Love this IMBD post about the Damage/Death Toll in MOS

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  1. Loki882

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    He sort of does, but without the pseudo-socialistic politics and anti-establishment philosophy, or at least to the same degree. What I find funny is that Superman is depicted frequently as a Christ-like figure, but he was created by two Jewish guys.
     
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    When Kal-el used his heat vision to cauterize Lois's wounds the second time they meet (they first meet as she is getting off the helicopter, and he is the worker taking her bags) he is not angry when using heat vision.
     
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  3. John Lambert

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    In Smallville he warns them to run. With Metropolis he goes to where he needs to to stop the problem, which is over the southern Indian Ocean. If people have not run away from a machine literally leveling buildings, then Superman telling them he is about to fight Zod won't help. Anyway, since he was ambushed by Zod, I am not sure how he would have warned people.
     
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  4. John Lambert

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    Well, the building they went through was entirely empty. I think the idea was meant to be all the buildings were empty. It is reasonable to assume that Perry would view DP as essential services, and so be slower to evacuate than in other buildings. So I think we are meant to assume all buildings were evacuated.

    The catch is that in MOS Zod is an intensive fighter, who does not give his enemy any chance, but attacks with full force. It is very different than Superman II, although even there it makes little sense than Superman is able to prevent all deaths, especially when he causes debris to rain down on people.
     
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  5. John Lambert

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    Other than the first few buildings that the World Engine leveled, I think the buildings were empty.
     
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  6. John Lambert

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    You misunderstand Zod's goals. Zod's goal is to kill and destroy humans. His goal is not to defeat Superman per se. So if Superman tries to "lure" Zod away, Zod will just go on a killing spree.

    Plus you ignore the fact that Superman put protecting the innocent first. He went after the World Engine as fast as he could. That saved billions of lives.
     
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  7. John Lambert

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    If he took the battle to the arctic, this would lead to even more complaints of "this is just a repeat of Superman II".
     
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  8. John Lambert

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    To be fair, Zod never threatened anywhere specifically. He threatened the entire earth. He does not move on Metropolis until he opens fire with the World Engine. People have no warning that Metropolis will be ground zero.
     
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  9. John Lambert

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    Does this Superman even have freeze breath? Did we ever see him use it at all? Maybe they decided such a power was just not realistic. We can't assume he has a power unless it is shown.
     
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    They want him to use his super-powerful cellophane throw S to stop the bad guys.
     
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  11. John Lambert

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    Well, once Superman disabled the World Engine in the Indian Ocean it ended the destruction in Metropolis as well. I got the impression that it was the world engine that was the main power behind the destruction.

    Also, technically, it was anti-terraforming. Terra forming is making something like earth. This was making earth not like earth.
     
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  12. John Lambert

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    Well, I think they did the actual filming in Chicago. I know in L&C they said Metropolis had 12 million people, and clearly made it northeast/maybe even east coast, and half the time were clearly making in a NYC stand in, but on other occasions they mentioned New York. In STM they filmed Metropolis in New York, and in Superman II we see the Statue of Liberty by Metropolis, if that does not make it NYC nothing would.

    However MOS draws some ideas from Smallville. So maybe they do want Metropolis to be Chicago. That would put Smallville and Metropolis in the same time zone. My biggest guess is they are undecided at this point.
     
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  13. John Lambert

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    One of your problems is that you are judging against other Superman films. Anyway, where would Superman ever have darted off in this film to save someone. He was dealing with equal strength enemies who believed in full court presses, not the slow, taunting, lets blow up one car at a time/don't go for the huge fuel tank enemies in Superman II.
     
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  14. John Lambert

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    Superman even did strategize. He sends his ally Lois Lane with the ship to get rid of the Kryptonians while he goes to the other side of the world to fight the World Engine. True, he does not coordinate with the police in Metropolis, but really, if someone should do that it is the military. There might be lack of planning, but we can't blame it on Superman.
     
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    But does Clark who worked so long as a grunt worker want to put so many people out of work by rebuilding?

    Two questions. A-was the Daily Planet one of the leveled buildings from the World Engine ray?

    B-If it was, why are we assuming that it was rebuilt. Just because Clark can show up at a building where the Daily Planet is operating, does not mean it is the same building it was in before.
     
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    It has been claimed they never filmed one line from Puzo's script. They might have been better off if they had. He had a much younger Clark running by Lois on the train.
     
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    They care more about Lois, because Lois is Lois. Although, this leads me to ask, why do people say "Superman did not save anyone", when he saved Lois 3 times.
     
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    In theory Puzo, although it had even more revisions and rewrites than STM. In STM much of the used script was done by the guy credited as a creative consultant.

    Did they keep in the scene of Clark trying to convince Lois that Superman was a fraud, just wirework or trampolines, or did that stay from the script into the film?
     
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    You're special.
     
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    By now,

    Everyone's seen the Info graphic about the destruction resulting from the
    battle in Metropolis

    You know

    [​IMG]


    Now that is pretty staggering, but as an alternative perspective
    what about THIS :

    Superman fails to stop Zod and Kryptonians from terraforming Earth
    (or Superman destroys world engine but fails to defeat Zod , who
    then exterminates humanity)

    confirmed dead : 7,000,000,000 + (entire human population, and probably
    entire animal/plant population)

    impact comparable to : Global Thermonuclear war

    economic cost: $195 quadrillion US dollars.
    ( $ 195, 000,000,000,000,000, look it up on Wikipedia)

    overall impact: Total destruction of absolutely everthing.

    What's the point ? Lesser of two evils baby !
     
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