Jurassic World - Part 6

[Tacit Ronin]

I preferred the close up of Anne Hathaway's ass in Rises.

 

[I Am The Knight]

You mean her ass double's ass.

 

[Guts]

Man, people get really defensive whenever anybody dares suggest that the gender dynamics of something are problematic. This thread is hilarious though "There's nothing sexist about this clip! What the hell does Whedon know about anything anyway, he's a terrible feminist! How arrogant, to share an opinion on something he cares about!"



There are no close ups of Johansson's ass in the Avengers...

The Loki Interrogation scene.

Hardly a close up. Transformers 3 has a long close up of an ass. The interrogation scene, by contrast, is just placing the camera behind her. Not to mention, the quoted post suggested that there were huge amounts of that stuff, which is patently untrue.

It wasn't focused on her ass, but I thought her fight scene at the beginning of the movie was a little suggestive.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Man, people get really defensive whenever anybody dares suggest that the gender dynamics of something are problematic. This thread is hilarious though "There's nothing sexist about this clip! What the hell does Whedon know about anything anyway, he's a terrible feminist! How arrogant, to share an opinion on something he cares about!"

Isn't that how it works? It's not enough to disagree with someone's opinion on something. You also have to try and invalidate their opinion by attacking their professional work and use straw man arguments.

 

[TX85]

That clip made me a bit sad but I'm still confident this will be the best Jurrassic movie since the original. hopefully I'm right!

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I complain about sexism as well as racism in cinema quite a bit so no my reaction has nothing to do with disagreeing that the scene was lazy and sexist because it damn well was. I still think it looks bad for Whedon to trash the clip because of the position that he is in.

Now he can continue to do his thing where he publicly criticizes other director's work and insinuate that if he had made whichever classic film then it would be perfect or whatever and I'll continue to call him a talented but tacky man.

 

[Lorus]

I complain about sexism as well as racism in cinema quite a bit so no my reaction has nothing to do with disagreeing that the scene was lazy and sexist because it damn well was. I still think it looks bad for Whedon to trash the clip because of the position that he is in.

Now he can continue to do his thing where he publicly criticizes other director's work and insinuate that if he had made whichever classic film then it would be perfect or whatever and I'll continue to call him a talented but tacky man.

When has he insinuated that he could turn a classic film into a perfect one? He has opinions about films like everyone here, it's just that whenever he states them, fanboys flip their s**t and overreact. He says he loves ESB but doesn't like the ending that much because it goes against his philosophy on films and suddenly he's public enemy number one.

In regards to that tweet, all he did was call a spade a spade. He didn't say the film was sexist or Trevorrow was sexist, just the clip. I guess I don't agree with the notion that if you direct a big film you can't pass any judgement on any other film.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have nothing against promoting equality, but I also regret how touchy and sensitive our society has become when it comes to media.

 

[Iceman]

When has he insinuated that he could turn a classic film into a perfect one? He has opinions about films like everyone here, it's just that whenever he states them, fanboys flip their s**t and overreact. He says he loves ESB but doesn't like the ending that much because it goes against his philosophy on films and suddenly he's public enemy number one.

In regards to that tweet, all he did was call a spade a spade. He didn't say the film was sexist or Trevorrow was sexist, just the clip. I guess I don't agree with the notion that if you direct a big film you can't pass any judgement on any other film.

There was nothing wrong with the ESB comment. Most people can understand his point there even if ESB is their favourite film. The dumb part was using the Indy shooting joke as an example (which he also acknowledged had been a bad example). And he's not public enemy number one, there isn't really much of an overreaction. Most are still very hyped for his next film and remain fans of him.

He can pass judgement of course, but it's unprofessional coming from a director as it's essentially bigging himself up and saying his work would be superior to the other guy in the same situation. He has what is known as a conflict of interest being in the same profession as the guy he's criticising. Imagine a builder speaking on their twitter profile and saying their competitor does a bad job of putting up houses in the area.

 

[Lorus]

I have nothing against promoting equality, but I also regret how touchy and sensitive our society has become when it comes to media.

Personally, I think we have a long way to go in terms of achieving equality and representation and feel that a little empathy in these matters harms nobody. I'd much rather have the media occasionally overreact to something than have nobody bring these criticisms up at all out of fear of being called PC or whatever or having these criticisms dismissed due to nebulous claims of context or intentions or whatever. (I'm not saying that you personally are advocating that, just contributing to the conversation).

There was nothing wrong with the ESB comment. Most people can understand his point there even if ESB is their favourite film. The dumb part was using the Indy shooting joke as an example (which he also acknowledged had been a bad example). And he's not public enemy number one, there isn't really much of an overreaction. Most are still very hyped for his next film and remain fans of him.

