The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[Spider-Fan]

The last two trilogies have been about the Skywalkers. The whole history of the Jedi and their mythology came after the Skywalker legacy was introduced.

Plus, we have the anthology film's (i.e. Rogue One, Solo, etc) to focus on other characters as well.

Now I get that there must come a time where the story of the Skywalkers must come to a end in order for a new generation of heroes to take its place but the fact that they had to do so by presenting the Skywalker family as more of a scourge to the Star Wars universe is very disheartening.

To conclude the story of Luke Skywalker, a hero that a lot of people grew up with as they watched his journey unfold in the OT, in such a depressing manner where he was never able to get his l8fe back in order feels like a insult.

And to have Kylo be the last of the Skywalker Legacy and end it on a villainous note is even worse imho.

I mean what is the point of looking back at the OT now when you know that their the hard earned victory and celebration at the end of ROTJ is just going to end in ruins, where all three die a tragic death and where none of them were able to make a real long lasting positive difference to the Star Wars universe?

I don't have the energy to argue this right now, so I am going to say I vehemently disagree with everything in this post. I would like to see the series have more originality than constantly telling the same story with a different guy named Skywalker or girl for that matter. I would rather we get new characters to focus on and just go from there. I see more originality and potential in that, then it always coming back to the Skywalkers.

 

[InCali]

People's vision of Star Wars I feel is too narrow. The Jedi existed long before the Skywalkers. I just don't see why everyone wants to force every movie to be about a Skywalker. You're just recycling things if it is only 1 family. Also in this case, there is a Skywalker...Ben Solo. He is Leia's son. He is just a villain, which is a change

I doubt I ever said she needed to be related to a Skywalker because I don't think it's necessary at all. She doesn't "need" to be related to anyone. I just don't "think" they'll leave it as is. That's all. Maybe I've been reading Tolkien too long (probably true), but I don't think they leave that hanging.

 

[InCali]

I don't have the energy to argue this right now, so I am going to say I vehemently disagree with everything in this post. I would like to see the series have more originality than constantly telling the same story with a different guy named Skywalker or girl for that matter. I would rather we get new characters to focus on and just go from there. I see more originality and potential in that, then it always coming back to the Skywalkers.

Agreed.

But she's got to be his daughter.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

If they don't want to make movies about the Skywalkers they could just stop doing the numbered Saga movies. Make movies with names like other movies, just naming them Star Wars and what they are. Do your Rogue Ones, Rian's new trilogy, etc, but dare to rely on that the Star Wars brand is strong enough if the movies are good.

Keeping the numbers and throwing away what it's been about has a real cash grab feel.

 

[DCnightwing23]

Spoiler

I really feel like they got really close to a conceptually brilliant idea with Luke vs Snoke &. Kylo. In the movie Luke reveals he’s blocked himself out from the force entirely after what had happened to him and Kylo. However, I feel his could’ve been used to a much greater extent that could have introduced us to the traditional Luke we’re used to.

What if Snoke, having revealed to have the ability to meld Rey and Kylo together with the force in the movie, had found a way to push Luke outside of the force after the events at his training temple with Kylo. He then goes looking for the first Jedi temple as a way to find a way back to the force.

This would help explain why he created a map in the first place. He wanted there to be a way to communicate with Leia and the rebellion while he was far away trying to connect with the force again. This also would explain why he wasn’t able to feel Hans death within the force and the reveal to him from Rey would carry much more weight to it. This could have ultimately led to a final showdown between Luke and Snoke using their respective force abilities to fight one another. Luke would have still felt defeated, powerless in a way, but still wanting to regain his connection within the force to help his family and the rebellion take on the sith and the first order.

The idea of Snoke being so powerful he was able to meld Rey and Kylo together with the force to manipulate her opens a lot of possibilities and capabilities he may have, and the idea that Luke blocked himself from the force entirely is terrific but poorly executed and was ultimately used to write Luke as this weak character that was afraid and gave up. Just a little tweaking could have made a much more compelling story that made Force Awakens and The Last Jedi mesh together just a bit better imo.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The last two trilogies have been about the Skywalkers. The whole history of the Jedi and their mythology came after the Skywalker legacy was introduced.

Plus, we have the anthology film's (i.e. Rogue One, Solo, etc) to focus on other characters as well.

Now I get that there must come a time where the story of the Skywalkers must come to a end in order for a new generation of heroes to take its place but the fact that they had to do so by presenting the Skywalker family as more of a scourge to the Star Wars universe is very disheartening.

To conclude the story of Luke Skywalker, a hero that a lot of people grew up with as they watched his journey unfold in the OT, in such a depressing manner where he was never able to get his l8fe back in order feels like a insult.

And to have Kylo be the last of the Skywalker Legacy and end it on a villainous note is even worse imho.

I mean what is the point of looking back at the OT now when you know that their the hard earned victory and celebration at the end of ROTJ is just going to end in ruins, where all three die a tragic death and where none of them were able to make a real long lasting positive difference to the Star Wars universe?

