MCU Tag Team Battles: Hela & Thor Vs. Surtur

[BigThor]

This a fun tag team styled MCU battle thread to break up the monotony of our once a week MCU Fights. It can be 2 on 2, 2 on 2 on 1, 3 on 2, or even 3 on 1. Keep in mind this is purely for just fun and doesn't in any way effect our Power Tier.

HELA & THOR

Vs.

SURTUR (Giant Form)

Surtur's goal is to WIN the fight not destroy Asgard

So let's get this started shall we....

 

[Surfer]

HELA & THOR


Vs.

SURTUR

I am assuming you mean Surtur with the Eternal Flame. If so despite their Asgardian physiology which provides them with incredible durability feats and the fact that they are both uber powerful characters, I still don't see them being able to tank a planet buster. I mean there is a reason why all of Asgard ran including Thor when Surtur with the Eternal Flame was unleashed, and the only character that dared to stay was Hela, but she got crushed under the power of the twighlight sword. I just don't see them winning this one. They are powerful, but not on a planet buster level in my opinion.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

I am assuming you mean Surtur with the Eternal Flame. If so despite their Asgardian physiology which provides them with incredible durability feats and the fact that they are both uber powerful characters, I still don't see them being able to tank a planet buster. I mean there is a reason why all of Asgard ran including Thor when Surtur with the Eternal Flame was unleashed, and the only character that dared to stay was Hela, but she got crushed under the power of the twighlight sword. I just don't see them winning this one. They are powerful, but not on a planet buster level in my opinion.

Surfer

Thor has Stormbreaker now and planet busting still wouldn't give Surtur the win. This is straight up fight, Surtur will be going for the WIN and planet busting would only cause it to be a tie.

Yes Surtur with the Eternal Flame, which I consider to be Surtur's true form since his small form was him in a weakened state.

 

[Iceman]

How would Stormbreaker Thor have got on against Hela?

 

[BigThor]

How would Stormbreaker Thor have got on against Hela?

Imo he would beat her, but they're on teams in this instance.

 

[Iceman]

Imo he would beat her, but they're on teams in this instance.

Yes. I was only asking to judge how much chance the team would have against Surtur. Thor without Stormbreaker was too far below Hela to have made much of a difference in such a high level fight, but Stormbreaker Thor is on another level and has the means to seriously injure Thanos with all the stones. It's quite hard to call this one but as imposing as Beast Surtur is, I think he'd be too slow to actually hit Thor and Thor could eventually do enough damage, especially with Hela also being a huge distraction . If it was Surtur 1 on 1 against one of these guys it would be different as he would be fully focused on whoever he was against.

 

[jolldan]

Im inclined to go for Surtur.

Hela was hitting him with swords the size of multi-storey buildings and it didn't even look like it was registering.

However I always feel like the comedic moment they added of Hulk punching him kind of screws with his power level lol.

 

[BigThor]

Im inclined to go for Surtur.

Hela was hitting him with swords the size of multi-storey buildings and it didn't even look like it was registering.

However I always feel like the comedic moment they added of Hulk punching him kind of screws with his power level lol.

Not really, it was an unexpected blow and all it did was make him sway it didn't hurt him in the least.

Thor's head turned when Jane slapped him in TDW and Thanos head turned from Spider-Man and Captain America's attacks. Marvel doesn't seem to be into the whole "stand there unflinching" thing Superman does which really doesn't even make sense.

 

[jolldan]

Not really, it was an unexpected blow and all it did was make him sway it didn't hurt him in the least.

Thor's head turned when Jane slapped him in TDW and Thanos head turned from Spider-Man and Captain America's attacks. Marvel doesn't seem to be into the whole "stand there unflinching" thing Superman does which really doesn't even make sense.

In terms of him being bigger than a mountain and unflinching to Hela's massive blades it just felt dumb for him to be knocked by such a move. I know what you mean on the rest of them though but they are generally all quite close in comparative size.

Loved a lot of the comedy in this movie even the bit right after of Thor telling him no just to leave it was great that part just felt a little oddly placed in a more serious moment.

I've never been a fan of the big boy scout but that's kind of his whole stick.

 

[Thör-El]

Surtur's a tier above either of them. His sword took out Hela in one crushing blow, flattened a city with a swing and took out a small planet. Durability wise being impaled by building sized spikes and taking a blow from Hulk to his crown (his weakest point) only staggered him slightly. Plus going by what his weakened form could do he can also throw torrents of hellfire and it wouldn't surprise me if they're comparable to the full force of a star.

