Jurassic World - Part 8

[Octoberist]

I guess it's like saying Scrooge is a big A-hole, when you're skimming through the first chapter of 'A Christmas Carol'.

 

[Marvolo]

I guess it's like saying Scrooge is a big A-hole, when you're skimming through the first chapter of 'A Christmas Carol'.

And she may not even be this cold stereotype anywhere but at work. I mean, men and women both in up tight jobs put on a face while at work that doesnt always represent the true person. So Corporate Claire could just be her "mask" that she wears on the job. But when the **** hits the fan she drops all that and we see the real Claire come out.


Or corporate claire may be the "real" claire and the film's events simply strip her of all that and leave behind a strong female character.

Either way it could be good if the execution is good.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Or Colin simply wanted to subvert our expectations by making us think one thing when we first meet Claire and by the end of the movie we realize we were wrong about her.

I think it can work. The environment and sort of job Claire does is still very male dominated in the real world. So the film starts out with Claire in her very corporate persona. The one she affects on the job, but as the movie progresses she goes from this stereotypical corporate cold woman in a dress suit to the hair down strong independant woman with the balls to go into a T-Rex pen and lure it out to fight with the I-Rex.

Personally I dont have an issue with this. It allows us to watch her character "evole" and we the audience get to "discover" her character as the film progresses. Rather than it all being clear and laid out from the beginning.

Or she is a stereotype who is simply scared crapless for a little while, and thus seems to be different. We will just have to wait and see. Though a day before release embargo, not doing this any favors. Well at the box office yeah.

 

[Octoberist]

two days though.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

two days though.

The movie opens Thursday night, the embargo is Wednesday.

 

[DKDetective]

But that reads like something very stereotypical. It also sounds like a direct response to criticism. We'll just have to see the movie to find out.

Yeah, the described character arc in and of itself is a stereotype. The uptight, professional woman who through adventures with a charismatic antihero loosens up and finds her true self. Yawn.

I'll give Colin the chance to prove me wrong, but I'm not that reassured.

Or Colin simply wanted to subvert our expectations by making us think one thing when we first meet Claire and by the end of the movie we realize we were wrong about her.

I think it can work. The environment and sort of job Claire does is still very male dominated in the real world. So the film starts out with Claire in her very corporate persona. The one she affects on the job, but as the movie progresses she goes from this stereotypical corporate cold woman in a dress suit to the hair down strong independant woman with the balls to go into a T-Rex pen and lure it out to fight with the I-Rex.

Personally I dont have an issue with this. It allows us to watch her character "evole" and we the audience get to "discover" her character as the film progresses. Rather than it all being clear and laid out from the beginning.

Yeah, you should watch the clip because it shows the exact opposite, that Claire is uptight and joyless in all areas of her life. The whole point is that she acted that way on her date with Owen. Given a lot of the comments around here defending that characterization, I wonder how many people here have had experience with high powered female professionals.

 

[Hurm...]

Colin, himself, is quite well-spoken and before any footage was released, he articulated fantastic ideas for JW. But after these trailers and clips, I think Colin communicated those ideas better in words than in sound/picture. I might be wrong of course, and I'll gladly eat my words if I enjoy the film. Frankly, I was just more excited for this film before seeing the various clips and trailers. There are some smart thematic ideas at play, but the marketing definitely has not elicited a sense of intrigue.

 

[Octoberist]

Well the screening is tonight. We won't get real reactions but I hope we can get hints if they're pos or negs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah, the described character arc in and of itself is a stereotype. The uptight, professional woman who through adventures with a charismatic antihero loosens up and finds her true self. Yawn.

I'll give Colin the chance to prove me wrong, but I'm not that reassured.

Exactly.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

So apparently Best Buy is having a promo, and giving away free Nublar maps. If anyone gets an extra, can you hook a hypester up? I went to three different ones, and nothing.

 

[Broseph44]

So apparently Best Buy is having a promo, and giving away free Nublar maps. If anyone gets an extra, can you hook a hypester up? I went to three different ones, and nothing.

Really? That is pretty awesome.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Yeah, and scalpers on Ebay want $30 for them, yeah I don't want it that badly.

lol

 

[AnneFan]

Yeah, and scalpers on Ebay want $30 for them, yeah I don't want it that badly.

lol

I don't have a copy of this map, but if I did, I'd definitely send one your way.

 

[Marvolo]

Colin Trevorrow discusses the original script:

Colin Trevorrow (Safety Not Guaranteed) was hired to direct Jurassic World without being allowed to see the screenplay first. And when he finally saw the screenplay, he didn’t understand it. He says that he warned Steven Spielberg, “if I direct this screenplay, it’s going to be a bad movie.”

Talking to Den of Geek, Trevorrow explains how he saved himself from having to direct a screenplay that he didn’t actually understand at all:

I was very determined to make it work. Partly because I didn’t seek out doing a large film - I’d made a very small film, which I was proud of. I wanted to make a slightly larger film, then a slightly larger one after that, and then Steven [Spielberg] and Frank [Marshall] came and asked if I’d consider doing this. That was in March of 2013.

