Jurassic World - Part 8

[jaqua99]

Had to post that sorry.

Jeff Freakin Bridges t:

lol it's as if criticism isn't allowed

 

[Marvolo]

It's not just you. I chalk it up to style though. Current CGI probably goes for a different, more fruitful appearance now.

That being said, that shot of the T Rex has better cgi than any shot of a dinosaur from the promos so far. It will be better on screen; but this is worth noting.

The Jurassic Park franchise had this unique cgi tone to it that made it so heavy, even the lost world had that Jurassic Park CGI feel to it, the spinosaurus did in JP3 as well, in my opinion. (though not as good over all)
What we've seen so far doesn't quite add up yet. I'm sure it will look better on screen next week though. We shall see

As much as I love that JP1 shot it's not better cgi than the dinos in JW. The Rex in that shot has poor texture by today's standards, the skin doesn't even move in some sections where musculature would be shifting the skin on modern cgi creatures, and the composting isn't nearly as good as the dinosaurs in JW.

It might be more aesthetically pleasing to you than any dino in JW, but to objectively compare a 2015 cgi shot to a cgi shot from 1995 and say the 1995 shot is actually better is just silly. It's like comparing a Model T Ford to a 2015 Ford Fusion. The Model T is a classic but it isn't objectively better than a 2015 car.

 

[marty mcfly]

As much as I love that JP1 shot it's not better cgi than the dinos in JW. The Rex in that shot has poor texture by today's standards, the skin doesn't even move in some sections where musculature would be shifting the skin on modern cgi creatures, and the composting isn't nearly as good as the dinosaurs in JW.

It might be more aesthetically pleasing to you than any dino in JW, but to objectively compare a 2015 cgi shot to a cgi shot from 1995 and say the 1995 shot is actually better is just silly. It's like comparing a Model T Ford to a 2015 Ford Fusion. The Model T is a classic but it isn't objectively better than a 2015 car.

While I agree with what you're saying to a certain point, I have to say that if it looks real, it looks real. Compositing, texture, etc. may all be technically correct in the current dinos, but to my eye, having watched JP1 dozens of times, this shot (as well as a number of others) just looks undeniably real to me, more so than a lot of shots of dinos in JW.

I'm not usually a stickler for that kind of stuff, but like any type of movie magic, it doesn't matter how technically accurate something is if it doesn't look real.

I also think a lot of it comes down to camera movement. In JP1 the camera was either locked-off, or had minimal tracking movement. But in a lot of modern movies with an over abundance of CGI creatures, they're constantly putting the camera in impossible places which personally takes me out of the moment. I'm too aware that it's impossible to actually get that shot with a real camera, so I automatically know I'm watching something made on a computer.

 

[Waldini]

I swear to god. If "Rexy" dies in Jurassic World I'm gonna walk right out of the cinema. Head home and cry in a corner.


... I ... I can't handle another random T-Rex death

 

[WC Avengers]

What's all this about Josh Weedon and Jurassic World talk?




I know it's old news but Josh should shut the hell up and worry about a Director's recut of Avengers 2. Cause Avengers 2 sucked man. he cut out all the good stuff they filmed, lol

Loki, Thor, etc....

Anyhow, JW is going to be good. A friend of mine has seen it(an early version) and say's it's NOT awesome but it is a fitting sequel to JP.

 

[Octoberist]

Wait not awesome? what does even mean?

 

[WC Avengers]

Wait not awesome? what does even mean?

I don't know?. He said it was NOT awesome.

He seen it back in march, I can only assume he saw an early cut.

He works on the second department team. Whatever that is! But I trust him. Hell, I hang with Bryce at the Comic Con every year, lol He better be cool

 

[chaseter]

Huh...

 

[Broseph44]

Yeahhhhhhh, moving on

 

[WC Avengers]

Yeahhhhhhh, moving on

ya, you do that!!!!

 

[Snow Queen]

Has this been posted yet?

 

[jaqua99]

As much as I love that JP1 shot it's not better cgi than the dinos in JW. The Rex in that shot has poor texture by today's standards, the skin doesn't even move in some sections where musculature would be shifting the skin on modern cgi creatures, and the composting isn't nearly as good as the dinosaurs in JW.

It might be more aesthetically pleasing to you than any dino in JW, but to objectively compare a 2015 cgi shot to a cgi shot from 1995 and say the 1995 shot is actually better is just silly. It's like comparing a Model T Ford to a 2015 Ford Fusion. The Model T is a classic but it isn't objectively better than a 2015 car.

Yes, I won't disagree there. That's not the point I was making though, You seem to have missed my point a little bit. In some ways, there IS something that appears different. The original had a cgi effect that the current cgi dinosaurs don't seem to have. As I said, it could be due to style, and how the standards have risen and changed.

