The Last Jedi Laura Dern IS Vice Admiral Amilyn Holdo

[ManWithNoName18]

I'll also admit I'm one of those people that never liked the idea of underdog resistance vs the empire reincarnated thing they went for in this new saga.

I think a better plot would've been the resistance sending Finn/Poe/etc around the galaxy to gather allies instead of the plot we got.

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Although it seems like Luke's sacrifice is gonna be the event that really inspires others to join the resistance cause

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

The more I think about it, Holdo's role could have easily gone to Admiral Ackbar instead

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And it would have been a pretty epic end for Ackbar to be the one lightspeeding towards to the Star Destroyer to save the Resistance

 

[Orba]

Further, there is value in having someone like Poe on your side. No one seemed to really like or trust Holdo. Poe, on the other hand, was a renowned hero who was able to get quite a few senior officers behind him for a mutiny. It makes more sense to work with someone like that and use him to calm others/keep morale up than to ice him out.

Except when she first appeared Poe knew who she was, she had a military reputation.

"That's Admiral Holdo? Battle of Chyron Bell Admiral Holdo?"

She was not a complete stranger so the only reason he had not to trust her is that she was not doing things the way he would have.

The more I think about it, Holdo's role could have easily gone to Admiral Ackbar instead

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And it would have been a pretty epic end for Ackbar to be the one lightspeeding towards to the Star Destroyer to save the Resistance

Except things would never have happened the way they did if Ackbar was in the same position as Holdo. The audience is supposed to not trust Holdo, we are meant to think that she is wrong and Poe is right simply because she is an outsider to the group and he is one of the heroes. Normally in stories like this that is exactly what would have happened, her plan would have failed and Poe's would have worked, saving everyone at the last second, and once again showing that the hero and that anything decision he makes by default ends up being the best one. Ackbar would not have worked in the position because the natural distrust would not have been there, the audience would have given him the benefit of the doubt for far longer.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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Except when she first appeared Poe knew who she was, she had a military reputation.

She was not a complete stranger so the only reason he had not to trust her is that she was not doing things the way he would have.




Except things would never have happened the way they did if Ackbar was in the same position as Holdo. The audience is supposed to not trust Holdo, we are meant to think that she is wrong and Poe is right simply because she is an outsider to the group and he is one of the heroes. Normally in stories like this that is exactly what would have happened, her plan would have failed and Poe's would have worked, saving everyone at the last second, and once again showing that the hero and that anything decision he makes by default ends up being the best one. Ackbar would not have worked in the position because the natural distrust would not have been there, the audience would have given him the benefit of the doubt for far longer.

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I don't think what was meant was Ackbar taking Holdo's place as the authority figure Poe chafes under but just that Ackbar should have stayed behind to pilot the cruiser and then make the decision to kamikaze the destroyer.

 

[Orba]

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I don't think what was meant was Ackbar taking Holdo's place as the authority figure Poe chafes under but just that Ackbar should have stayed behind to pilot the cruiser and then make the decision to kamikaze the destroyer.

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But if Ackbar was around he would have been put in charge since he was higher rank. Also if he was around he would have been aware of Holdo's plan, him trusting her plan would again have taken away from the distrust we are supposed to have towards Holdo.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

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But if Ackbar was around he would have been put in charge since he was higher rank. Also if he was around he would have been aware of Holdo's plan, him trusting her plan would again have taken away from the distrust we are supposed to have towards Holdo.

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I think you are missing the point of the poster's suggestion.
I think everything stays the same except Ackbar is alive and it's he that makes the sacrifice play. Not that he takes Holdo's place in the rest of the story.
And it wouldn't take much finagling. Just have Ackbar, like Leia, temporarily taken out of action instead of killed. Then later when it's time to evacuate the ship when everyone else leaves Ackbar stays behind. Then he sees things going south for the escapees and performs the Hyperspace suicide run. Again,
leave Holdo's story as is, just swap in Ackbar for Holdo as the one that takes out the destroyer. I think many long time fans felt Ackbar was punked a bit by his death.

 

[Captain Marvel]

What was up with the wardrobe for ADMIRAL Holdo and GENERAL Organa? Why does every high ranking military officer in the Rebellion dress like its Casual Friday?

 

[Orba]

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I think you are missing the point of the poster's suggestion.
I think everything stays the same except Ackbar is alive and it's he that makes the sacrifice play. Not that he takes Holdo's place in the rest of the story.
And it wouldn't take much finagling. Just have Ackbar, like Leia, temporarily taken out of action instead of killed. Then later when it's time to evacuate the ship when everyone else leaves Ackbar stays behind. Then he sees things going south for the escapees and performs the Hyperspace suicide run. Again,
leave Holdo's story as is, just swap in Ackbar for Holdo as the one that takes out the destroyer. I think many long time fans felt Ackbar was punked a bit by his death.

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Nah sorry I don't agree with that at all, having Ackbar doing it rather than Holdo would be stealing her big moment, the culmination of her story, purely to give Ackbar a cool moment. There would be no story reason for it to happen, it would just be pandering to the fans. If Ackbar had survived it would still have made more sense for Holdo to have stayed on board the Radus rather than him. Fans might have thought it cool but lets be honest, Ackbar is a character that is only famous for a meme.

 

[Matt]

Except when she first appeared Poe knew who she was, she had a military reputation.

She was not a complete stranger so the only reason he had not to trust her is that she was not doing things the way he would have.

Sure, she had a reputation that was known by Poe, an upper level commander. That isn’t the same as being able to calm and reassure every person in that doomed fleet, which should be a leader’s goal...at least one of them...to keep people calm and morale high.

Poe knew of her, but he didn’t know her and he didn’t trust her on a personal level, nor did anyone on the ship seem to. Conversely, the officers and people on the ship seemed to know and respect Poe (at least enough to follow him in a mutiny). There is value in exploiting that relationship to keep morale high and that means not shutting Poe out, at least not entirely.

My only point is that both Poe and Holdo are wrong in this conflict. Poe, for obvious reasons and Holdo because while she may have had a grand tactical plan, she was either unwilling or unable to communicate that plan effectively, or at least give her subordinates a reason to buy in and follow her. For that reason alone, while she may have been a skilled tactician, she’s not much of a leader (two very different things). Both sides were wrong and that seems fitting with the overall themes of the movie, no?

 

[Deck Rickard]

Honestly... and I think I said this in another thread... Poe's mutiny and most of the stuff with Admiral Holdout just felt like an unnecessary subplot to fill time because they needed to give Poe something to do. It added drama, but much like the Finn/Rose subplot, it really didn't go anywhere.

 

[Havok83]

I liked her and thought she was one of the better new character introduced. She also had the coolest moment

 

[titansupes]

Honestly... and I think I said this in another thread... Poe's mutiny and most of the stuff with Admiral Holdout just felt like an unnecessary subplot to fill time because they needed to give Poe something to do. It added drama, but much like the Finn/Rose subplot, it really didn't go anywhere.

 

[Smilodon]

For a moment I thought Admiral Holdo was gonna be like Haman Karn because of her hair, but her hair color and dress reminded me of the Dark Woman. Laura Dern would've made a good Dark Woman.