters when they're not. Why would someone not try to domesticate these things if they were actually running around?

 

[BattleCat]

There's nothing scary to you about these animals who are being trained at any second turning on said trainer? Think of the scenarios in real life, like when an Orcs turns on its trainer and the attacks and tragedies that have occurred in zoos and aquariums. I dunno seems pretty freakin scary to me.

No, not really. If you go to sea world and watch shamoo, are you scared? The audience with cotton candy and camera's in hand implies no. I just wish the raptors were scary beasts like in the original.

 

[BattleCat]

I hope the raptors aren't turned into a joke. What made the first film so great is how terrified you'd be to be even close to their cage. Having them "trainable" takes away the terror a bit.

You ain't lying.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I think they problem is that people are used to these things being treated as movie monsters when they're not. Why would someone not try to domesticate these things if they were actually running around?

While it would certainly diminish them on the Scaremeter, I find it plausible that raptors could be tamed and eventually domesticated given their high intelligence and pack instincts. Especially in these films they are very 'wolf-like' in their behavior and humans domesticated them long before we even had agriculture (and there is some limited evidence that the process may have started even before we as Homo sapiens sapiens existed).

 

[Micromind]

I hope the raptors aren't turned into a joke. What made the first film so great is how terrified you'd be to be even close to their cage. Having them "trainable" takes away the terror a bit.

I don't think so, Raptors are stars in JP movies, no way they will turn them into a joke.

 

[Spitfire]

While it would certainly diminish them on the Scaremeter, I find it plausible that raptors could be tamed and eventually domesticated given their high intelligence and pack instincts. Especially in these films they are very 'wolf-like' in their behavior and humans domesticated them long before we even had agriculture (and there is some limited evidence that the process may have started even before we as Homo sapiens sapiens existed).

If the raptors are part of a scientific programme seeking to breed a more passive/domesticated dinosaur then it could be interesting to see this go wrong. The first movie focused on the arrogance of science (which seems to be the theme of this movie as well) and seeing the raptors natural instincts return when the right opportunity presents itself would be great.

 

[SuperT]

I hope the raptors aren't turned into a joke. What made the first film so great is how terrified you'd be to be even close to their cage. Having them "trainable" takes away the terror a bit.

Lions, tigers, orcas and bears are "trainable" and that certainly doesn't take away from the terror or unpredictability of being around those animals as a trainer. Don't see how Raptors being trainable diminishes their threat level, they're still wild animals.

 

[Snikt]

I don't believe the filmmakers are going for "scary" Raptors in this film. The Raptors running alongside Pratt on his motorcycle aren't meant to be scary.

The word that came to mind when I saw it: Badass.

I know some don't share that opinion. But it seems they're trying to give us something new with these Raptors. They were basically the same in I & II. In JPIII, they at least furthered the idea of their communication skills and their intelligence.

It's time for something new. They can't always be the bad guy or big baddie at the end of the film.

Maybe we have Terminator situation here. T1, Arnie's the bad guy. T2, we get him again as an awesome hero.

 

[Broseph44]

Lions, tigers, orcas and bears are "trainable" and that certainly doesn't take away from the terror or unpredictability of being around those animals as a trainer. Don't see how Raptors being trainable diminishes their threat level, they're still wild animals.

Thank you, exactly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Lions, tigers, orcas and bears are "trainable" and that certainly doesn't take away from the terror or unpredictability of being around those animals as a trainer. Don't see how Raptors being trainable diminishes their threat level, they're still wild animals.

I read this as orcs. It was much better that way.

 

[Hypestyle]

More on Omar Sy's role in the film-- Mild Spoilers---


http://www.jurassicworld.org/index.php?id=256#comments

 

[DarkKnight88]

Lions, tigers, orcas and bears are "trainable" and that certainly doesn't take away from the terror or unpredictability of being around those animals as a trainer. Don't see how Raptors being trainable diminishes their threat level, they're still wild animals.

