The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[Orba]

No it's not a very safe bet.

Lmao.

One created Star Wars, the force and jedi. The other reads a script.

Actors, directors, writers, etc all have unique opinions about what the characters would or should do.

There's no right answer or single answer.

You do wonder how many of the people that point at Hamill as the authority on Luke also scream about how Lucas destroyed the Star Wars series with his ideas in the PT.

 

[danoyse]

You do wonder how many of the people that point at Hamill as the authority on Luke also scream about how Lucas destroyed the Star Wars series with his ideas in the PT.

I am beginning to wonder how many people really remember how much hate the prequels got back when they first came out....

 

[Sithborg]

I mean, Lucas hated ESB. So...

 

[InCali]

See, any decent movie wouldn't have left you having to make that stuff up out of thin air as an excuse to defend the movie. A good movie in fact would have explained that and the many other holes in the film, amongst many other things

That's silly. There are a LOT of good movies that don't spell everything out to you.

Personally, I don't need a movie that gives me a color by the numbers effect.

 

[danoyse]

See, any decent movie wouldn't have left you having to make that stuff up out of thin air as an excuse to defend the movie. A good movie in fact would have explained that and the many other holes in the film, amongst many other things

That's exactly the point of the Force.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I am beginning to wonder how many people really remember how much hate the prequels got back when they first came out....

The revisionism is already ramping up.

Apparently ROTS is a masterpiece that puts the Disney films to shame now...

According to some on IGN.

 

[InCali]

I am beginning to wonder how many people really remember how much hate the prequels got back when they first came out....

Are you an angel? They're the most beautiful creatures in the universe.

I'm a pilot, you know, and someday I'm going to fly away from this place.

I'm a person and my name is Anakin.



I hate to just pick on one person, but, uh....excuse me.....




All better.....yeah, I remember.....

 

[danoyse]

Are you an angel? They're the most beautiful creatures in the universe.

I'm a pilot, you know, and someday I'm going to fly away from this place.

I'm a person and my name is Anakin.



I hate to just pick on one person, but, uh....excuse me.....




All better.....yeah, I remember.....

Then all of the fans dunked on the 10-year-old himself, rather than on Lucas for casting him and writing him that terrible dialogue.

I also remember The Sixth Sense coming out later that summer, and fandom losing their minds again when it was revealed that Haley Joel Osment auditioned for Anakin and didn't get the part, and the fandom jumped on Lucas for screwing up there too.

If folks aren't old enough to remember how cruel online fandom was in 1999, oh they haven't lived.

I'm seeing a weird fondness for the prequel era now that really didn't exist back then.

 

[danoyse]

Hell, now that I think of it, I remember fandom getting pissed at Ewan McGregor about year BEFORE the movie came out, because he claimed filming it was boring. People even wanted him replaced.

...except that filming SW probably is pretty boring because it's all green screens and special effects and waiting around all day for a shot to be ready. I read a story about Harrison Ford charging into a producers office during the filming of one of the movies, after he and Carrie sat on the set all day and wound up not shooting a thing, and telling the producer, "I want this day back at the end of my life!"

SW fandom can be insufferable.

 

[InCali]

Then all of the fans dunked on the 10-year-old himself, rather than on Lucas for casting him and writing him that terrible dialogue.

I also remember The Sixth Sense coming out later that summer, and fandom losing their minds again when it was revealed that Haley Joel Osment auditioned for Anakin and didn't get the part, and the fandom jumped on Lucas for screwing up there too.

If folks aren't old enough to remember how cruel online fandom was in 1999, oh they haven't lived.

I'm seeing a weird fondness for the prequel era now that really didn't exist back then.

Yeah. TBH, I felt kind of bad for that guy. He was just a little kid and, really, it wasn't his fault. TPM could have been a really cool movie. It had all the requisite parts and some damn fine actors.

EDIT: I didn't cut loose on the kid, but, man, watching that mess on screen was BRUTAL.

