Kramer's A Racist!!!

[JewishHobbit]

Racism drives me nuts. We should start a war on racism and exterminate everyone who is racist shouting that everyone else is racist. Then me and Bill Cosby would have the world to ourselves.

 

[jono11]

Often, total subversion of a word leads to its acceptance.

In which case, would it probably have lost all derogatory connotations by that point?

 

[raybia]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't think it is that simple.

Maybe or maybe not, but simplicity is an excellent starting point for change and reform.


I also don't think that the fact folks use the word indicates a lack of civility or respect for ones self.

Not necessary in individual cases, but as an entire group where the use of the word is culturally accepted should make us question our ethnic mindset in light of the original use of the word and what effects that slavery, segregation, and discrimation continue to have on African-Americans to this very day.

It is possible to adopt a negative word and subjugate it for ones own culture. It happens all the time, and in fact helps de-mystify and de-stigmatize the word.

Not only possible but it happens all the time but that doesn't mean that its right. I don't want my son and daughters to think of themselves as ******s/*****s even nor calling their friends or family by that term, even as a "term of endearment." That makes us look like a very foolish people. I don't hear Jews calling themselves the offensive names that other have called them throughout history. Why, I think its because that have self-respect and dignity. Like the proverb, "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."

Since I don't think of myself as a ******, I don't have the emotional trigger to react if someone calls me one as a derogatory remark.

Yet, I find "enlightened" attitudes like yours a bit offensive....that's just me though.

Offended by enlightenment and enlightened ideas? What a very ignorance thing to say.

You will never become enlightened with that mentality and what is sad is that many won't and don't want to.

 

[charl_huntress]

Offended by enlightenment and enlightened ideas? What a very ignorance thing to say.

You will never become enlightened that mentality and what is sad is that many won't.

Thanks for that judgement....I feel better knowing I won't be like you

Not necessary in individual cases, but as an entire group where the use of the word is culturally accepted should make us question our ethnic mindset in light of the original use of the word and what effects that slavery, segregation, and discrimation continue to have on African-Americans to this very day.

The fact that black folk are hyper-viligant when the word is uttered by a non-black, while they use the word for themselves should give some clue to the mindset. As I have said, I think the word defines a sense of brotherhood and shared struggle. Where you find offense with the word, I focus more on the usage and reasons behind the usage. The same would apply to a white person who tired to use it in that context alone. I would know he wasn't call me the n-word as an insult, but I would correct him on using it. It's a double-standard, but it's one that exist in a lot of cultures and countries.

Not only possible but it happens all the time but that doesn't mean that its right. I don't want my son and daughters to think of themselves as ******s/*****s even nor calling their friends or family by that term, even as a "term of endearment." That makes us look like a very foolish people. I don't hear Jews calling themselves the offensive names that other have called them throughout history. Why, I think its because that have self-respect and dignity. Like the proverb, "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."

Since I don't think of myself as a ******, I don't have the emotional trigger to react if someone calls me one as a derogatory remark.

I don't think of myself as that...using the word denotively. Obviously, no one using it as an endearment/greeting/whatever means it as an insult....an that is what I think you are failing, unable, or unwilling to see.

 

[jono11]

lol

Shut up fascist.

 

[raybia]

Thanks for that judgement....I feel better knowing I won't be like you

Judgment is what people on the Hype are best at. Its best just to be yourself.

 

[charl_huntress]

Judgment is what people on the Hype are best at. Its best just to be yourself.

I always am...always.

 

[Equint77]

i always hated seinfeld... glad the cast is cursed with bad luck, bad careers and now bad press.

**** them in their *******s these muther****ing god damn pieces of ****ing ****...

 

[jono11]

Richards made an apology via satillite on Letterman last night, prompted by Jerry Seinfeld (who was a guest on last night's episode), it was hard for him to do (It was a very uncomfortable situation), but he flat out admitted that he just screwed up. No drugs or alcohol to make an "excuse." He didn't make any bones about it. I didn't see the entire thing, just clips on the morning news. But it was clear he was near tears.

The audience had the gaul to laugh like Richards was trying to be funny. Seinfeld actually had to seriously tell them to stop it.

I know there's a lot of skeptics here, but I buy his apology. Given that he's worked with plenty of blacks throughout his career, I really think it was more just that he was mad at the guy and lost his judgement and decided to really try to insult the guy by bringing race into it. Even his "inturrupt the White man" junk sounded slightly sarcastic.

I watched it and I have to say I agree with you. The apology was one of the hardest things I've ever watched. That is a man who is experiencing a kind of regret that is tough to deal with.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

i always hated seinfeld... glad the cast is cursed with bad luck, bad careers and now bad press.

