The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Lessons Learned with TASM2

[Mysteryman]

Lessons Learned?
I can think of only one.
Sometimes it"s a better idea to give your franchise a rest before you reboot it .

 

[AF3619]

Lessons Learned?
I can think of only one.
Sometimes it"s a better idea to give your franchise a rest before you reboot it .

Unless you can't give it a rest because you will loose the rights if you do

 

[BestGirl]

Agreed. I thought TASM was ok, but I think it would be a shame if they went back to that style. I greatly preferred TASM2’s brighter palette and form of humour. SM2 is still the best overall film, but they really nailed his wisecracking personality here.

I feel like future movies can have both. Keep the quips and the color palette, but make the villains more threatening. Drop the cheesiness.

 

[Frodo]

Well these lessons learned apply to both films

1) You can't cut corners with the Osborn/Goblin Family vs Peter Storyline. Either you do it fully or you don't do it at all. You can't rush it or try to shoehorn it in ala Venom Spiderman 3. It has to play itself out over multiple films if needed. You can't try to do it all in one film and expect to get any sort of real impact.

2) You can't get rid of the guilt angle.

3) This is Spiderman not the Avengers. The only world that worth building is the one that involves Peter's network of friends, family, co-workers and lovers. Wasting time setting up lame to shallow villains in order to attempt to create several Avenger and XMen like world building sequels is folly. The audience cares about Peter Parker, not Smythe, not the sinister six, and not obscure characters who may become crucial 4 films done the line.

4) The is Spiderman, not the Nolan trilogy. What Sony needed to take away from TDK saga was not ...to be dark, but was Nolan's respect of the source material and his outside the box thinking which helped him craft cleaver and intelligent stories.

5) The parental angle while a part of the comics, isn't a strong enough angle to build a trilogy on. Again, this is about Peter Parker. This isn't Harry Potter in which the parental angle ties the story together. Aunt May is his parent and audiences have accepted that without questions regarding who his mom and dad were. If youre going to exploit the parental angle you've got to truely make it a driving plotline, not something that's brought up every now and then for filler.

6) You can't get rid of the underdog element. The guy always has problems and issues whether he's in highschool or college. He's trying to balance a million different things. That's a core part of his character and its why people connect to the character.

7) Just because they're Spiderman villains doesn't mean they're strong enough or interesting enough to help to carry a 2 plus hour film.

8) If one of the main purposes of the reboot was to take him back to highschool then he needed to be there for at least another film or two, otherwise you're right back where Raimi was. Yes, Garfield is getting old so I get it, still , this reboot was suppose to exploit the 21st century teen/highschool angle and only did it for one film.

9) Timing. While Garfield and Stone were good, it was too soon. You needed a new generation to hunger for the character and not be still full from the Raimi films. It wasn't in the cards for legal reasons but you needed more space.

 

[Orba]

Stop making every villain have an origin that can be summarised as "Oscorp". So far we have Lizard, Electro, Green Goblin, Rhino who all have their abilities due to Oscorp, and it looks like Vulture, Doc Ock, and Venom at least will be the same. They are supposed to be creating an entire film universe, there must be other sources of technology.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

Spoiler

They finally get Peter right and you want them to go back to making him a dork? LOL.

Peter started as a dork in the comics, but when he became Spider-man he broke out of his shell and became a more assertive and talkative guy. The new films understand this about the character.

My biggest problem with Raimi's films were that they never evolved Peter like the comcis did. Webbs films did this perfectly.

PS. Current Peter does not have flat composed hair in the comics. They actually modeled Andrew's hair after Peter's current hairdew in the comics.

well yeah you're kinda right, but there could have been an evolution in his look too, like he could've looked dorkier in the first movie (like he did look in the earlier comics

not the same hair style I suggested for Andrew but he still looked dorky)

and then in the second movie when he's a lot more out of his shell we could've gotten that more modern Peter from the comics. Andrew's acting was great in TASM but his look didn't sell me

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Fixing a costume doesn't make the movie not suck. Webb is a weak director, Sony and Arad interfere and push agendas on the creative talent, and their scripts are dog doo.

They have learned nothing and I won't see another Spidey movie in theaters unless I get in free or pay to see a different movie and sneak in. Sony doesn't get a cent from me anymore. Three wretched movies in a row and somehow people think a 4th shot will do the trick. Nope. Spider-Man is done until he goes back to Marvel.