But my point is, the cgi in the originals, regardless of the quality of their "objective technicality" just seem to have a more organic, more real feel than what we've seen so far to myself, and evidently at least one other person here, and I'm sure through out the world too. It's a legitimate opinion. No need to call another opinion silly, shows a bit of a stance. I believe that the cgi will look better in the movie, and probably just as good as the originals. I was just comparing the original film to the promos of this one. I may have exaggerated a bit in my post last night, "better cgi by far", I agree, but I just didn't mean comparing the shot to today's technical standards.
I finished up a long assignment near 2am and then made that post so I was a bit cranky :P

 

[WC Avengers]

Has this been posted yet?

Good for her!

Joss needs to worry about his own films, lol

 

[ShadowBoxer]

What's all this about Josh Weedon and Jurassic World talk?




I know it's old news but Josh should shut the hell up and worry about a Director's recut of Avengers 2. Cause Avengers 2 sucked man. he cut out all the good stuff they filmed, lol

Loki, Thor, etc....

Anyhow, JW is going to be good. A friend of mine has seen it(an early version) and say's it's NOT awesome but it is a fitting sequel to JP.

Avengers 2 did not suck and I wouldn't be to quick to bash him for his opinions, especially since we don't know how Jurassic World will be. I hope Jurassic World is amazing but there is a possibility of it being mediocre.

 

[Napoleon]

Has this been posted yet?

See, this is why I keep telling people that I have confidence in this film; I haven't see any of Trevorrow's work, but he comes off as an extremely professional guy in interviews in the way that he's able to take constructive criticism. That and his confidence in the film has been a big selling point for me. Even if this movie doesn't do so well (I personally don't think that it's going to be a bad movie like I've said before), I think Trevorrow's gonna go places. And I agree with him about the AoU criticisms more or less.

 

[Napoleon]

Jeff Freakin Bridges t:

lol it's as if criticism isn't allowed

I was more or less being cheeky. Didn't mean to come off as rude or anything.

 

[Marvolo]

Has this been posted yet?

I want to quote this bit here:

Colin:
"I wonder why [Universal] chose a clip like that, that shows an isolated situation within a movie that has an internal logic. That starts with characters that are almost archetypes, stereotypes that are deconstructed as the story progresses. The real protagonist of the movie is Claire and we embrace her femininity in the story’s progression. There’s no need for a female character that does things like a male character, that’s not what makes interesting female characters in my view. Bryce and I have talked a lot about these concepts and aspects of her character.”

Should reassure some that Claire isnt just some stereotype.

 

[Octoberist]

I like Joss, but yeah, perhaps he needs to not say stuff like that. Be honest when the movie's released, and not by judging a 90 second clip.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hope that is true, but the film could just end up with another cold stereotype. They seem to at least start that way with her.

 

[jaqua99]

I was more or less being cheeky. Didn't mean to come off as rude or anything.

I know t:, I kinda was too

I hope that is true, but the film could just end up with another cold stereotype. They seem to at least start that way with her.

Well the director did say that the film starts with these stereotypes, and they get deconstructed through out the movie.

Hell, I don't care, as long as there is some Tyrannosaurs I Rex neck crushing, I'm happy

 

[SuperT]

I hope that is true, but the film could just end up with another cold stereotype. They seem to at least start that way with her.

He says that in his own explanation - they start out as what may seem like typical stereotypes but throughout the course of the film they're deconstructed and revealed to be everything but stereotypes.

 

[Lord]

I don't see the problem of criticising a promo, isn't the objective of those to give us a preview on what to expect of the film?

 

[SuperT]

I don't see the problem of criticising a promo, isn't the objective of those to give us a preview on what to expect of the film?

The problem is that promo's are almost always misleading, chopped up or taken out of context or chronology. Especially because 99.9% of the time the directors don't get to choose what's released as promo. That's done solely by the studio marketing team who haven't even seen the movie yet so they have no clue what clips mean or where they fall.

I think you can criticize a promo to an extent but Whedon, as a director himself, should have known better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

He says that in his own explanation - they start out as what may seem like typical stereotypes but throughout the course of the film they're deconstructed and revealed to be everything but stereotypes.

But that reads like something very stereotypical. It also sounds like a direct response to criticism. We'll just have to see the movie to find out.

 

[Marvolo]

Or Colin simply wanted to subvert our expectations by making us think one thing when we first meet Claire and by the end of the movie we realize we were wrong about her.

I think it can work. The environment and sort of job Claire does is still very male dominated in the real world. So the film starts out with Claire in her very corporate persona. The one she affects on the job, but as the movie progresses she goes from this stereotypical corporate cold woman in a dress suit to the hair down strong independant woman with the balls to go into a T-Rex pen and lure it out to fight with the I-Rex.

Personally I dont have an issue with this. It allows us to watch her character "evole" and we the audience get to "discover" her character as the film progresses. Rather than it all being clear and laid out from the beginning.