The Winter Soldier Mid-credit/after credit scene?

[The Guard]

It's Bucky actually discovering that Captain America was telling the truth. Starting to actually physically rediscover who he is.

And that would have had more impact being properly paced out with the rest of the story.

 

[Guts]

You know, I wonder if Phase 3 is going to have 3 credit scenes? Eventually, they're going to just have to show the credits at the beginning of the movie. Make the whole damn thing a post-credit scene.

or they could just do the same thing they did with the incredible hulk and show the sequel hook right after the movie ends. instead of having to sit there watching the credits.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Loki882]

Especially since the one from TIH ultimately ended up being pretty meaningless.

-The Avengers Initiative was shut down and it took Loki's arrival to get it reactivated.
-Tony wasn't involved in putting the team together. Pepper actually had to convince him even to look at the file.
-General Ross was nowhere to be found, nor was he mentioned.

 

[PunyGod]

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[Rock Sexton]

It's Bucky actually discovering that Captain America was telling the truth. Starting to actually physically rediscover who he is.

And that would have had more impact being properly paced out with the rest of the story.

Semantics. He's going to discover that anyways in Cap 3.

 

[The Guard]

Semantics?

It's a completely different "realization" than we're ever shown Bucky to be having during the rest of the movie. A completely different "level" of awakening and awareness.

And it would have have worked better, in terms of story, pacing, character development, etc, as part of the actual movie.

 

[Guts]

I've noticed that the mid-credit scenes have set up what happens next in the MCU, while the end credits sort of sets up what happens with the characters of the movie.

except for the avengers and thor the dark world. the avengers had the shawarma scene and Thor had the scene showing the ice beast chasing pigeons in London.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Semantics?

It's a completely different "realization" than we're ever shown Bucky to be having during the rest of the movie. A completely different "level" of awakening and awareness.

And it would have have worked better, in terms of story, pacing, character development, etc, as part of the actual movie.

He's going to have the same realization in Cap 3, that's why it doesn't need to work better within this film. It's just a foreshadow if you wanted to stay to the end to watch it.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Exactly. It's a bonus scene that is totally unnecessary (redundant even) to the body of the film itself. The equivalent of a deleted scene in a dvd package. Odd critique.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Exactly. It's a bonus scene that is totally unnecessary (redundant even) to the body of the film itself. The equivalent of a deleted scene in a dvd package. Odd critique.

Bingo.

 

[Heretic]

except for the avengers and thor the dark world. the avengers had the shawarma scene and Thor had the scene showing the ice beast chasing pigeons in London.

The Avengers also had the Thanos scene and Thor 2 introduced The Collector.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly. It's a bonus scene that is totally unnecessary (redundant even) to the body of the film itself. The equivalent of a deleted scene in a dvd package. Odd critique.

How can it be redundant when it presents new information and is completely relevant to the (already limited) character development of a main supporting character?

 

[Rock Sexton]

How can it be redundant when it presents new information and is completely relevant to the (already limited) character development of a main supporting character?

You still think they're going to NOT cover that in Cap 3? C'mon Guard.

 

[Heretic]

What is so wrong about having a bonus scene to pop the crowd and get them excited for the next installment? Comic books do it all the time in epilogues. The movie epilogues are a part of the overall story. Deleted scenes on DVDs are not.

 

[The Guard]

You're all dramatically missing my point here.

It is not that I fear they won't cover the concept in Cap 3. It is that what happens is a part of the film that would have worked better in the film itself, and would have better served the film by being attached to it and properly paced and placed within it.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Bucky is basically rediscovering who he is, and likely will be out for blood in Cap 3. This is all going to be covered. This scene isn't Bucky finding out who he is, he is placing a face on the name in order to get his lost memories back. That one scene doesn't mean he has his memories, now. I don't mind having the sequel set-up post credits.

 

[PacificBoy]

How can it be redundant when it presents new information and is completely relevant to the (already limited) character development of a main supporting character?

But what new information about the character does that scene present? He already came to this level of conflicted awareness when he saved Cap and dragged him out of the river.

The character development is purposefully 'limited' in this movie I feel. As Natasha puts it, he's a ghost. Not only as a ghostly harbinger of swift death but also a ghost from Steve's past who slowly becomes material towards the end.

 

[PunyGod]

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[The Guard]

The movie is pretty vague about what he does and doesn't remember about his past. It's even vague about why he saves Cap's life.

However, that final scene shows us that Bucky is now actively seeking out and finding out information about his past.

This is not redundant. This is new information as well as a new development.

 

[Rock Sexton]

The movie is pretty vague about what he does and doesn't remember about his past. It's even vague about why he saves Cap's life.

However, that final scene shows us that Bucky is now actively seeking out and finding out information about his past.

This is not redundant. This is new information as well as a new development.

.... and information you'll be getting in Cap3, which is why it doesn't need to be placed within the actual Cap 2 film. It's just a fun foreshadowing for those patient enough to sit there to watch it.

 

[Heretic]

The difference is that he may not remember the man he once was...but he knows that he was a good man, worthy of respect to the point where his country has a permanent memorial in a museum for him. It could very well be like reading a novel about a fictional character...and then realizing that you ARE that character and have been cheated out of a life. This should enrage him. Hydra is in big, big trouble now.

 

[The Guard]

Exactly. A major new development.

 

[PacificBoy]

Good points, Heretic and Guard. It's probably better placed as the movie's actual end, but I'm not hugely fussed seeing it's part of the overall movie in the post credits. That is, there's actually this scene.

 

[metaphysician]

It looks like they are going with her old school "hex power" which is basically telekinesis and not the reality altering mind warping stuff they gave her later on.

I can't agree. She didn't just levitate the blocks. Right at the end, she seemed to violently transform one of them. I'm pretty sure her powers are a lot more complex than simple telekinesis.

As for the Avengers getting them on their side: I *seriously* doubt they are loyal volunteers for the HYDRA cause. Breaking whatever brainwashing ( mundane or esoteric ) they are under would be half the job right there. Providing a helping hand and a new home would be the other half.