 

[InCali]

Hell, now that I think of it, I remember fandom getting pissed at Ewan McGregor about year BEFORE the movie came out, because he claimed filming it was boring. People even wanted him replaced.

...except that filming SW probably is pretty boring because it's all green screens and special effects and waiting around all day for a shot to be ready. I read a story about Harrison Ford charging into a producers office during the filming of one of the movies, after he and Carrie sat on the set all day and wound up not shooting a thing, and telling the producer, "I want this day back at the end of my life!"

SW fandom can be insufferable.

I'm sure they found something else to do and I'll bet Harrison really didn't want the day back.

 

[danoyse]

Yeah. TBH, I felt kind of bad for that guy. He was just a little kid and, really, it wasn't his fault. TPM could have been a really cool movie. It had all the requisite parts and some damn fine actors.

I him at the first SW Celebration. He was just a little kid. His whole family was there, and they were all flipping out in the audience when he was on stage answering questions, and it was really sweet. They seemed like a very nice, normal family. And their kid was in Star Wars, how cool is that?

I don't think he was ever the strongest actor, but it's so gross what people did to him when that movie came out. There's no reason for it, I don't care what anyone thought of the movie.

 

[danoyse]

I'm sure they found something else to do and I'll bet Harrison really didn't want the day back.

I recall it was Carrie who told that story. They literally sat around on set for about 12 hours, in costume, ready to go...and never filmed a thing.

 

[InCali]

I recall it was Carrie who told that story. They literally sat around on set for about 12 hours, in costume, ready to go...and never filmed a thing.

And you know what? I'd give a day of my life to sit around all day with her and shoot the $#!T. Preferably one of the ones when I'm a lot older and miserable. LOL.

 

[danoyse]

And you know what? I'd give a day of my life to sit around all day with her and shoot the $#!T. Preferably one of the ones when I'm a lot older and miserable. LOL.

I saw her on Broadway in Wishful Drinking. She was amazing. I miss her so much.

When I was a kid, I read something in Starlog from around the time ROTJ came out, and she said she thought after 3 movies, she wanted a few scenes where Leia can just be stereotypically femaie...her suggestions included a mall planet, a scene where she's giving orders while making dinner, or just giving her a girlfriend so they can call each other and talk about how cute Han is.

I loved seeing Holdo because they finally gave her the girlfriend.

 

[Patchwork Man]

None of 'em! Denny O'Neill is the answer

I love Denny's work on Batman and (more so) Daredevil.

But we can't discount what Moench, Dixon, Miller and even Scott Snyder have brought to the table.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

See, any decent movie wouldn't have left you having to make that stuff up out of thin air as an excuse to defend the movie. A good movie in fact would have explained that and the many other holes in the film, amongst many other things

Eh... This is something obvious to anyone willing to understand that there doesn't need to be an exposition dump or a spoon feeding of information in a movie.

I ironically find that those online that scream loudest about "show don't tell" are the first to find fault in films that do just that, and then try to pound home that there is a plot hole.

 

[Orba]

Eh... This is something obvious to anyone willing to understand that there doesn't need to be an exposition dump or a spoon feeding of information in a movie.

I ironically find that those online that scream loudest about "show don't tell" are the first to find fault in films that do just that, and then try to pound home that there is a plot hole.

People do seem to have a desire to have everything explained to them these day.

What was in the case in Pulp Fiction?
What caused time to repeat in Groundhog Day?
What was in the Fed Ex box in Castaway?
Was Deckard a replicant?
How do you use the three shells?

 

[KingCheops]

How do you use the three shells?

Probably the most pressing question to ever be raised in sci-fi. Love that movie.

 

[InCali]

People do seem to have a desire to have everything explained to them these day.

What was in the case in Pulp Fiction?
What caused time to repeat in Groundhog Day?
What was in the Fed Ex box in Castaway?
Was Deckard a replicant?
How do you use the three shells?