Leia and Luke have bailed out the resistence many times.

But fascism doesn't sleep for long, especially in the SW universe.

Lasting peace is an illusion as long as the dark side exist and it must exist to keep the force in balance.

 

[Romannen]

If they don't want to make movies about the Skywalkers they could just stop doing the numbered Saga movies.

That was always the intention. They just wanted to ease into it.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Luke's final effort is really insignificant in comparison to what he did in the OT, not in terms of Force power but how it directly shaped the galaxy then and there. The OT feats were not only helped in legend by the enormous effect, you had tons and tons of people on his side to spread it.

Now we had an event that only a shipful of people witnessed and got to spread. If a handful of people could spread a legend that quickly then there must be tons of them out there that people just made up. It just doesn't have any of the satisfying punch of the character of the OT. It wasn't epic, it was a powerful force effect that ultimately felt small.

As for wanting all Star Wars movies to be about the Skywalkers that's not true for many people I think. The Saga has this far been specifically about that line though so that's what people still like to see. And if not for eternity then at least to the point of a fully satisfying goodbye.

Fireworks after Snoke is thrown down a shaft by stoic badass Luke in episode 9 probably would've made the angry fanboys squeal with joy.

Too bad that adds nothing to the Skywalker legacy and mythos.

Tragedy, failure, desperation, shame, hopelessness, etc ironically adds much more because that's when we need to look in the mirror and see Luke Skywalker the most.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

If they don't want to make movies about the Skywalkers they could just stop doing the numbered Saga movies. Make movies with names like other movies, just naming them Star Wars and what they are. Do your Rogue Ones, Rian's new trilogy, etc, but dare to rely on that the Star Wars brand is strong enough if the movies are good.

Keeping the numbers and throwing away what it's been about has a real cash grab feel.

It's about closure and transition.

And safe, uncontroversial fanservice would smell more cash grabby to me.

 

[Herolee10]

Fireworks after Snoke is thrown down a shaft by stoic badass Luke in episode 9 probably would've made the angry fanboys squeal with joy.

Too bad that adds nothing to the Skywalker legacy and mythos.

Tragedy, failure, desperation, shame, hopelessness, etc ironically adds much more because that's when we need to look in the mirror and see Luke Skywalker the most.

So you want people to be reminded of Luke when they are feeling hopeless over their own mistakes like how he was feeling? Not exactly an inspirational moment there.lol

I honestly can't believe, if not, refuse to accept that concluding the Skywalker story on such a depressing note was the best route that they could have taken

Now let me reiterate that there is nothing wrong with the concept of Luke having experienced several failures in his life.

But to end his story before he had a chance to correct some of that is just depressing. Not to mention that he was the inciting incident that led to his nephew's final push into Snoke's hands.

 

[InCali]

So you want people to be reminded of Luke when they are feeling hopeless over their own mistakes like how he was feeling? Not exactly an inspirational moment there.lol

I honestly can't believe, if not, refuse to accept that concluding the Skywalker story on such a depressing note was the best route that they could have taken

Now let me reiterate that there is nothing wrong with the concept of Luke having experienced several failures in his life.

But to end his story before he had a chance to correct some of that is just depressing. Not to mention that he was the inciting incident that led to his nephew's final push into Snoke's hands.

I don't have a problem with Luke spending everything to give the resistance a chance. Perhaps he saw it as a better path than the one (training Jedi) he tried before; to hand it over to others (including Rey). I don't see why people have a problem with this.

Plus, his role may not have been completely played out.

Relax folks.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So you want people to be reminded of Luke when they are feeling hopeless over their own mistakes like how he was feeling? Not exactly an inspirational moment there.lol

I honestly can't believe, if not, refuse to accept that concluding the Skywalker story on such a depressing note was the best route that they could have taken

Now let me reiterate that there is nothing wrong with the concept of Luke having experienced several failures in his life.

But to end his story before he had a chance to correct some of that is just depressing. Not to mention that he was the inciting incident that led to his nephew's final push into Snoke's hands.

Being part of a resistence isn't all puppies and ice cream.

We've seen Luke cheesing while getting a medal for saving the galaxy.

We've seen Luke with dancing ewoks and fireworks after saving the galaxy.

But in truth is these moments are fleeting, the battle between light and dark is never ending, and the resistence will always end up fighting an uphill battle.

But even when your glory days are behind you and your hitting rock bottom, there is hope and just keeping that spark could end up blowing up a death star or taking down the First Order.

That speaks to those of us who can't be saviors of the galaxy endless times but still want to make an impact.

 

[C. Lee]

The movies have shown that resisting the dark side is a never ending struggle. That has to really get old after a few decades. No wonder Luke cut himself off from the Force.

 

[Leenie]

He died to give the Resistance crew a chance to escape (a mere chance to escape, not even to prevail in battle, win the day, but just get out of there with their lives).

He friggin' spiritual-projection-kamikazed himself to save other people! What are you even talking about? t:

C'mon now.

