Comics Marc Guggenheim's latest explanation for why some folks hate Brand New Day

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From the latest ComicCon:


Speaking of "judging" Guggenheim said a lot of people who aren't reading Spider-Man or refuse to read Spider-Man are judging it based on misunderstandings. "Part of the problem with the controversy behind One More Day is the understanding of what was retconned overstates the extent of what was done," he said. "Everything that happened in the last twenty plus years of comic book history happened! The only difference is that Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson weren't married. They still dated. They still lived together. They still love each other. They just weren't married. Judging from the letters and death threats we received, I think some people were confused. It all still happened."

"Here's my attitude, if anyone is upset about the marriage going away, then they must all be pro gay marriage," he continued. Because if you're pro gay marriage, you understand the distinction between a marriage and a civil union -- that a civil union is not equal to a marriage. We downgraded Mary Jane and Peter to a civil union. If that bothers you, then you're pro gay marriage."

Full article here:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultim...;f=36;t=007464


Sounds just like an argument a former practicing attorney would say to make a case, regardless of how fallacious it might be.
 
What's the point of this?? Is this supposed to scare homophobic fanboys away or something? What if you are "pro gay marriage"? Well, I am. I like BND, but this is a stunningly stupid and offensive argument. I have no idea why Guggenheim is trying to insert culturally divisive politics into a discussion about a comicbook character... Really, really dumb thing for him to say.
 
From the latest ComicCon:




Full article here:

http://www.comicon.com/cgi-bin/ultim...;f=36;t=007464


Sounds just like an argument a former practicing attorney would say to make a case, regardless of how fallacious it might be.

Yea, he used big words to try to make himself look smart while voicing his own personal bias.
I find that article offensive.:csad:
Not only did he insult fans and call us out like we only have one reason for disliking OMD. (lets not forget it is arguably the WORST spidey story EVER TOLD.) He made an anti-gay comment *which has NOTHING to do with spidey comics* to even further put us down....

I don't condone that kind of preference, but insulting them based on their sexual preference is comparable to racism. which i despise.
I mean whats the whole point of bringing that up while talking about Fans vs. OMD???

Looks like I'm not picking any of his arcs up anymore....he sucks anyways...

Since the stories don't move quite as fast as they used to. I'm only supporting Dan Slott and Zeb Wells. Not BND or Marvel.
 
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I know I already commented on this, but I just can't get over how bad this is. Aside from making NO sense ("Twinkie defense" anyone?), it sounds borderline bigoted (if you hate BND, you like gay marriage... how is someone supposed to take that?). I am actually pro-BND, and I was enjoying Guggenheim's work for the most part. Now I'm considering skipping his arcs from now on, until he apologizes for this. It's really messed up. I hope someone at Marvel confronts him about this.
 
WHAT ON STINKIN EARTH????????????????

His comments are VERY offensive to me, and make NO sense.

"If you don't like a devil shaped reboot that ends Pete's marriage you must like gay marriage"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????????

I am now actually MORE proud of myself for NOT buying this reboot.

His logic not only makes absolutely NO sense at all about rebooting 20 years- you CANNOT change a major or minor thing without it TOTALLY effecting the timeline, especially something as special as marriage.

BUt on top of that, he has to bring topics totally un-inovlved into this topic and call out fans who aren't collecting??

WOrds can't explain how MAD i am at his words, and i am not going to get baited into commenting or comparing his insane reasoning.

All I'll say is, "Marriage is very special. Pete and MJ forever."

His comment just proves how out of touch Joe's handpicked crew is, ...and how much they don't understand the character OR the fans!!!
 
Wow...my mind is boggled by that ludicrous statement still.

I can't believe Marvel is now to the point of randomly labeling fans and attaching them to non-related social issues,...IF you do not like their reboot, now you're LABELED.

This really ticks me off.

THey better be doing some major damage control, or else i may not buy marvel, which would stink...but i WILL NOT be labeled randomly like this.

First, "THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS WRONg".

Now THIS....
 
So, with MArvel's logic now...

If you LIKE the reboot you ARE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

Iff you don't like the reboot you are FOR GAY MARRAIGE.

Just peachy.

STILLNERD, I hope you posted this on some of the other forums too, so fans can know what and how marvel is twisting this, getting hate mail about it (Their reboot), and what they are saying to justify it and twist it.
 
So, with MArvel's logic now...

If you LIKE the reboot you ARE AGAINST GAY MARRIAGE.

Iff you don't like the reboot you are FOR GAY MARRAIGE.

Just peachy.

STILLNERD, I hope you posted this on some of the other forums too, so fans can know what and how marvel is twisting this, getting hate mail about it (Their reboot), and what they are saying to justify it and twist it.

Let's not conflate the whole of BND and their creators with the unbelievable stupidity of Marc Guggenheim's comments. I'm sure Dan Slott, Zeb Wells, Bob Gale, Joe Quesada etc don't share those views (unless they come out and defend it... then we can attack).

I hope Guggenheim gets canned over this. I really do. Pro-BND, anti-BND, I think everyone can agree this is some sickening stuff.
 
Guggenheim's just pissed cause he wasnt chosen to write "New Ways to Die" cause he can't write Spiderman for s***. Him and Gale need to be kicked off the BND team like a bad habit.
 
this gay marriage thing is completely ******ed, are these the minds of those in charge of comic books these days, no wonder they resort to non-logical story lines, it all makes sense now.

even if you put that aside, if they are saying the marriage was simply downgraded and everything else happened, then why on earth did they bother doing it in the first place if it apparently has negative effect?

