"Market Forces" Discussion Thread

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm really hoping that they do those defining moments in Peter's life justice. Such as the MJ "face it tiger" reveal (which it looks like they are setting up nicely) Relationship with and death of Gwen Stacy, (and posibly if he is introduced Captain Stacy) death of Norman Osborne, and Harry taking up the Goblin mantle.

They have such a great oportunity, because of how they have been setting things up to really let these events play out and be dramatized in a way that we have previously been cheated out of so many times outside of the comics. It was a great move on their part to not introduce MJ right away and a surprising, and in my opinion gutsy move to estabish Gwen in the series at all.

This show really does have the potential to be THE definative Spider-Man outside of the comics similarly to how (in my opinion and in many other peoples opinion,) Batman the animated series is THE definative Batman outside of the Batman comics.

Very true, and I hope for the same.

 

[IamProdigy]

I'd just like for them to wait a little longer before he dawns his other persona but if they don't, that's fine by me.

To bad Green Goblin shows up in the seventh episode, lol. But all we need to see is how ruthless Osborn can be, and we saw the jist of it in "Survival of the Fittest", but now we have the Osborn/Big Man partnership and that'll just be good development and show us what happened, to which I think Big Man corrupts his experiment with the GG serum.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I Absolutely hated Montana as The Shocker! that was pointless .

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

I liked however Norman being instrumental in Harry's life and also with his ties to Hammerhead and Big Man. I liked Pete trying to go for Betty and the Bugle stuff, but hated the school scenes. Harry is still to me a bigger nerd than Pete IMO.

Lastly, I like the character development being given to Rhino, Sandman, and Hammerhead. Now are they no longer two-dimensional thugs but more three-dimensional. It's like the writers are giving them a journey and elbow-room to grow and soon become their iconic selves. I like that because the 90's show barely touched on that.

Rhino was just a dumb brute in a rhinocerous costume in the 90's show, here he is still a dumb brute but we know soon he'll become one of the wallcrawler's most powerful foes.

Same with Sandman, while he was not in the 90's show, they're giving him some chance to grow and eventually shift from being Flint Marko you're everyday lowlife thug to one of Spider-Man's greatest villains.

I hope Herman Schulz will get the Shocker suit. That way the show will redeem itself. I'm getting use to the bad designs after several episodes. I will say the show captures Pete's teen life, Bugle life, and Spider-Man life quite well, but I don't want to be clunked on the head by countless cameos or too tamed little kid fights. Last week's Lizard episode wasn't tame, they up the ante, and it was damn well done. Hopefully next week's episode will be like that funny, yet dark, but action-packed as well.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

I put it up on youtube...atleast part 1 though.

 

[The Joker]

Ok, I just watched the episode. It was fantastic. 5/5.

These guys are doing a terrific job of portraying the crappy side of Peter Parker's life. Spider-Man is at his wise cracking best, too. And it's great to see the Daily Bugle characters finally get some exposure.

Regarding Montana being Shocker, I didn't mind it at all. Shocker is a C-list villain at best, and I have so little love for the character [I always saw him as a poor man's Electro], that this change didn't bother me. Just like Bendis' mock treatment of the character in Ultimate Spider-Man never bothered me, either.

Norman Osborn is being superbly portrayed. I love his scenes with Harry. I only hope Octavius gets some of the same great development in the next episode.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

I completley disagree, and how does this Shocker fight like Ultimate Shocker? Ultimate Shocker can be taken down in a matter of minutes, this Shocker was taken down MUCH longer than that. From my view, this Shocker is basically just as dangerous as comic book Shocker and I mean the original classic Shocker.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I completley disagree, and how does this Shocker fight like Ultimate Shocker? Ultimate Shocker can be taken down in a matter of minutes, this Shocker was taken down MUCH longer than that. From my view, this Shocker is basically just as dangerous as comic book Shocker and I mean the original classic Shocker.

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright.

Like I said I enjoyed seeing Norman being insidious and instrumental in trying to keep his company alive while also trying to connect with his estranged son. I also liked seeing the Bugle scenes but the school scenes are too dopey.

And I can't wait to see Flint and O'Herr become Sandman and Rhino.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright.

Did you see the 1990's show? When Spidey had the black suite, he was dodging shots from Shocker. Also, he got tied up, so why is that bad? Tons of Villians have gotten tied up. Ultimate Shocker is a waste and shouldn't be involved in anything Spider-Man.

 

[Venomfan]

dude you don't have to defend everything this show does, it isnt perfect

Well, that's why I think he shouldn't appear until the 3rd or 4th season. If Hobgoblin does appear, I want the real Hobgoblin to be Roderick Kingsley. It stays true to the comics.