Read the rest of my post. I think I explained myself pretty darn well.

I think the projection was entirely lame and it was the bare minimum of what Luke could have done at that point. The movie copped out. I maintain the scene would have been more poignant had he actually been in there in person.

 

[writer0327]

The movies have shown that resisting the dark side is a never ending struggle. That has to really get old after a few decades. No wonder Luke cut himself off from the Force.

Is it really? The only ones we see struggling with this is the Skywalker family. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, other Jedi we've seen, no problems really.

Maybe the Skywalker family is just cursed with this problem of good and evil because of their unnatural origins.

 

[Wise]

Is it really? The only ones we see struggling with this is the Skywalker family. Yoda, Obi-Wan, Qui-Gon, other Jedi we've seen, no problems really.

Maybe the Skywalker family is just cursed with this problem of good and evil because of their unnatural origins.

This is true. Qui Gon was using his powers to cheat shopkeepers and rig dice games in the hood and he never got tempted by the dark side.

 

[writer0327]

This is true. Qui Gon was using his powers to cheat shopkeepers and rig dice games in the hood and he never got tempted by the dark side.

It kinda makes sense, doesn't it? For the Skywalkers to have this never-ending struggle between light and dark?

If they were created by the Force itself (midichlorians, or whatever) and the Force is divided into Light and Dark sides, then it would stand to reason that any offspring of the Force would be equally conflicted.

 

[Aximili86]

Back to the parents stuff?

Didn't Rian just say as far as he's concerned what Ben told Rey was the truth? At least Kylo was being honest/sincere? I guess there's a little wiggle room in that maybe Snoke hadn't filled Ben in on the whole picture, that seems awfully convoluted though.

It's a better message as it is in the movie, anyway. That even "nobodies" can do great things, be a part of the cosmic plan. Obi wasn't "somebody" until he was, either.

 

[Herolee10]

It's a better message as it is in the movie, anyway. That even "nobodies" can do great things, be a part of the cosmic plan. Obi wasn't "somebody" until he was, either.

It's not so much the concept of a "nobody" being capable of doing great things that bugs people but the fact that Rey went from being a simple scavenger to someone that's considered to be Kylo's equal when it comes to her usage in the force and ability to wield a lightsaber within barely a month's worth.

Obi-Wan and every other major Jedi character that we've seen had to invest several years of hard work before they became proficient force wielders yet Rey is able to do so within an unrealistically short amount of time.

Her current skills set pretty much devalues the hard work of all of those that have come before her, Jedi Knight or Sith.

And to present her as the person that's going to carry the torch next just makes it more aggravating because just like Luke's death in this film, Rey as a character hasn't earned that right.

 

[Snakewise]

I don't see what the big problem with Rey is. As Snoke says in the movie, as Kylo becomes more powerful in the darkside, the Force balances it out with an equally powerful champion of the light. Sounds good to me.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't see what the big problem with Rey is. As Snoke says in the movie, as Kylo becomes more powerful in the darkside, the Force balances it out with an equally powerful champion of the light. Sounds good to me.

It's one thing to be powerful in the force and another to actually LEARN on how to wield and use it.

If one became strong in the force simply with the passage of time without the need of any proper training then Luke should have mopped the floor against Darth Vader in their first duel.

What's the point of needing a Jedi Master if a person can just teach themselves on how to become a Jedi Knight/Sith Lord on their own?

 

[Kev4000]

I don't see what the big problem with Rey is. As Snoke says in the movie, as Kylo becomes more powerful in the darkside, the Force balances it out with an equally powerful champion of the light. Sounds good to me.

The Problem is with that Argument nobody has to react anymore because the force will kill all the evil ones to reach equally again.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

"A Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him..."

"You mean it controls your actions?"

"Partially... But it also obeys your commands."

 

[Herolee10]

"A Jedi can feel the Force flowing through him..."

"You mean it controls your actions?"

"Partially... But it also obeys your commands."

A Jedi can feel the force and all but without proper training one shouldn't be able to use it to its full extent.

I would never expect Luke from "ANH" to be capable of taking on Darth Maul if he only had the same amount of time that Rey had when it came to being acquainted with the Force and he's the guy that's supposed to have the same potential as that of the Chosen One.

I feel like some people are just using Rey's potential as a Jedi Knight (which I have no problem in them saying that she is powerful in the force despite not coming from any special lineage) as an excuse to justify her being as skilled as she is despite her lack of training.

 

[Aximili86]

Again, prior to The Last Jedi there's nothing really indicating Luke's all that uber-force-supreme special. Vader was basically toying with him in ESB and not trying to kill him.

Rey, from her first movie, is set up as being something new, she's more like Anakin in that she's special, like Kylo. Those two just aren't "chosen ones" in the same sense - only maybe they are? Could be revealed in IX somehow I guess, it wouldn't negate Rey's random parents, just that the force bore a child of two randoms instead of one like Schmi. Now yeah, we just found out Luke's a big honkin' force-powers deal too, but honestly we didn't know that a week ago.