Yeah, fixing the costume wasn't going to help. You're signature perfectly illustrates why this franchise is going downhill. Webb doesn't understand Spider-man, he doesn't get why the character is a hero. Captain Stacy is one of Peter's regrets/failures, but not as big as Webb wants him to be, Uncle Ben is. However, that's been screwed up so the team needs to move past it, also move past the parents angle, it doesn't belong in the franchise. Craft a better story, I've said it in another thread, bring in JJJ, have his smear campaign bring Kraven to town, or have JJJ commission Scorpion.

Another idea, bring in Hobgoblin, no explanation, no secret identity, make it like the first appearances in the '80s where no one knew who he was. This is a way to keep the Osborn's in the franchise as it would drive them mad and he also makes a dangerous foe to Peter because there's little to no motivation other than destruction, like the Joker in the Dark Knight. Don't make the movie as deathly serious though.

 

[WarriorDreamer]

I have an idea of a lesson.

Never go to a movie where a character has a comb over.

Excellent lesson.


Here's the number one lesson: Don't copy off of previous movies, ever. Some say the entirety of ASM was loosely based on Batman Begins, the tone, the style and the way they tried to tell the story with the childhood flashback and all. Then people complained that it was too dark, so instead they made ASM2 like The Avengers which was a huge success, but wasn't a dark superhero movie.

There are 50+ years of excellent Spider-Man comic book materiel to draw from, many great storylines to adapt into a film. With enough creativity and effort it can be done. Rather than slapping together a half arssed rushed copy of a previous movie.

Little to no creativity went into this movie. Sure there was great efforts, but when you pay a top effects company 30+ million dollars to do some nice effects, they're going to do their job. That isn't creativity.

Pull something decent out of the bag. Or it will for sure be the last one.

 

[GoodYoung]

main lesson learned:
NEVER hire Kurtzman and/or Orci EVER again!

This!

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

main lesson learned:
NEVER hire Kurtzman and/or Orci EVER again!

All but one of their only good work was with J.J. Abrams, and I think they got really lucky with the first Transformers.

 

[TheWallCrawler]

I don't think they're that bad writers, they just have to have a strong director behind them to lead the way

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think they are terrible for comic book movies.

Their work suggest they think very little of the genre.

 

[Spider-knight]

i hope they give us a director's cut.

b ut in all fairness as much as i know their original take on the sequel was good they need to be fired since they're considered to be a hit or miss. i agree that you need a strong director to help you but with a strong director there needs to be a strong writer like the guy who brought you days of future past or winter soldier. though i wouldn't mind roberto and alex staying as long as marc webb keeps and eye on them and as long as sony doesn't interfere.

speaking of which sony is low on numbers and considering either tasm 3 and sinister six are their last shot for 2016 if they mess with the creators' works they're ****ed. no one would see their spiderman movies again

 

[MadVillainy]

I wanna see a Spider-Man series with the internal monologue like in the comics. I always loved Spider-Man's monolouges or at least thoughts.


Also I wouldnt mind a Spider-Man series that spends more time with him in High school

 

[Spider-knight]

the internal monologue couyld be interesting but it could annoying audiances if it were put into live action. if it were added hopefully they'll make it work without making it annoying

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

A bunch of scenes do not constitute a well-paced, connected story.

So far, I look at the film as a decent one with good stuff that outweighs the bad. But I left the theater feeling empty because the movie felt so incomplete. It may work on the comics, but those are episodic. A movie needs to have a thread everything else connects to.

 

[Spider-knight]

A bunch of scenes do not constitute a well-paced, connected story.

So far, I look at the film as a decent one with good stuff that outweighs the bad. But I left the theater feeling empty because the movie felt so incomplete. It may work on the comics, but those are episodic. A movie needs to have a thread everything else connects to.

with something like tasm and tasm 2 they work best in tv shows. infact spiderman definitely works best on television than on movies because the spiderman mythos is so huge you have like a bunch of characters to explore and spiderman is one of those character who need to have a blanace in his life. though just because the movies were originally long doesn't mean we can't demand for a director's cut since well in dvd you can fastfoward to some parts and you can do whatever you want when watching a dvd