Greg let slip that the Hobgoblin will be fancy dan

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

dude you don't have to defend everything this show does, it isnt perfect

Greg let slip that the Hobgoblin will be fancy dan

I know you're joking, but just in case no one else does... this is not true.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Ultimate Shocker is a waste and shouldn't be involved in anything Spider-Man.

Well, I agree there, but here's the thing with the 90's show vs. with this Shocker. Like you said he got webbed up with Pete in the symbiote suit. Let's look at something there, Peter's reflexes, webbing, everything has been enhanced due to the suit. Shocker didn't stand a chance against him that suit. Here it's the regular suit and Shocker still get's owned by him.

I'm not saying villains getting web in the eyes or being tied up hasn't been done before, but I don't know if it's because this a little kid-version of Spider-Man or what, but I just didn't feel like Shocker was dangerous enough. The only time I did was when he sent Pete through that wall and said something about hitting him with a close-range shot. That was when I was like, "Yeah, he means business now." Then, it was simply Spider-Man dodging, running, air-somersaulting, backflipping, etc. out of his way.

I find the videogames have really made him what he should be a C-list thug with A-list powers. The 90's show touched upon it, even though he was sort of a hitman for hire by Kingpin. Here he was just a D-list thug with A-list powers. I never got the sense he was a real threat for Parker and Parker just dropped the theater down on top of him. He should've gotten killed by that, than I would've had Herman come scrounging through the rubble and finds the suit and a dead Montanna. Then, he swipes it off of him or shown Hammerhead scrounging through the rubble and call up Big Man and tell him, "Montanna's dead. He failed us. It's time we get Herman Schulz to join us."

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well, I agree there, but here's the thing with the 90's show vs. with this Shocker. Like you said he got webbed up with Pete in the symbiote suit. Let's look at something there, Peter's reflexes, webbing, everything has been enhanced due to the suit. Shocker didn't stand a chance against him that suit. Here it's the regular suit and Shocker still get's owned by him.

I'm not saying villains getting web in the eyes or being tied up hasn't been done before, but I don't know if it's because this a little kid-version of Spider-Man or what, but I just didn't feel like Shocker was dangerous enough. I find the videogames have really made him what he should be a C-list thug with A-list powers. The 90's show touched upon it, even though he was sort of a hitman for hire by Kingpin. Here he was just a D-list thug with A-list powers. I never got the sense he was a real threat for Parker and Parker just dropped the theater down on top of him. He should've gotten killed by that, than I would've had Herman come scrounging through the rubble and finds the suit and a dead Montanna. Then, he swipes it off of him or shown Hammerhead scrounging through the rubble and call up Big Man and tell him, "Montanna's dead. He failed us. It's time we get Herman Schulz to join us."

Well, you have to remember that Spidey got beaten up in this episode alot. Hell, he even lost his first battle to the Shocker. That right there just proves how powerful this Shocker is. Also, red & blue Spidey really is very strong and him getting beaten up by the Shocker all the time isn't necessary. The Shocker in this show is just how expected him to be, very badass and overall a worthy Villian for Spidey.

 

[Silver Spider]

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[Silver Spider]

I put it up on youtube...atleast part 1 though.

What's your YouTube account name?

 

[Silver Spider]

He let Spider-Man drop that curtain on him. He several times got webbed and tied up. He kept missing shots at Spider-Man. Yeah, he fought like Ultimate Shocker alright. .

Yeah, because 616 Shocker was like the greatest fighter ever, right.
I thought Shocker was handled well in this episode, even though it would have been nice if Herman Schultz was atleast mentioned. And he was able to hit Spidey just as much as Vulture and Electro were.

 

[SLYspyder]

Yea eddie is probably a lost cause once venom comes about, but hopefully gwen and harry will gain his trust again. I would hate to see peter not have any friends at school any more. So how old do u guys think betty is, since her reason she blew peter off was she was too old for him. I am guessing probably between 20-22 range possibly and since peter is only 16 she probably thinks that is way to young and illegal if she is 21.

I'd say Betty is about 2 yrs older than Parker, same as Brock, in the 18 turning 19 range.

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

Please, Ultimate Spider-Man is a straight up joke. Were we watching the same episode? Because I saw SM get hit like 5 or 6 times with the blast., whereas, U Shocker wouldn't have landed one blow. This Shocker gave SM a bigger run for his money than the Shocker from the 90's series, only thing was I loved 90's Shocker's attitude and voice better, "Kinda painful, or sorta painful...you decide". How cool was that line?