Still, apparently Odin killed him/took the eternal flame from him "half a million years ago or something" so he's not invincible and if Hela doesn't have to risk herself desperately trying to take out Surtur before he destroys the planet I can imagine a drawn out fight. Her spikes were staggering him when they impaled his chest, if they hit his legs they might bring him to his knees and if they hit his arms he might drop his sword.

Add in Stormbreaker Thor whose lightning is ideal for taking on a mountain sized giant without needing to get close, whose flight means Surtur's really going to struggle to hit him and whose striking/cutting power with Stormbreaker is incredible and it becomes less one sided.

If removing Surtur's crown is still a weakness - and I think it is - I see the team winning because Thor knows about it and has the firepower/speed to pull it off. If not then Surtur probably takes it after a tough fight.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I would have to go with Surtur. He took out Hela with 1 hit. Thor and her would be roughly equal power either way if he has Stormbreaker. So I say Surtur.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Oh damn, good one.

As much as I really want to vote for the Odinsiblings purely because they're my favourite MCU characters, I just don't see any way they could beat Prime Surtur, even working together. He can literally crush them both with ease.

I'm presuming the only way you can kill Prime Surtur is by somehow knocking his crown off (like small Surtur), and how would they go about that? Would Hela be able to distract him for long enough with her monster spikes to give Thor the chance to use Stormbreaker to try and break off his crown? I don't see it, Surtur could just crush Hela (like he did in Ragnarok) and then swat Thor off like an annoying insect. He's just too powerful.

 

[Iceman]

Not really, it was an unexpected blow and all it did was make him sway it didn't hurt him in the least.

Thor's head turned when Jane slapped him in TDW and Thanos head turned from Spider-Man and Captain America's attacks. Marvel doesn't seem to be into the whole "stand there unflinching" thing Superman does which really doesn't even make sense.

Maybe they were alluding to Jane Foster Thor.

 

[Thör-El]

Oh damn, good one.

As much as I really want to vote for the Odinsiblings purely because they're my favourite MCU characters, I just don't see any way they could beat Prime Surtur, even working together. He can literally crush them both with ease.

I'm presuming the only way you can kill Prime Surtur is by somehow knocking his crown off (like small Surtur), and how would they go about that? Would Hela be able to distract him for long enough with her monster spikes to give Thor the chance to use Stormbreaker to try and break off his crown? I don't see it, Surtur could just crush Hela (like he did in Ragnarok) and then swat Thor off like an annoying insect. He's just too powerful.

He's far stronger/more durable but I'm not convinced he's faster and I think Hela would play things differently if she wasn't desperately trying to take him out quickly to stop him destroying the planet.

If the crown is a weakness then they should have a chance with Stormbreaker, lightning and skyscraper sized projectiles.

I'd love for them to find a way for Thor to fight Surtur Prime in Thor 4. In Thor #7 (2007) he visits Odin's personal Valhalla for answers and finds Odin battling Surtur to keep him from returning to life. That'd be a fantastic way of doing it (they could even throw in Loki or Heimdall)

 

[Docker2.0]

Going Thor and Hela on this one. People are saying Surtur is a planet buster...........so Thor and Hela isn't? They could easily destroy a planet if they wanted to. It would be a hard fight but I can see scenarios where Thor and Hela pull it out.

 

[BigThor]

I vote Surtur.

 

[NHawk19]

Surtur's weak point I believe is the crown. You have to remove it from him to de-power him. This is a 2 on one I'm assuming Thor has Stormbreaker.

If Hela goes on the offensive, and Surtur turns his attention toward her similar to how he did at the end of Ragnarok, that allows Thor to come in at a different angle with Stormbreaker and knocks the crown off.

Surtur is big and massive and powerful but he only ever really had a singular focus. One on one I'd say he on par with some of the most powerful beings in the MCU. 2 on 1 he has to focus on 2 of the most powerful beings out there.

Hela would probably lose on the offensive drawing his fire same as she did in Ragnarok, and Thor may end up being the sole survivor.

 

[hisham]

surtur is very slow with storm breaker thor or hela could take him because of its flight and power..... also in ragnarok hela was unprepared I think she would have done major damage to surtur if she would be planning to battle surtur ... I think she was killed before she could fight in full power

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

How would Stormbreaker Thor have got on against Hela?

Im inclined to go for Surtur.

Hela was hitting him with swords the size of multi-storey buildings and it didn't even look like it was registering.

