The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[InCali]

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Kylo didn't say it though. Rey did. Kylo merely pushed her to voice what she already knew. So, I don't think it is a lie.

There is going to be some explanation of her parentage IMO. It may not be Luke, but to just leave her parentage without further exploration doesn't sound quite right. Even if you are right about what she already "knew", her "perception" at a young age could easily have been swayed by her perspective at the time although

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Luke might have been a drunk LOL

 

[BatLobster]

Heh, the drinking thing could be a Kenobi gene.

Yes I will still shamelessly cling to that theory.

 

[InCali]

Heh, the drinking thing could be a Kenobi gene.

Yes I will still shamelessly cling to that theory.

It's going to be something. Maybe she's a descendant of Mace (I don't think that, but put that in as an example of someone we know who was insanely powerful), but I feel quite sure it'll be someone we've heard about. Too bad she isn't green and really short......

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I agree. Luke made the wrong choice in not attempting to save Ben Solo; the film inasmuch tells us this. I think the film also indicates that saving Ben was also a lost cause. One of these SW things where destiny is inevitable. There's no wiggle room around Kylo Ren and his future. But Luke didn't have to turn his back on the galaxy because he screwed up.

He didn't just screw up, he made things infinitely worse playing the role of the wise, noble jedi hero.

And he's supposed to keep playing that role?

He realized that the force is bigger than any one person, no matter how noble your intentions when restoring balance, order and peace to the galaxy the force is there with different plans.

The fall of Anakin taught that lesson.

The fall of Ben taught that lesson.

At some point a holy person should realize it's futile to play God. And no one learned that more than Luke.

 

[InCali]

I thought it was fascinating that Rey was the one who admitted who they were. She's known all along. But she was a little girl when they left her, and she grew up trying to convince herself there was more because it was probably easier than dealing with knowing you were unloved and unwanted. It makes her scenes on Jakku, with her watching the ships come and go and scratching the days off on the wall even sadder when you know the truth.

Maz told her, the belonging she sought wasn't behind her, it was ahead of her. I think Kylo saw the truth, but she was the one who needed to let go of it.

I don't think there's anything more to her parents. At this point, I don't want there to be. Let her be her own person.

I don't think the writers will let it go at that.....search your feelings....

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think the writers will let it go at that.....search your feelings....

I have and I think they move on

 

[BatLobster]

I think let's just say, it's a good thing that this film got us to a point where we can go either way on her parents.

I went into TFA hoping we'd find out who she was in the film, with the assumption being that she's a Skywalker.

I went into TLJ with a whole crapload of theories haha, and they squashed it all...for now.

The beauty of it is I feel like I can accept it now either way, even though I know I'd still like to find out she as some type of connection to someone deep down. But if she's truly Rey Random, I'll accept that. I think the folks who are saying "no, she should absolutely not be anyone" shouldn't be so dogmatic about it as well. If JJ reveals something more in IX, it means it was decided a long time ago, and we just have to hope he can pull that off in a way that doesn't feel ham-fisted (IE Kahn).

 

[Spider-Fan]

I do not see any reason to revisit the plot point. We resolved her abandonment issue this film. There is no reason to bring it back up. Just move on to something else

 

[FunkMiller]

I think the end coda with broom boy tells us that they’ll leave Rey’s parentage as it is. The whole concept is that the force flows through others out there in the galaxy. That was the force awakening. Making Rey a random plays into that idea. You do t have to be in one family, or related to a Jedi to be force sensitive.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, I think you guys are probably right, but I think the idea still works and can still be true if Rey ends up somebody. Could be setting up Rian's standalone thing, which could be the next big Star Wars thing if they let the saga rest (or just downright end).

However, if Rey IS Random and the idea they're pushing in IX is going to be these other force sensitive kids out there...I can probably interpret the whole "Force awakening" thing as some type of result of Anakin having brought balance to the Force. Gives it a little bit of connective tissue.