This was my favorite episode so far. All this talk about Rhino, I didn't even realize he was the guy hanging out with Marko.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Well, you have to remember that Spidey got beaten up in this episode alot. Hell, he even lost his first battle to the Shocker. That right there just proves how powerful this Shocker is. Also, red & blue Spidey really is very strong and him getting beaten up by the Shocker all the time isn't necessary. The Shocker in this show is just how expected him to be, very badass and overall a worthy Villian for Spidey.

Of course he's going to lose his first fight, he's a new villain. If comics, TV, or movies has shown us anything---the hero always loses the first fight but comes back in the end to settle the score. I mean obviously would you be expecting to win in your first tussle against a guy who can cause tremors shockwaves? No.

But I think in the end, I would've had Montanna got killed or be sent on a gurney to the hospital; suit manages to enter Hammerhead's hands by a crooked cop who found it in the rubble (which would then open up a storyline for Gwen's dad to come into the picture---to clean up police corruption, restore balance and justice to New York, and arrest and obtain criminals and bring peace.) Then, like I said before Hammerhead would then either give it to Schulz who'd appear offscreen but we'd see his hands or silhouette and he'd call him by "Herman" or he'd call up Big Man and tell him Montanna failed and it's time they get a new Shocker.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Of course he's going to lose his first fight, he's a new villain. If comics, TV, or movies has shown us anything---the hero always loses the first fight but comes back in the end to settle the score. I mean obviously would you be expecting to win in your first tussle against a guy who can cause tremors shockwaves? No.

But I think in the end, I would've had Montanna got killed or be sent on a gurney to the hospital; suit manages to enter Hammerhead's hands by a crooked cop who found it in the rubble (which would then open up a storyline for Gwen's dad to come into the picture---to clean up police corruption, restore balance and justice to New York, and arrest and obtain criminals and bring peace.) Then, like I said before Hammerhead would then either give it to Schulz who'd appear offscreen but we'd see his hands or silhouette and he'd call him by "Herman" or he'd call up Big Man and tell him Montanna failed and it's time they get a new Shocker.

If Herman is to become the Shocker in any episode, I think he would get a hold of them in prison or something. That's if he appears though, I really like the idea of Montana as Shocker.

 

[Webhead2006]

Isnt george stacy confirmed to show up this season.

 

[Havok]

Well I just got done watching the episode and I thought it was really good.The character development has been amazing so far. 4/5 for me.

- I like how they are setting up a Mary Jane blind date kinda thing for the Fall dance. I'm sure we will get the famous "Face it Tiger. You just hit the jackpot" line.

- I liked how everyone is turning on peter i.e - Brock, Gwen and Harry

- It was also nice seeing Spider-Man get his butt kicked.

 

[Arcturus]

This was a wonderful episode! I still say Natural Selection was the best so far, but Market Forces certainly kicked ass, no doubt about that!

I give it a 4 out 5.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Same here. I hated that out of Shocker's mouth was a redneck, hillbilly accent. It wasn't even Shocker anymore. Sure, he had the shockwave emitters and the classic suit, but he fought like Ultimate Shocker---least the 90's Shocker gave Spidey a run for his milk money.

My sentiments exactly

I liked however Norman being instrumental in Harry's life and also with his ties to Hammerhead and Big Man. I liked Pete trying to go for Betty and the Bugle stuff, but hated the school scenes. Harry is still to me a bigger nerd than Pete IMO.

Lastly, I like the character development being given to Rhino, Sandman, and Hammerhead. Now are they no longer two-dimensional thugs but more three-dimensional. It's like the writers are giving them a journey and elbow-room to grow and soon become their iconic selves. I like that because the 90's show barely touched on that.

Rhino was just a dumb brute in a rhinocerous costume in the 90's show, here he is still a dumb brute but we know soon he'll become one of the wallcrawler's most powerful foes.

Same with Sandman, while he was not in the 90's show, they're giving him some chance to grow and eventually shift from being Flint Marko you're everyday lowlife thug to one of Spider-Man's greatest villains.

I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

 

[Web-Head408]

My sentiments exactly



I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

Big Man and Kingpin are two entirely different characters.

Kingpin can't be used due to legal reasons.



Edit: I see Sarcastic beat me to that.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

My sentiments exactly



I still think "The Big Man" is really THE KINGPIN (and tptb used one of Fisk alias to use him on the show without showing him or calling him The Kingpin for now .)

I just hope that neither Ox nor Marko's partner becomes The Rhino . I hope Alex get the suit .

Marko's partner is Alex.

 

[Jick]

I just saw the episode.
Shocker pwns!
and JJ is so funny..I actually laughed! dang!
this show is perfect.