It was about three and half months out of production - they were going to start shooting in June. They had a screenplay - I was hired before I was able to read it! And then I came to Los Angeles - I live on the east coast, over in Vermont - and I read the script, and I did not understand it. I didn’t know how I could direct it. So I went back and I said, “I’m sorry, if I direct this screenplay, it’s going to be a bad movie. I’m gonna do a bad job, because I just don’t get it.”

So Steven said to Derek [Connolly, writing partner] and I, “Oh really? Well then, you write a better one. We’ve been trying to do this for 14 years now! Show me what you can do!” [Laughs]

So Derek and I took the three key ideas that Steven had himself, that there’s a park that’s fully functional, there is a man who has a relationship with the raptors and he’s trying to train them, and then there’s a dinosaur that escapes and threatens everyone in the park. Using just those ideas, we built the film you see now. It was a screenplay that got him energized and we started to see it. We got it. Luckily, he has the power to say, “You know what, now that we finally have something that is working, let’s take another year. Let’s get it right.”

In retrospect, I don’t even know what movie we would have seen. It was very similar, but the last 10 percent of something is all of it, in a lot of ways. So that year’s what really made it work.

http://io9.com/the-original-jurassic-world-screenplay-would-have-been-1709096998

 

[WC Avengers]

 

[Broseph44]

Colin Trevorrow discusses the original script:

Colin Trevorrow (Safety Not Guaranteed) was hired to direct Jurassic World without being allowed to see the screenplay first. And when he finally saw the screenplay, he didn’t understand it. He says that he warned Steven Spielberg, “if I direct this screenplay, it’s going to be a bad movie.”

Talking to Den of Geek, Trevorrow explains how he saved himself from having to direct a screenplay that he didn’t actually understand at all:


http://io9.com/the-original-jurassic-world-screenplay-would-have-been-1709096998

Good stuff!

 

[Broseph44]

Btw Marvolo nice new avvy

 

[Lasirius]

Colin Trevorrow discusses the original script:

Colin Trevorrow (Safety Not Guaranteed) was hired to direct Jurassic World without being allowed to see the screenplay first. And when he finally saw the screenplay, he didn’t understand it. He says that he warned Steven Spielberg, “if I direct this screenplay, it’s going to be a bad movie.”

Talking to Den of Geek, Trevorrow explains how he saved himself from having to direct a screenplay that he didn’t actually understand at all:


http://io9.com/the-original-jurassic-world-screenplay-would-have-been-1709096998

This makes me all more excited for this. Forget the embargo, Trevorrow has been speaking more about the film after certain criticisms; everything he has said sounds pretty good to me. Additionally, the recent clips that been revealed have characters delivering lines in a better way than how they're presented on the trailers.

I'm going to be on Trevorrow's side, context is key here.

 

[vinsanity]

First impressions from LA screening:

 

[Marvolo]

Harry Knowles is about as credible as a bag of dog ****.

 

[Iceman]

I guess it's like saying Scrooge is a big A-hole, when you're skimming through the first chapter of 'A Christmas Carol'.

He was a right A-hole in that first chapter! It was awesome. t:

 

[Aesop Rocks]

My buddy saw this last night (Thursday, the 5th). He can't say anything but I'll pry it out of him. lol

 

[divan]

My buddy saw this last night (Thursday, the 5th). He can't say anything but I'll pry it out of him. lol

Not even if he liked it/disliked it/loved it/hated it?

 

[antonydelfini]

I dont know if this has been posted yet:


Colin Trevorrow Responds to Joss Whedon’s JURASSIC WORLD Criticism

“I wonder why [Universal] chose a clip like that, that shows an isolated situation within a movie that has an internal logic. That starts with characters that are almost archetypes, stereotypes that are deconstructed as the story progresses,” he said. “The real protagonist of the movie is Claire and we embrace her femininity in the story’s progression. There’s no need for a female character that does things like a male character, that’s not what makes interesting female characters in my view. Bryce and I have talked a lot about these concepts and aspects of his character.”
That’s the most encouraging thing I’ve heard about the movie, although I wonder how closely the final film will stick to it. Is Claire the one who gets to do all the science stuff and Owen (Chris Pratt) gets to go out and handle the action with his raptor buddies?

Bryce Dallas Howard agrees with Trevorrow that Whedon’s criticism was warranted, but tells the Huffington Post:

“Marketing for a film is tricky because you release stuff without context. Of course there was a part of me being such a fan of him that was like, ‘Nooooo!’ Especially because when you see the movie it’s not at all like that, but we make movies and it’s out there for public opinion and I hope he likes the movie!”

http://collider.com/jurassic-world-director-responds-joss-whedon-criticism/

 

[Supernova]

Harry Knowles is about as credible as a bag of dog ****.

I lost track how many bad movies that man has hyped up.