BvS Man of steel's battle ranked #1 of 2013

[smallville fan]

This film...is not Superman at his full glory. Flaws with this film aside, the whole point of the film was showing him on the road to his full glory.

What I meant was Superman actually fighting a bad guy like he normally would in the comics/cartoons/animated movies which is good progress.

 

[DA_Champion]

Wow, we're really off topic here, as this is an MOS thread really.

Like I said before, the battle of Smallville is the best battle this year, IMO.

I think it's cool that Pacific Rim is getting some discussion, if anyone out there starts a thread, I'm in !

Now, to reply to your comment:

Dude, one of the best things about Pacific Rim is that it delivers exactly what it promises, giant robots punching giant monsters, a few laughs, and that's about it.
The characters are total stock, and if you listen to GDT's commentary, he says it's essentially a sports movie - complete with all the clichés.

You are totally correct that it is not an original work, it's a pastiche of the mecha/kaiju and a bunch of other anime genre pieces brought together on film. It borrows unabashedly, listen to GDT's commentary man he is straight up about it,
it's an homage (he even thanks Harryhausen at the end of the credits) to monster and giant robot films. But, despite all that, it really, really works !

It doesn't pretend to be a character drama or anything else, which is why it works so well and we can suspend disbelief on the outrageous silliness of the whole concept.

You are dead-right that this was written for 10-year-old boys, but in particular for the 10 year old boys lurking inside everyone (especially GDT, he loved making it !)

This is not to sound condescending or disrespectful, but didn't your inner 10-year-old enjoy it ?

I might be mis-reading your post but you sound almost like you feel cheated by PR.

Personally, I found it immensely satisfying, one of the ultimate guilty-pleasure films . The reason it's so satisfying is that it promises giant robot vs giant monster action, and a little bit of story, and that's it.....which is precisely what it delivers ! Yayyyy ! No pretensions there at all, which is why it's my favourite GDT mainstream film.

So perhaps people aren't suggesting you don't have a soul, I'm sure you do. But be honest dude, didn't your inner-10-year old enjoy the film ?

Come on, even a little bit ? I bet you did, come on, admit it.

There's a Pacific Rim thread in the "Misc" forum.

As for the movie, I dug a few scenes, I liked the musical score, but overall found the movie mediocre, partly due to all the cliches and cardboard characters. A lot of the scenes were really grating, for example, at the start of the movie when they save a fishing boat. That was like nails on a chalkboard stupid, possibly the worst scene I've seen this year.

I'm not bothered by GDT making a movie for kids, I'm bothered by a huge swath of geekdom arguing that this movie was amazing. It was not.

http://io9.com/pacific-rim-is-the-greatest-fairy-tale-of-the-twenty-fi-752579393
Pacific Rim is the greatest fairy tale of the twenty-first century

If GDT wanted to show his love for the genre, he could have bought the rights to Neon Genesis Evangelion... but then he would have needed a better screenwriter.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

There's a Pacific Rim thread in the "Misc" forum.

As for the movie, I dug a few scenes, I liked the musical score, but overall found the movie mediocre, partly due to all the cliches and cardboard characters. A lot of the scenes were really grating, for example, at the start of the movie when they save a fishing boat. That was like nails on a chalkboard stupid, possibly the worst scene I've seen this year.

I'm not bothered by GDT making a movie for kids, I'm bothered by a huge swath of geekdom arguing that this movie was amazing. It was not.

http://io9.com/pacific-rim-is-the-greatest-fairy-tale-of-the-twenty-fi-752579393
Pacific Rim is the greatest fairy tale of the twenty-first century

If GDT wanted to show his love for the genre, he could have bought the rights to Neon Genesis Evangelion... but then he would have needed a better screenwriter.

This. PR was very enjoyable, but I feel like many nerds are liking it because GDT is doing it, and not because the film has any resonance with them.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Haha, fair point. I don't want to get into an argument about which film is better, since one is a blatant Saturday morning cartoon and the other was making it's best serious face at me for two hours straight, so I'll say that I found the Pacific Rim action scenes more engaging and better designed.

As an example of the difference between them, the fights in Pacific Rim have a flow--there a pretty immediate consequences to the fighters when they start wailing on each other and the fights progress as a result. The hits matter.

Conversely, whether it's Superman punching Zod through twenty buildings or the other way around, I didn't feel like it actually mattered. They just kept pounding on each other ineffectually until Zod committed suicide-by-Superman.

It is admittedly more difficult to progress a fight when the combatants are basically invincible, but it would have made a huge difference to me if the film had instead shown that Superman was losing the fight because he was trying to avoid civilian casualties, thus leading to that final moment. Then we'd have some progression in the battle.