I'm gonna be OCD about this one way or another! I love the message of the film, but I still love and appreciate having deep connections throughout the saga and I think it's important to cater to that as well. That's why this is 'THE' episodic saga and not the stand alones.

 

[gohei_]

I have no problem with her being a total random person. I do however wished they gave her the Revan treatment, with her actually being a trained jedi/force user but somehow had her memories and even abilities taken away.
That would explain how and why she seems so adept at wielding a lightsaber and (in this movie) pretty decent at using the force in general.

 

[Spider-Fan]

People's vision of Star Wars I feel is too narrow. The Jedi existed long before the Skywalkers. I just don't see why everyone wants to force every movie to be about a Skywalker. You're just recycling things if it is only 1 family. Also in this case, there is a Skywalker...Ben Solo. He is Leia's son. He is just a villain, which is a change

 

[writer0327]

He didn't just screw up, he made things infinitely worse playing the role of the wise, noble jedi hero.

And he's supposed to keep playing that role?

He realized that the force is bigger than any one person, no matter how noble your intentions when restoring balance, order and peace to the galaxy the force is there with different plans.

The fall of Anakin taught that lesson.

The fall of Ben taught that lesson.

At some point a holy person should realize it's futile to play God. And no one learned that more than Luke.

Yoda indicated that it was the wrong move. He should have endured.

 

[writer0327]

People's vision of Star Wars I feel is too narrow. The Jedi existed long before the Skywalkers. I just don't see why everyone wants to force every movie to be about a Skywalker. You're just recycling things if it is only 1 family. Also in this case, there is a Skywalker...Ben Solo. He is Leia's son. He is just a villain, which is a change

Well, we've had a villain Skywalker before, but the difference here is Kylo is not just a villain, he's the Supreme Leader. He gets to shape the galaxy in his own image, after his own design. This should be fun.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, we've had a villain Skywalker before, but the difference here is Kylo is not just a villain, he's the Supreme Leader. He gets to shape the galaxy in his own image, after his own design. This should be fun.

Vader OT for sure. For 85% of the PT, Anakin was a hero. But agreed. I just do not see why they have to be the center of everything. That to me is just not variety. It just makes the galaxy feel small

 

[SomeOldGuy]

He didn't just screw up, he made things infinitely worse playing the role of the wise, noble jedi hero.

And he's supposed to keep playing that role?

He realized that the force is bigger than any one person, no matter how noble your intentions when restoring balance, order and peace to the galaxy the force is there with different plans.

The fall of Anakin taught that lesson.

The fall of Ben taught that lesson.

At some point a holy person should realize it's futile to play God. And no one learned that more than Luke.

There’s also the problem that had Luke hung around post-temple-burning, he inevitably would have been faced with having to kill, or try to kill, his nephew, which he clearly didn’t want to do. My sister has three kids, so I can grok that. I agree: Luke exiled himself before he could do any more damage.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Yoda indicated that it was the wrong move. He should have endured.

Yoda agreed that the jedi order only ends up helping the Sith. Which is why he uses lightning to burn down the jedi tree temple.

But he also realized the resistence was on its last legs and it needed Luke to survive at that moment.

 

[BatLobster]

Vader OT for sure. For 85% of the PT, Anakin was a hero. But agreed. I just do not see why they have to be the center of everything. That to me is just not variety. It just makes the galaxy feel small

Yes, the galaxy is large. That's why I'm so excited by the idea of Rian Johnson's stand alone trilogy with a fresh, clean slate. But the episodic saga, since 1980, has been about a story about a family. That's the central thread that's connecting these films. However, that thread could end with Ben Solo, and if that's the case I'm prepared to accept that.

I'm totally willing to accept Rey not being a Skywalker or anybody else, but I hope she'll at find her last name (or take one) by the end of the saga. She deserves better than to be called "Rey Random" by fans forever.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't think she needs a last name. Rey is fine lol.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Also, I'm not arguing that Luke should've let the First Order wipe out the resistence but he had a good reason for thinking his jedi antics ultimately play into the Sith's hands.