The top stopped spinning. Just wanted you to know.

 

[TheVileOne]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OONALPqf3X8

Here are more comments from Hamill that show a lot of his statements about the film are being taken out of context.

 

[Longshot777]

Luke grew up plain and simple. He realized the Jedi are as flawed as the Sith.

And the never ending battle continues weather he is there or not. That along with Snoke's possibly may even more powerful than Sidious and Kylo Ren potentially even more powerful then Luke simply had enough.

And sorry, while PT has a good story, TFA and TLJ destroys them. GL is hack who created the GREATEST Star Wars but after that the story evolved to be bigger than him.

The creation of Jar Jar alone shows how bad GL is out of touch.

GL contradicts himself all the time LIKE saying Sidious is very powerful it takes someone like Yoda or Mace to compete with him......TO Saying......Grevious is that weak cowardly character like Sidious!!! What???!!!!

Thank you Disney for taking GL's power away from his great creations.

Disney understands that a powerful villain makes a great hero. Hence Snoke's obvious all powerful might with the Force and Sidious' all powerful display against Maul and his brother in the Clone Wars.

Disney gave Luke maturity knowing Sith and Jedi are the same just like in reality where good and evil is not that clear cut.

 

[dax]

Luke grew up plain and simple. He realized the Jedi are as flawed as the Sith.

And the never ending battle continues weather he is there or not. That along with Snoke's possibly may even more powerful than Sidious and Kylo Ren potentially even more powerful then Luke simply had enough.

And sorry, while PT has a good story, TFA and TLJ destroys them. GL is hack who created the GREATEST Star Wars but after that the story evolved to be bigger than him.

The creation of Jar Jar alone shows how bad GL is out of touch.

GL contradicts himself all the time LIKE saying Sidious is very powerful it takes someone like Yoda or Mace to compete with him......TO Saying......Grevious is that weak cowardly character like Sidious!!! What???!!!!

Thank you Disney for taking GL's power away from his great creations.

Disney understands that a powerful villain makes a great hero. Hence Snoke's obvious all powerful might with the Force and Sidious' all powerful display against Maul and his brother in the Clone Wars.

Disney gave Luke maturity knowing Sith and Jedi are the same just like in reality where good and evil is not that clear cut.

Are you kidding me?
Disney made Luke into a cowardly idiot who caused the 2nd galactic civil war to happen. He didn't learn from the mistakes he made in Empire Strikes Back that costed him his hand which is like Yoda said, "Always in motion is the future". You'd think that he would know the difference between visions and reality because he shouldn't have jumped the gun in assuming that Ben Solo would turn evil without any proof nor should he have pulled his lightsaber on him while Ben was sleeping. It is due to that epic screwup that Ben became Kylo Ren, killed all of Luke's students, and helped Snoke lead the First Order. Luke is old and wise enough to NOT make that kind of blunder nor would he turned his back on his friends, family, and the galaxy at large. Mark Hamill was right to disagree with the way Luke is being portrayed in both TFA and TLJ because that is NOT Luke Skywalker, that is Obi-wan 2.0.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

I wasn't a fan of "Jake" Skywalker.

 

[Flemm]

Luke grew up plain and simple. He realized the Jedi are as flawed as the Sith.

There's really nothing mature about lazy nihilism and false equivalences between people who are flawed and actively oppress other people, on the one hand, and people who are flawed and try to stand up for the weak and vulnerable, on the other.

Fortunately, that is not the movie's message, at least I don't think so.

It's a redemption story, with Luke finally deciding, "I will not be The Last Jedi."

However, it comes close enough to declaring that everything is futile, and that all sides in the conflict are the same, to apparently send that message to some people in the audience.

I've seen a couple of articles arguing that the message is basically that everything is futile, so why bother? Which I don't think is accurate, but there are some elements that head in that direction.