However I always feel like the comedic moment they added of Hulk punching him kind of screws with his power level lol.

I wouldn't say "not-registering" but each looked to have about a "hulk" level of impact (maybe slightly more). So Hela was capable of 6-8 "hulks" of damage to Surtur before being overwhelmed by what was (imo) probably a killing blow.

Since pre-"full realization of odin force" thor could only just about take one hulk, i'd say "full-realization of odin force" thor could probably take no more than 2-3 hulks. And stormbreaker thor lets say 3-4. I really dont see 12-15 hulks of damage doing Surtur in. Unless Thor and Hela just fight really well together, being siblings.

Imo he would beat her, but they're on teams in this instance.

Lets say Surtur over Team 7/10.

 

[HammerDown]

I didn't have the chance to vote but i would say Hela and Thor.

Surtur is an absolute beast and too much for anyone to handle in a 1 x 1 situation. Having said that, that pair would take him out... Hela was shown to be powerful enough to injure Surtur and even put him slightly off balance with her giant spikes of hers. Surtur of course was focused only on her at the moment, this time he would be taking very powerful hits from 2 different adversaries at the same time.

Also Surtur's weak point is his crown. If it is removed then the battle is over. Hulk was seen able to deliver some damage with punches to the crown. Thor with Stormbreak will be the one to hit it out of Surtur's head or even cut parts of it with the help of a distraction from Hela. While Surtur is agile and fast for his size he is nowhere near as fast as a flying Thor and the Twilight Sword simply won't be able to catch up with Thor maneuvering in the air.

This is how it would play out. Hela does her usual deal, throws the massive spikes at Surtur and gathers his attention for an instant, Thor flies from above and delivers massive attacks right on the crown either "Bring me Thanos" sort of attacks that would surely damage the crown, or long range attacks from above with Thor "sniping" Surtur at will with Stormbreaker. Meanwhile Hela is just carving him like a Swiss cheese. Thor and Hela manage to confuse, distract and hurt Surtur to the point where Thor goes all out on his crown at knocks is out of his head.

 

[HammerDown]

How would Stormbreaker Thor have got on against Hela?

It would be a much more even fight. Stormbreaker isn't a Hela killing kind but it it a "Thanos killing kind". It's powerful enough to do some insane stuff. Thor will now be able to fly and throw a sharp very powerful weapon from a distance... a weapon that is unknown to Hela who could grab and destroy mjolnir because she was once worthy and the weapon was actually made for her.

Stormbreaker is a different beast all together. She can't just grab it and obliterate it out of the blue. Also Thor would likely shoot massive lighting at her from the hammer, those enough to knock Thanos back fro a decent distance and then Thor would apply the same tactic against Hela by throwing Stormbreaker at her with all his might. She can still conjure some spikes and sort of defenses but i don't see her conjuring something on the scale of a fully powered gauntlet beam... something that couldn't even stop Stormbreaker.

I gotta give it to IW Thor. He is just in a hole other level with that thing.

 

[Iceman]

It would be a much more even fight. Stormbreaker isn't a Hela killing kind but it it a "Thanos killing kind". It's powerful enough to do some insane stuff. Thor will now be able to fly and throw a sharp very powerful weapon from a distance... a weapon that is unknown to Hela who could grab and destroy mjolnir because she was once worthy and the weapon was actually made for her.

Stormbreaker is a different beast all together. She can't just grab it and obliterate it out of the blue. Also Thor would likely shoot massive lighting at her from the hammer, those enough to knock Thanos back fro a decent distance and then Thor would apply the same tactic against Hela by throwing Stormbreaker at her with all his might. She can still conjure some spikes and sort of defenses but i don't see her conjuring something on the scale of a fully powered gauntlet beam... something that couldn't even stop Stormbreaker.

I gotta give it to IW Thor. He is just in a hole other level with that thing.

Thanks for that. It definitely sounds like it would be much more even.

 

[Iceman]

I wouldn't say "not-registering" but each looked to have about a "hulk" level of impact (maybe slightly more). So Hela was capable of 6-8 "hulks" of damage to Surtur before being overwhelmed by what was (imo) probably a killing blow.

Since pre-"full realization of odin force" thor could only just about take one hulk, i'd say "full-realization of odin force" thor could probably take no more than 2-3 hulks. And stormbreaker thor lets say 3-4. I really dont see 12-15 hulks of damage doing Surtur in. Unless Thor and Hela just fight really well together, being siblings.

I'd quite like if they did fight with more chemistry being brother and sister.