Fair enough. I can understand where you're coming from there. It is true that it feels like (in the final battle at least) that nothing can stop either of them, but they're both at their peak power levels by the end of the film. I guess my issue with the fights in Pacific Rim was that none of them really had me as engaged as I wanted to be. The graphics looked really cool but they didn't look real enough to keep me on the edge of my seat. I more of less checked out completely during the fight underwater.

 

[Marvin]

Shrug. I guess I can't really fault you for preferring blurry pixels over rainy ones (not to imply the effects were on the same level; they were absolutely not--MOS is a different league, in that respect).

My point was there was alot of complaints about not being able to see clearly when PRim came out. From the shaky cam to the rain to the framing.

I assume when you say blurry effects in mos you are talking about your ability to see? I also assume you are talking about this in respect to the super speed and racking focus?
Ie the IHop sequence?

 

[Fallen Angel]

Congrats to Supes and Zod.t:

Was certainly better than the Thor/Malekith fight.

 

[Rowsdower!]

The Thor/Malekith fight was pretty funny but man, was Malekith a lame villain. He might have been the worst CBM villain since Gopher Venom.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

There has never, NEVER, been as comic accurate a sequence of action as the Smalleville and Metropolis battles. Beyond the battles per se, you just have Superman's power level being shown as awe inspiring and even a little fear inducing. This felt right to me. No, Superman should not be a fear inducing character, but the audience, and in story the world that he inhabits, should always respect the power he is in possession of. I feel they pulled that off, big time.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Exactly, and that's something they haven't really touched on much on film before. Luthor is of course always fearful of Superman's abilities, but he has reason to because he is evil. However, characters like Batman and Emil Hamilton have, at times, feared that Superman's power could be a threat to humanity.

 

[Fallen Angel]

The Thor/Malekith fight was pretty funny but man, was Malekith a lame villain. He might have been the worst CBM villain since Gopher Venom.

I agree Malekith was really bad villain and considering they had Christopher Eccleston it's a shame as he's a quality actor.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah. But in all honesty, I'm starting to doubt Eccleston a bit. This is the second big franchise movie where he played a terribly disappointing villain. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt before since one of those movies was GI:Joe, but he should have been better in Thor 2. It might have just been the script, but I found his performance pretty dull too.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Hey , Gone in Sixty Seconds he was great.t:

 

[John-An]

Exactly, and that's something they haven't really touched on much on film before. Luthor is of course always fearful of Superman's abilities, but he has reason to because he is evil. However, characters like Batman and Emil Hamilton have, at times, feared that Superman's power could be a threat to humanity.

There has never, NEVER, been as comic accurate a sequence of action as the Smalleville and Metropolis battles. Beyond the battles per se, you just have Superman's power level being shown as awe inspiring and even a little fear inducing. This felt right to me. No, Superman should not be a fear inducing character, but the audience, and in story the world that he inhabits, should always respect the power he is in possession of. I feel they pulled that off, big time.

Totally agreed.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Hey , Gone in Sixty Seconds he was great.t:

LOL

All I really remember about his character in that movie was that he had a thing for making furniture.

 

[JOE]

The ultimate consolation prize.

 

[JOE]

There has never, NEVER, been as comic accurate a sequence of action as the Smalleville and Metropolis battles. Beyond the battles per se, you just have Superman's power level being shown as awe inspiring and even a little fear inducing. This felt right to me. No, Superman should not be a fear inducing character, but the audience, and in story the world that he inhabits, should always respect the power he is in possession of. I feel they pulled that off, big time.

Maybe out of the Superman films. I wouldn't speak for all CBM.

 

[John-An]

^ Ugh

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Maybe out of the Superman films. I wouldn't speak for all CBM.

Hey, AVENGERS was the champ, just last year. Now? Brotha man not even Spidey 2 comes close, and pre A1 IT was the champ.

 

[Saint]

My point was there was alot of complaints about not being able to see clearly when PRim came out. From the shaky cam to the rain to the framing.

I assume when you say blurry effects in mos you are talking about your ability to see? I also assume you are talking about this in respect to the super speed and racking focus?
Ie the IHop sequence?

You got it.

 

[sf2]

There has never, NEVER, been as comic accurate a sequence of action as the Smalleville and Metropolis battles. Beyond the battles per se, you just have Superman's power level being shown as awe inspiring and even a little fear inducing. This felt right to me. No, Superman should not be a fear inducing character, but the audience, and in story the world that he inhabits, should always respect the power he is in possession of. I feel they pulled that off, big time.

i think the battles in spidey movies are great too. i thought i have got tired of another spidey movie... but the robust aerobic movement and the 'refreshing' saving action are so damn exciting to watch...

 

[Batmannerism]

There's a Pacific Rim thread in the "Misc" forum.