 

[BatLobster]

It's bothered me since TFA, haha.

"Poe Dameron"...cool sounding name.

Then you get "Rey" and "Finn".

 

[Herolee10]

People's vision of Star Wars I feel is too narrow. The Jedi existed long before the Skywalkers. I just don't see why everyone wants to force every movie to be about a Skywalker. You're just recycling things if it is only 1 family. Also in this case, there is a Skywalker...Ben Solo. He is Leia's son. He is just a villain, which is a change

The last two trilogies have been about the Skywalkers. The whole history of the Jedi and their mythology came after the Skywalker legacy was introduced.

Plus, we have the anthology film's (i.e. Rogue One, Solo, etc) to focus on other characters as well.

Now I get that there must come a time where the story of the Skywalkers must come to a end in order for a new generation of heroes to take its place but the fact that they had to do so by presenting the Skywalker family as more of a scourge to the Star Wars universe is very disheartening.

To conclude the story of Luke Skywalker, a hero that a lot of people grew up with as they watched his journey unfold in the OT, in such a depressing manner where he was never able to get his l8fe back in order feels like a insult.

And to have Kylo be the last of the Skywalker Legacy and end it on a villainous note is even worse imho.

I mean what is the point of looking back at the OT now when you know that their the hard earned victory and celebration at the end of ROTJ is just going to end in ruins, where all three die a tragic death and where none of them were able to make a real long lasting positive difference to the Star Wars universe?

 

[BatLobster]

I think by having Luke go out as probably the greatest Jedi legend of all time who saved the Resistance in their bleakest moment with an unprecedented display of Force ability, that does kind of work as a satisfying way to send off the Skywalker saga even if there's still a rotten nephew out there. Luke may not have gotten to successfully rebuild the Jedi order, but he at least certainly lights a huge spark for the light side there that will reverberate for generations.

But it certainly doesn't creatively box them into anything. I truly think Rian Johnson has given JJ absolute freedom to end this story however he sees fit.

 

[FunkMiller]

I think by having Luke go out as probably the greatest Jedi legend of all time who saved the Resistance in their bleakest moment with an unprecedented display of Force ability, that does kind of work as a satisfying way to send off the Skywalker saga even if there's still a rotten nephew out there. Luke may not have gotten to successfully rebuild the Jedi order, but he at least certainly lights a huge spark for the light side there that will reverberate for generations.

But it certainly doesn't creatively box them into anything. I truly think Rian Johnson has given JJ absolute freedom to end this story however he sees fit.

Okay... here’s a wild theory for you:

Maybe Luke isn’t done. Maybe force projecting himself across the galaxy won’t be the most incredible use of his powers. Maybe Yoda striking the tree with lightning is meant to show us just how much a force ghost can influence the physical world.

Maybe Luke will be in Episode 9, and not just as a blue glowing ghost who imparts knowledge and advice. Maybe he’ll breach the barrier between the living and the dead, and have a real, tangible impact on what happens in the final chapter.

Or not t:

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Luke's final effort is really insignificant in comparison to what he did in the OT, not in terms of Force power but how it directly shaped the galaxy then and there. The OT feats were not only helped in legend by the enormous effect, you had tons and tons of people on his side to spread it.

Now we had an event that only a shipful of people witnessed and got to spread. If a handful of people could spread a legend that quickly then there must be tons of them out there that people just made up. It just doesn't have any of the satisfying punch of the character of the OT. It wasn't epic, it was a powerful force effect that ultimately felt small.

As for wanting all Star Wars movies to be about the Skywalkers that's not true for many people I think. The Saga has this far been specifically about that line though so that's what people still like to see. And if not for eternity then at least to the point of a fully satisfying goodbye.