It obviously doesn't make sense because there are plenty of stories that are directly a response of their union, aka, spidey retiring and letting ben reilly take the throne due to the responsibilities of being a parent.

or even norman's return and may's stillborn death. or parker not siding with the jackal after finding out he may have been the clone.
 
What's next?
"If you do not like BND you're a TERRORIST!!!"

Ok... WTF!? What does gay-rights have to do with the marriage of a straight couple?
I thought that people hated OMD/BND because of the SATANIC DEALINGS... (or with a generic non-satan demon) it still involves dealing with a demon... but where's the demonic double-cross?

He should've gone with this instead "This is Chewbacca, Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk, but Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now, think about that. That does not make sense! Why would a Wookiee - an eight foot tall Wookiee - want to live on Endor with a bunch of two foot tall Ewoks? That does not make sense! What does that have to do with this case? Nothing. Ladies and gentlemen, it has nothing to do with this case! It does not make sense! None of this makes sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit! The defense rests. DAMNIT!"
 
I wonder if Guggenheim and Quesada have started some competition on who can come up with the dumbest comments. :)
 
[bitter sarcasm]Does that mean we're going to get a storyline dealing with homosexuality entitled "Brand New Gay", next? :o

I'm sure the gay community will be thrilled by that.[/bitter sarcasm]

So, not only did eveything happen the same as it did, with absolutely NO difference (because marriage and "shacking up" are the same thing. Way to teach our kids some morals, there, Marvel), but now, you condone gay marriage by not buying 12 dollars worth of books that you don't like every month. I'm sure the homosexual community really appreciates Guggenheim's support and him making lightly of such an important issue.:whatever:

Seriously, I'm half-expecting Marvel to start resorting to "Yo' Mama" jokes, soon, to get people to buy into BND.

"If you don't buy everything Brand New Day, then yo' mama is so fat that she made a deal with Mephisto to lose weight, and he said, 'I'm a god-powerful demon, lady, not a miracle-worker!' "

Ooooooo.....no he didn't!
 
A perfect example of the contempt and disrespect for fans that made me stop reading.
 
His logic not only makes absolutely NO sense at all about rebooting 20 years- you CANNOT change a major or minor thing without it TOTALLY effecting the timeline, especially something as special as marriage.

Here's something that I find funny... Marvel says that nothing changed except one little event (or two), yet one of the guys working on BND is the guy who spent three movies trying to explain how one little change in the past creates humongous ripples across time... Great Scott!
 
Seems to me that if the marriage going away upset you, you would be anti-gay marriage, not pro. Because if you're anti-gay marriage, then you understand the distinction between marriage and civil unions, whereas if you were in support of gay marriage then you would think gay marriages are no less valid than straight marriages. Uh...yeah, I think that's it.

Either way, it's an odd thing to say.
 
[bitter sarcasm]Does that mean we're going to get a storyline dealing with homosexuality entitled "Brand New Gay", next? :o

Hahaha thats funny.
I hope this gets more attention. Marvel has gone out of control when it comes to Spidey. :cmad:

Seriously, I'm half-expecting Marvel to start resorting to "Yo' Mama" jokes, soon, to get people to buy into BND.

heh I wouldn't be surprised....they've definitely been on urban dictionary looking up new snazzy and hip ebonic dialogue. like O.G (original goblin.)
 
Part of the problem with the controversy behind One More Day is the understanding of what was retconned overstates the extent of what was done," he said. "Everything that happened in the last twenty plus years of comic book history happened!
Except Aunt May getting shot. And Harry not dying. And The Other. And the Organic Webshooters. And every story ever in which someone finds out Peter is Spiderman. Possibly not living at the Avengers mansion. Possibly Sins Past.

I'm sure there are many....many more.
 
Seems to me that if the marriage going away upset you, you would be anti-gay marriage, not pro. Because if you're anti-gay marriage, then you understand the distinction between marriage and civil unions, whereas if you were in support of gay marriage then you would think gay marriages are no less valid than straight marriages. Uh...yeah, I think that's it.

Either way, it's an odd thing to say.
What he should have said was "If you recognize the difference between being married and living together, you recognize the difference between getting married and living together."

Being pro or against gay marriage is not directly related to being able to recognize the difference. You can recognize the difference and be pro or against gay marriage, it simply doesn't matter.
 
What in the living hell does this have to do with ANYTHING?

What a *****ebag. Still not buying Spidey and proud of it, which I am still astounded by to this day. Thanks, Marvel!
 
Meh... Guggenheim's a bit of an oddball anyway, so oddball statements are par for the course.

But he is right when he states that people who think the last 20 years didn't happen are wrong...

:yay:
 
Except Aunt May getting shot. And Harry not dying. And The Other. And the Organic Webshooters. And every story ever in which someone finds out Peter is Spiderman. Possibly not living at the Avengers mansion. Possibly Sins Past.

I'm sure there are many....many more.

Oh, no, it all happened, just not the same way as it did before. See, Peter still loved Mary Jane, and Mary Jane still loved Peter, but not enough to marr each other. They felt it made them look too old, and it strayed from who they really were. (FEEL.....the sarcasm?)

I stand by what I've said all along: If they had hired the creative talent and skipped the retcon, I would be the #1 Amazing Spider-Fan....hell, I'd even buy it 4 times a month! As it is, telling me that the past 20 years happened the same way except that the two main characters were not married...and that it changes nothing, well, that's stupid. Every time Peter or MJ referred to each other as "husband" or "wife" now has to be changed to "Significant other", "BF", "GF", or "****-buddy". Yeah, that really adds a new layer of depth to the characters.

Buy Invincible.
 

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