As for the movie, I dug a few scenes, I liked the musical score, but overall found the movie mediocre, partly due to all the cliches and cardboard characters. A lot of the scenes were really grating, for example, at the start of the movie when they save a fishing boat. That was like nails on a chalkboard stupid, possibly the worst scene I've seen this year.

I'm not bothered by GDT making a movie for kids, I'm bothered by a huge swath of geekdom arguing that this movie was amazing. It was not.

http://io9.com/pacific-rim-is-the-greatest-fairy-tale-of-the-twenty-fi-752579393
Pacific Rim is the greatest fairy tale of the twenty-first century

If GDT wanted to show his love for the genre, he could have bought the rights to Neon Genesis Evangelion... but then he would have needed a better screenwriter.

Dude, I agree that PR is not the greatest fairy tale of the twenty-first-century, I'm not saying it's anything more than an immensely fun film, that doesn't ask us to think too much, and we can just sit back and remember what it was like watching Grandizer or GaiKing (or Godzilla movies) as kids.

But that's it. If people are arguing it's more than that, I disagree - a complex deconstruction of the human condition it ain't !

However, I still think it's amazing, because it doesn't pretend to be anything more than what it is. Those clichés are there on purpose.
The scene with the fishing boat was straight out of a cartoon, but that's
what PR was supposed to be, a live action cartoon.

Dude, if you don't like cardboard or clichéd characters you might be going to the wrong films, and posting on the wrong forum, because the super-hero genre is full of them (the only character who can argue he isn't a cliché is Superman, because he started the cliché !)

There ain't nothing wrong with clichés if they're done right, (that's when they're called classics !)

Hell, original Star Wars was full of clichéd characters, in fact its a version of the "hero's journey" probably the most clichéd story of all, been around for thousands of years, just not on other planets, were you turned off by its mediocrity too ? If you saw Star Wars as a kid, and thought "Meh, clichéd" then you have my sympathy.


So, back to PR, gotta go with the majority on this one, it rocked.

But, if you want really original, deep, realistic well-developed portrayals of humanity, you need to look somewhere else.

I actually feel sorry for you, that you didn't enjoy the film, because while it's a bit dumb (but still awesome) it's far less dumb than a lot of sci-fi/superhero flicks out there.

Check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fupWquPNoTc

Kind of sums up your criticisms, but also recognizes the overwhelmingly fun aspects of this film.

And....true to the point of this thread, MOS' battles were better. Go MOS !

 

[Batmannerism]

There has never, NEVER, been as comic accurate a sequence of action as the Smalleville and Metropolis battles. Beyond the battles per se, you just have Superman's power level being shown as awe inspiring and even a little fear inducing. This felt right to me. No, Superman should not be a fear inducing character, but the audience, and in story the world that he inhabits, should always respect the power he is in possession of. I feel they pulled that off, big time.

Totally agree. Still rank the battle of Smallville as number 1. Supes v Zod was nasty, but between the giant ripping off heads and Faora's super-speed smackdowns, meanwhile the Army are blowing up everything in sight and strafing down main-street, and Supes and the giant trading blows amidst a hail of bullets and cannon-fire, and neither of them CARE....
Really, the battle of Smallville set a new bar for all out super-hero warfare.

Nothing in The Avengers, not Iron man vs Thor nor Thor vs Hulk or even the final battle was anywhere as fast or as brutal as this full on scrap.

But that's just IMO.

 

[Saint]

However, I still think it's amazing,

And rightly so.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Totally agree. Still rank the battle of Smallville as number 1. Supes v Zod was nasty, but between the giant ripping off heads and Faora's super-speed smackdowns, meanwhile the Army are blowing up everything in sight and strafing down main-street, and Supes and the giant trading blows amidst a hail of bullets and cannon-fire, and neither of them CARE....
Really, the battle of Smallville set a new bar for all out super-hero warfare.

Nothing in The Avengers, not Iron man vs Thor nor Thor vs Hulk or even the final battle was anywhere as fast or as brutal as this full on scrap.

But that's just IMO.

The Battle of Smallville is a masterpiece of CG, editing (that was one moment where the fast cutting worked), pacing, camerawork, and destruction effects (the scale was smaller, so more real objects could get smashed)

I think it's probably the best fight in comic movies, though I'd have to watch the Hulk flicks for comparison

 

[Batmannerism]

The Battle of Smallville is a masterpiece of CG, editing (that was one moment where the fast cutting worked), pacing, camerawork, and destruction effects (the scale was smaller, so more real objects could get smashed)

I think it's probably the best fight in comic movies, though I'd have to watch the Hulk flicks for comparison

Respect ! You are speaking the justice !

If Snyder can pull of something like that in his next Superman
film, I'm definitely in.

People get really hung up on the whole "Superman saves people !" stuff
, which he does, but if you read the comics, he does a hell of a lot of brawling too - MOS got that exactly right !

Peace out Super-fans !