He can pass judgement of course, but it's unprofessional coming from a director as it's essentially bigging himself up and saying his work would be superior to the other guy in the same situation. He has what is known as a conflict of interest being in the same profession as the guy he's criticising. Imagine a builder speaking on their twitter profile and saying their competitor does a bad job of putting up houses in the area.

I don't think it's particularly unprofessional. Directors know that when they put work out into the world that they leave themselves open to criticism, that's just the way it works. Sexism is the kind of thing that Whedon really sees as a pervasive problem in society and as such, I think it's only right he draw attention to it when he feels necessary. In regards to the builder example, if you thought your competitor was building structurally dangerous buildings, why wouldn't you say so? Criticism doesn't mean that you're patting yourself on the back, I don't understand why people make that assumption.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I complain about sexism as well as racism in cinema quite a bit so no my reaction has nothing to do with disagreeing that the scene was lazy and sexist because it damn well was. I still think it looks bad for Whedon to trash the clip because of the position that he is in.

Now he can continue to do his thing where he publicly criticizes other director's work and insinuate that if he had made whichever classic film then it would be perfect or whatever and I'll continue to call him a talented but tacky man.

 

[Iceman]

Personally, I think we have a long way to go in terms of achieving equality and representation and feel that a little empathy in these matters harms nobody. I'd much rather have the media occasionally overreact to something than have nobody bring these criticisms up at all out of fear of being called PC or whatever or having these criticisms dismissed due to nebulous claims of context or intentions or whatever. (I'm not saying that you personally are advocating that, just contributing to the conversation).



I don't think it's particularly unprofessional. Directors know that when they put work out into the world that they leave themselves open to criticism, that's just the way it works. Sexism is the kind of thing that Whedon really sees as a pervasive problem in society and as such, I think it's only right he draw attention to it when he feels necessary. In regards to the builder example, if you thought your competitor was building structurally dangerous buildings, why wouldn't you say so? Criticism doesn't mean that you're patting yourself on the back, I don't understand why people make that assumption.

Because you have a conflict of interest when you are in the same profession. I didn't make that term up. It's the reason why it's not allowed and often illegal in many cases. If the building firm has suspicions they should raise these with the regulator or ombudsman direct. If they say it in print it's libellous and they will be in pretty big trouble if the other firm take action. The conflict is that it's impossible to know for sure that they are speaking as a neutral person/entity even if they are saying it with the best of intentions. In another way it's like the victim (or perpetrator) of the sexism themselves talking about it on their twitterwithout evidence (even if true) rather than taking that evidence to the court. It would be fine for Whedon to call out sexism anywhere else or for anyone else (like us) to call it out in entertainment as there is nothing to suggest it might not be neutral. Btw if I'm still not being clear don't worry I'll drop it, was just trying to explain why it's viewed this way.

 

[John Locke]

Whedon should have waited until after he'd seen the movie to say his remarks.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

i bet if the roles were reversed, Whedon wouldn't have said a damn thing

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

What are Whedon's thoughts on the sexist way his buddy James Gunn treated the female lead of Guardians of the Galaxy? Has he ever tweeted about that? Or does Whedon only tweet about the competition?

 

[Octoberist]

It's kinda shooting yourself in the foot when you're a public figure making public comments like that. Kinda like Arnold saying that Terminator Salvation was bad. Okay...so what about the third film or the countless of other bad movies he did?

 

[Schlosser85]

Arnold's good movies can be counted on one hand.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Whedon is such a delusional white knight.

He is the type of dude would push for a female Thor in MCU. t:

 

[Iceman]

I think he'd do alright with Cap Marvel.

 

[DKDetective]

Arnold's good movies can be counted on one hand.

Pumping Iron
Conan the Barbarian
Terminator
Commando
Predator
Terminator 2
Total Recall
True Lies

Wow, how many fingers are on your hand?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Two more than Gemma Arterton.

 

[titansupes]

^ Not to mention that of those good ones, they're almost all considered 'classics' to some degree.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

Whedon is such a delusional white knight.

He is the type of dude would push for a female Thor in MCU. t:

Whedon is a total Beta

 

[lime]

I'm sorry, I think that it's very stupid to enter the JURASSIC WORLD thread only to see the entire page to be filled with Hathaway and Johannsson asses comments and Arnold's bad movies. What the hell?

PS:

Pumping Iron
Conan the Barbarian
Terminator
Commando
Predator
Terminator 2
Total Recall
True Lies

Wow, how many fingers are on your hand?

In what universe is True Lies a bad movie? It's one of the best Arnold movies!

NOW BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE!

 

[Marvolo]

What are Whedon's thoughts on the sexist way his buddy James Gunn treated the female lead of Guardians of the Galaxy? Has he ever tweeted about that? Or does Whedon only tweet about the competition?

What was wrong with Gomorrah? She was a badass in the film. What's the issue?