**** them in their *******s these muther****ing god damn pieces of ****ing ****...

that woman from seinfeld has a sucessful show on cbs.
yeah, I know "sucessful show on cbs" is an oxymoron, but whatever.

 

[raybia]

The fact that black folk are hyper-viligant when the word is uttered by a non-black, while they use the word for themselves should give some clue to the mindset. As I have said, I think the word defines a sense of brotherhood and shared struggle. Where you find offense with the word, I focus more on the usage and reasons behind the usage. The same would apply to a white person who tired to use it in that context alone. I would know he wasn't call me the n-word as an insult, but I would correct him on using it. It's a double-standard, but it's one that exist in a lot of cultures and countries.

I'm aware of the reasons behind the usage however we as a people continue to be self-degradating by using that term. I believe me, it doesn't begin and end with that word. Our whole language tends to be dangerous in terms of the type of mind it products. We need to reform the way we communicate in order to have more positive and productive results.

I don't think of myself as that...using the word denotively. Obviously, no one using it as an endearment/greeting/whatever means it as an insult....an that is what I think you are failing, unable, or unwilling to see.

I am fully conscious that there are cases where its not used as an insult but what you fail to realize it that doesn't make the word any less harmful. There is an subconscious effect of using the word on both African-Americans and those of other ethnic groups.

I'm not going to go on any crusade to eradicate the use of the word, but I have and will continue to teach my children, family, friends, peers, and people in my Mosque and in my community and inner circle to avoid it because of it degrading effects (whether intentional or not) and to use more positive language. If you want to continue to use the N word or have people refer to you using the word, then thats on you.

Words are powerful because words form minds. Some words can free and expand your mind while others can imprison it.

So the words that we use and allow into our minds should be indicative of the type of mind that we desire to form.

 

[Equint77]

that woman from seinfeld has a sucessful show on cbs.
yeah, I know "sucessful show on cbs" is an oxymoron, but whatever.

kramer show - failure
bald guy show(s) - failure
woman with wide face show - failure
seinfeld - smart enough to keep himself home

 

[Addendum]

Care to refute it with actual logic, rather than random swearing and whining about how rough you have it?

It's sad, but I guess you're never going to understand the concept of white privilege. I really am saddened. I had thought that most people, when exposed to the facts of society, could be reasoned with, and convinced that white privilege exists. I see now that there are some people who are just too narrow-minded, who misconstrue anything remotely critical as reverse racism, who can't see past their own lives to other people's suffering.

That puts you above 24.4% of black people, but only 8.2% of whites. And yet you still won't accept that whites are better off, will you?

If you don't think I realize that, you're a ****ing idiot.

1) Not every white person who lived in the United States when slavery was legal owned slaves. Please provide actual documented irrefutable proof that that wasn't true.

2) Some white families emigrated to the United States after slavery was outlawed and therefore bear no responsibility to what transpired in this nation before they arrived.

3) An individual is solely responsible for his or her actions. That's one aspect of personal responsibility.

4) If someone on the internet calls me a ****ing idiot, why should I care? Much better to be a ****ing idiot than whine and complain and blame others for one's failings.

 

[y2jversion1]

you.

Words are powerful because words form minds. Some words can free and expand your mind while others can imprison it.

So the words that we use and allow into our minds should be indicative of the type of mind that we desire to form.

Now those are words of wisdom

 

[Neptune]

Man i am reaaaallly dissapointed in Michael Richards. No ones likes to be heckled but calling them n******? That's just sad, low and cheap. He's a comedian, at least try to come up with a funny reply. And if he can't do that. Then those guys he insulted were right, he isn't funny.

 

[raybia]

Man i am reaaaallly dissapointed in Michael Richards. No ones likes to be heckled but calling them n******? That's just sad, low and cheap. He's a comedian, at least try to come up with a funny reply. And if he can't do that. Then those guys he insulted were right, he isn't funny.

I read that he is an comedic actor but had no stand-up experience...hence the improper handing of the hecklers.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I read that he is an comedic actor but had no stand-up experience...hence the improper handing of the hecklers.

He actually got his start in stand up, that's why it doesn't make sense.... he must have just had a bad day and just lost it. I'm sure that even if the heckler wasn't Black, if he was another race, he would have layed into THAT race. Unfortunately, it doesn't work for a White guy to racially insult a White guy, so that instantly makes it almost a whole other racial situation. But I'm sure if the hecklers were White, he'd have just blown up period anyway.