Yes it does. When I see a lion at the zoo, I don't feel a threat as long as they're behind the cage. I feel threat if I was loose with them in the wild. But as soon as a lion jumps through a hoop at a circus, the threat is lessened. It's all context.

Again, I'll wait to see how it's played in the movie but it just seems they're not going for "scary" raptors like the first film. And that's fine. But it does lessen their mystique a bit. Makes Jaws trainable and the shark ain't so scary anyway see Deep Blue Sea.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes it does. When I see a lion at the zoo, I don't feel a threat as long as they're behind the cage. I feel threat if I was loose with them in the wild. But as soon as a lion jumps through a hoop at a circus, the threat is lessened. It's all context.

Again, I'll wait to see how it's played in the movie but it just seems they're not going for "scary" raptors like the first film. And that's fine. But it does lessen their mystique a bit. Makes Jaws trainable and the shark ain't so scary anyway see Deep Blue Sea.

And what happens when that lion isn't behind the cage anymore? Exactly. The entire point is the false sense of security.

 

[Iceman]

I wonder if a T Rex is trainable. t:

Would love to see it jumping through hoops, juggling, riding a unicycle while wearing a clown outfit.

 

[Broseph44]

And what happens when that lion isn't behind the cage anymore? Exactly. The entire point is the false sense of security.

Exactly, this is the point I was trying to make but I don't think a couple people are grasping it. But whatever.

 

[Silvermoon]

Like others have said (and like I think I've said before), there are many predators that are trainable but that does not mean that they've necessarily been tamed (let alone domesticated).

A large majority of the animals at a zoo, for example, are trained to a degree to make certain aspects of their care easier on them and on those caring for them (i.e. training them to do a certain 'task' or behavior to assist with regular vet. examinations). That does not mean that their handlers don't have to remain cautious, that just anyone can walk into their pen and expect them to be nice and friendly, or that there isn't a risk of something going terribly wrong. If the handler makes a wrong move, if a stranger/someone they're not familiar with enters their enclosure, or heck - if the animal is just flat out in a bad mood, bad things can happen (and have happened).

The raptors being trained (to a degree) does not bother me nor do I think it decreases their threat. In fact, I think in some ways it increases their threat.

Just my view.

 

[Broseph44]

Like others have said (and like I think I've said before), there are many predators that are trainable but that does not mean that they've necessarily been tamed (let alone domesticated).

A large majority of the animals at a zoo, for example, are trained to a degree to make certain aspects of their care easier on them and on those caring for them (i.e. training them to do a certain 'task' or behavior to assist with regular vet. examinations). That does not mean that their handlers don't have to remain cautious, that just anyone can walk into their pen and expect them to be nice and friendly, or that there isn't a risk of something going terribly wrong. If the handler makes a wrong move, if a stranger/someone they're not familiar with enters their enclosure, or heck - if the animal is just flat out in a bad mood, bad things can happen (and have happened).

The raptors being trained (to a degree) does not bother me nor do I think it decreases their threat. In fact, I think in some ways it increases their threat.

Just my view.

And once again thank you, another person that gets it haha. Wel said exactly what I've been saying.

 

[Octoberist]

It's kinda strange how some people can't 'grasp' it, citing that it'll water down the terror or ruins the integrity of Crithon's work. Silly.

 

[Broseph44]

It's kinda strange how some people can't 'grasp' it, citing that it'll water down the terror or ruins the integrity of Crithon's work. Silly.

Yepppppp. Oh well apparently there's no explaining to them. They don't get it haha.

 

[DKDetective]

And once again thank you, another person that gets it haha. Wel said exactly what I've been saying.

The argument about trainable raptors has been repeated ad nauseam at this point in the thread. Nothing is new is being said so people should just move on already. Nothing new is being added and we haven't received enough new material or information to re-visit the debate in any meaningful way.

 

[Octoberist]

More or less, it's about giving the movie a chance. Yeah, it's hitting the block wall right now, conversation wise.