Endgame Let’s talk the T word (SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[Michel]

He did that in some way, off-screen. Quantum tech...

In the Cap&Peggy timeline, Hank Pym will discover the Pym Particles. With one dose, old Cap can travel back to the main timeline, he still has his own time-travel device.

 

[Detective Conan]

My biggest gripe about the movie, although it's just a personal one, is that Bucky didn't become Captain America.

lest you forget Bucky was a brainwashed assassin under the control of comic book Nazis. Sam doesn’t have that baggage and has displayed the integrity and unwavering good-nature that makes him a better fit for the mantle than Bucky. Of course Bucky has taken up the mantle in the comics but I think it makes sense for it to be Sam than Bucky.

 

[Detective Conan]

And co-incidently all Peter's friends got dusted!

Do we know for sure that Far From Home takes place after Endgame? I sort of wondered if Far From Home would end with Peter on the school bus seeing the alien ship attack New York.

Both producers Kevin Feige and Amy Pascal have confirmed it takes place after Endgame.

 

[JtheDreamer]

No.

Having Captain America in the past makes the main MCU timeline "branch" again. He assumed a different identity, spent a normal life and married Peggy. Let's call this alternate timeline: "PEGGY TIMELINE". In the Peggy Timeline, there was "a" Captain America buried in the ice and being awoken in 2012 as well. But it's not the MCU Captain America. It's the PEGGY TIMELINE Captain America.

That would cause a turd storm in the Peggy timeline if they found Captain America in the ice - since you know he was already living an open life with Peggy, which I'm sure wasn't on the hush. Did Captain America go and hide his own body? It presents all kinds of weird angles, some maybe a little too aggressive for a comic book movie.

Btw the way - how the hell is Cap gonna give back the Aether and not find himself in bad situation on Asgard? Then the soul stone ...... where did he put it? Presumably Red Skull was freed (just like in IW) after Hawkeye was awarded it. If he wasn't freed then it's basically Cap returning it to the man he vanquished and there's no spat?

Too many questions lingered after that Cap send-off. I know it was meant for feels, but I can't turn my mind off to accept it.

 

[gohei_]

In the Cap&Peggy timeline, Hank Pym will discover the Pym Particles. With one dose, old Cap can travel back to the main timeline, he still has his own time-travel device.

He can, but it will be a one-way trip.

 

[gohei_]

That would cause a turd storm in the Peggy timeline if they found Captain America in the ice - since you know he was already living an open life with Peggy, which I'm sure wasn't on the hush. Did Captain America go and hide his own body? It presents all kinds of weird angles, some maybe a little too aggressive for a comic book movie.

That's true, if someone finds out that there are indeed 2 Steve's then there will be confusion and questions I'm sure. But that's the way that they explained it all to work so.

 

[Detective Conan]

For those wondering how time travel works in the Marvel comics Universe they work similar to how the MCU does it in which one cannot actually affect change to their present or future if they were to change the course of history in the past --it would not prevent or alter something in their original timeline -- just create new separate timeline that exist parallel to their native reality.

So the MCU version of time-travel is actually comic accurate.

 

[MadVillainy]

Doesn't mean that it's good

 

[MagicalMe]

That would cause a turd storm in the Peggy timeline if they found Captain America in the ice - since you know he was already living an open life with Peggy, which I'm sure wasn't on the hush. Did Captain America go and hide his own body? It presents all kinds of weird angles, some maybe a little too aggressive for a comic book movie.

If you don't believe he lives the rest of his with Peggy in her basement then Cap will simply have murder everyone he comes into contact with. I get that that is quite a paradigm shift for the character but I feel like he's earned it after all the good he's done. It's not like he's going to be getting his hands on Mjolnir again anyway.

Btw the way - how the hell is Cap gonna give back the Aether and not find himself in bad situation on Asgard? Then the soul stone ...... where did he put it? Presumably Red Skull was freed (just like in IW) after Hawkeye was awarded it. If he wasn't freed then it's basically Cap returning it to the man he vanquished and there's no spat?

Too many questions lingered after that Cap send-off. I know it was meant for feels, but I can't turn my mind off to accept it.

Yeah, I feel like the journey Cap goes on in returning the stones and going back to Peggy would be a wonderful one to see but we kind of know how it ends now so it's probably never going to get put on film.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Spoiler

If they killed past Thanos, how are the events of IW not totally retconned away?

 

[samsnee]

Because according to Bruce, the past already happened so it can’t be changed.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Because according to Bruce, the past already happened so it can’t be changed.

That doesn’t make any sense. If you go back into the past, even just by being there it is creating a new timeline.