His apology certainly sufficed. I mean, sure, I'm White, but I can tell when someone's being sincere. He truly just messed up and pulled out the stops to insult the guy. Unfortunately, it shows that if you get Richards mad, he goes right for the jugular.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

I prefer that video where the guy's singing funny songs and flies down at a heckler and gives him a concussion by bashing him over the head with his guitar.

 

[jono11]

kramer show - failure
bald guy show(s) - failure
woman with wide face show - failure
seinfeld - smart enough to keep himself home

Blad guy had a funny role in Shallow Hal...

 

[jono11]

1) Not every white person who lived in the United States when slavery was legal owned slaves. Please provide actual documented irrefutable proof that that wasn't true.

2) Some white families emigrated to the United States after slavery was outlawed and therefore bear no responsibility to what transpired in this nation before they arrived.

3) An individual is solely responsible for his or her actions. That's one aspect of personal responsibility.

4) If someone on the internet calls me a ****ing idiot, why should I care? Much better to be a ****ing idiot than whine and complain and blame others for one's failings.

1) Never been my argument. Please read what I say. However, for the record, the majority of slaves were owned by small-time farmers who had one or two. But that's completely beside the point.
2) They don't bear responsibility for slavery, but they do bear responsibility for helping perpetuate institutional racism by not fighting it hard enough, since it benefitted them, and just for reaping the benefits of the suffering of others, and since that suffering can be traced to a specific practice in history, it's easy to see why certain people should be compensated.
3) Yes, but if you think that anybody can rise above poverty just because they want to, you're naive. Or maybe you just believe that all poor people are lazy, and they're only poor because they're lazy. If so, please get the **** back to the 19th century.
4) I'm not asking for compensation for ME. I'm white. I'm offering to pay. Furthermore, it's not compensation for failings, it's compensation for oppression.

Do you get it yet? I'm not blaming white people for slavery. I'm blaming them for institutional racism, of which we are all a part. And also, I'm white. People don't seem to understand that I am white, AND I'm advocating for reparations.

 

[charl_huntress]

I am fully conscious that there are cases where its not used as an insult but what you fail to realize it that doesn't make the word any less harmful. There is an subconscious effect of using the word on both African-Americans and those of other ethnic groups.

I'm not going to go on any crusade to eradicate the use of the word, but I have and will continue to teach my children, family, friends, peers, and people in my Mosque and in my community and inner circle to avoid it because of it degrading effects (whether intentional or not) and to use more positive language. If you want to continue to use the N word or have people refer to you using the word, then thats on you.

Words are powerful because words form minds. Some words can free and expand your mind while others can imprison it.

So the words that we use and allow into our minds should be indicative of the type of mind that we desire to form.

While I have heard this argument before, I do not buy it. We as a people have progressed...while using the word amongst ourselves. I don't see that chaging because we continue to use the word.

The words we use and allow into our mind...that's pretty powerful...but I feel like it's missing something

Anyway, you have your views and I have mine. I will continue to do what I do and you continue on with what you do. I'm sure we will meet in the middle somewhere down the line.

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Words are powerful because words form minds. Some words can free and expand your mind while others can imprison it.

So the words that we use and allow into our minds should be indicative of the type of mind that we desire to form.

Without agreeing or disagreeing, I'll say that this sounds weird coming from someone who uses profanity so much.

I have been confused by how foul-mouthed some Muslims are. The Bible forbids profanity, and you know I know very little about the Quran, but it hardly seems like something Allah would endorse.

 

[charl_huntress]

I read that he is an comedic actor but had no stand-up experience...hence the improper handing of the hecklers.

That was probably the reason he was heckled . I, however, think he does have stand-up experience since he's been in the business like thirty years.

What I'm not getting is why folks are defending him and trying to turn the blame on the hecklers. I'm not saying they are blameless, but they are not responsible for his actions. He is totally wrong...no matter how you look at it. It's not the end of the world, and he's said he is sorry. So....

Anyway, I felt sort of sorry for him on Lettermen last night. He looked so uncomfortable, and I don't think he is a racist. Actually, I think he is a white dude who got pissed off at some black folk and called them most foul thing in his mind, the dreaded racial slur. I wish I know why that word came to his mind first, and of course he probably did have some incident where some black dude beat him up or something. Or some black comic beat him out of role. Who knows? Point is...dude was wrong!

I don't think he's career will recover from this...unless he does what Sinbad and others are saying. Go on Apollo!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Go on Apollo!

lol, uh, talk about heckling, that'd be like throwing a cow to the piranhas.

 

[jono11]

I don't think he's career will recover from this...unless he does what Sinbad and others are saying. Go on Apollo!

There's still a Sinbad?