 

[samsnee]

Of course not but unfortunately until the writers come out with eventual interview of how they thought it worked, it’s all we have to go on.

 

[Mutant 77]

I agree with Supperhero's take on all of this. It's a pity the movie itself didn't try a bit harder to explain it more. That last scene with Rodgers messes with the logic they had established. And the scene with Banner and the Ancient One could have done with an extra sentence or two of exposition.

Yeah man, loud an clear. I feel like the Banner/Ancient scene could have been written better than that, far better.

That would cause a turd storm in the Peggy timeline if they found Captain America in the ice - since you know he was already living an open life with Peggy, which I'm sure wasn't on the hush. Did Captain America go and hide his own body? It presents all kinds of weird angles, some maybe a little too aggressive for a comic book movie.

I must confess that I don't remember Peggy's story at all.

 

[gohei_]

That doesn’t make any sense. If you go back into the past, even just by being there it is creating a new timeline.

You just answered it yourself. The old one is still the same.

 

[Ozbridge]

Spoiler

If they killed past Thanos, how are the events of IW not totally retconned away?

That doesn’t make any sense. If you go back into the past, even just by being there it is creating a new timeline.

Exactly. In this an alternative timeline which prime version of Nebula, Rhodey, Natasha and Clint traveled to from the prime universe, alternate version of Thanos, Nebula and Gamora in 2014 were brought to year 2023 in the prime universe. What happened in the prime universe from 2014 to 2023 is same as before, while in the alternative universe things changed starting from year 2014.

 

[Michel]

I think this needs posted on every page

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Little nitpick with this : according to Hulk, Cap must bring back the stones in their respective timelines at the same moment they were taken away. So (BT1, t5) = (BT1, t2). (BT2, t3) = (BT2, t2). (BT3, t3) = (BT2, t2). (BT4, t3) = (BT4, t2).

 

[Detective Conan]

That doesn’t make any sense. If you go back into the past, even just by being there it is creating a new timeline.

There are definitely inconsistencies in the logic of the movie's time travel but this should be pretty easy to grasp: The events of Infinity War were only retconned in that timeline where that Thanos came from not in the main timeline that we've been familiar with for over eleven years.

 

[Mutant 77]

For those wondering how time travel works in the Marvel comics Universe they work similar to how the MCU does it in which one cannot actually affect change to their present or future if they were to change the course of history in the past --it would not prevent or alter something in their original timeline -- just create new separate timeline that exist parallel to their native reality.

So the MCU version of time-travel is actually comic accurate.

They also suggested this at the very end of "Deadpool 2", when Deadpool travels across the multiverse and stumbles upon the "branched" version of the X-Men original timeline (X-Men Origins; X-Men; X2; The Last Stand; Logan), still existing out there.
Deadpool interacts with Barakapool.

 

[Kanon]

My only nitpick, and probably is something I missed is, Pym particles were needed to jump back and from timelines via the Quantim realm, and the "time GPS" to track origin and destination, and Nebula had particles for one trip, and one "GPS". Past Nebula use them to go to the future, and then how did she pulled Thanos from the past? Maybe she left the GPS and that wasn't needed to return, but what about the Pym particles?

 

[OroroGambitFan]

Time travel isn't real (as far as we know)!!! So they are free to make their own rules on how it works-- thing is what alot of people dont realize is that the way they chose to explain it isnt too unlike how scientist theorize it to be.

People are getting way too focused on that aspect of the movie and because Marvel did it in a way we dont normally see depicted in nonfiction so a small vocal group of people are having a hard time w that aspect and honestly that's too bad cuz going down that rabbit hole is pointless!

 

[Ozbridge]

My only nitpick, and probably is something I missed is, Pym particles were needed to jump back and from timelines via the Quantim realm, and the "time GPS" to track origin and destination, and Nebula had particles for one trip, and one "GPS". Past Nebula use them to go to the future, and then how did she pulled Thanos from the past? Maybe she left the GPS and that wasn't needed to return, but what about the Pym particles?

I agree that this could be a plot hole; they might explain later that Thanos had the gauntlet so he did some magic with the time stone or something like that (they wrote the script so they could make up the rules however they want). It will be a bit forced explanation but it's an insignificant point I think.

 

[MadVillainy]

Time travel isn't real (as far as we know)!!! So they are free to make their own rules on how it works-- thing is what alot of people dont realize is that the way they chose to explain it isnt too unlike how scientist theorize it to be.

Of course. But they set up rules and then didn't follow them

 

[LoganPool]

I think this needs posted on every page

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Thank you for this! I understand things SO much better now.

 

[Broseph44]

None of this is as “sloppy” or “mishandled” as some are making it out to be honestly but whatever. It’s not overly confusing.