Millburn NJ Home Invasion

Ohhhh I hope some evil vicious karma finds that POS.

 

Maybe Anonymous will find him?

 

That's a definite possibility.

 

Not that I've seen. Not surprised either since it's a good example of why it might actually be good to own a simple hand gun in your house for just these kind of moments.

 

And do what? Tweet out his emails? Anon has never done anything worth a damn, doubt theyll start now.

Yea home invasions are some of the best arguments for owning a weapon, which is one of the reasons i own several, however, in this instance i dont think it matters. I mean i put myself in this situation, my pistol is upstairs on my night stand, so if i were chilling downstairs watching TV and some thug kicks in my door, i prob dont have time to get up to my room to grab my gun. Altho, no one is kicking down my door in one kick either, but my point is still valid.

 

You really need to read about the Steubenville rape case. Three huys raped a 15 year old at a party and multiple people took pictures and posted it on facebook and twitter. It was a small football town. The three boys were star players. The town blamed the girl and harassed her family. Well the pictures got taken down and the boys and the parents tried to act like it didn't happen. Anonymous heard about it and like all tech people know nothing can be deleted entirely they dug out the pictures and all the information and posted in on the web. It brought nation wide attention to the situation and the town couldn't bury it. A 15 year old victim got some justice and the boys got jail time.

 

If she had had a gun, and did end up killing the intruder, would shooting the ceiling a couple of times afterward as "warning shots" be enough to keep her from going to trial?

 

I've seen it 3 other places, well once, 'cause I won't watch it again. It's really too much to handle. That was one tough lady, her 3 year old daughter was on the couch through it all and her one year son was upstairs asleep.

 

Why are some of you making this a gun thing? I don't get it. "Oh if she had a gun..." How is that relevant right now?

 

Just an observation, as the intruder was close enough that she could've done some damage if she got off a good shot. So its relevant in that there was a chance that some of the beating could've been averted. Which is better than no chance. That aside, I'm not arguing about gun rights.

Edit: Only the people who feel a need to argue about it here, rather than propose alternative suggestions as to how the victim could/could have defended herself (or simply reference this incident in their pro/anti gun stance in the gun thread), would bring in the argument.

 

But bringing up guns in this thread will eventually lead to that.

 

Hopefully this piece of crap coward gets it one day at the wrong end of a barrel of a gun.

 

Don't you know, guns solve everything. Nevermind that proper gun safety (keeping the gun and ammo seperate, locked up and out of reach of children) almost certainly means she'd have been beaten and potentially shot with her own gun.

Though if she knew ahead of time she probably could have unlocked the gun, loaded it and shot the guy several times... or called the police or grabbed her children and hidden or gotten out of the house. But that didn't happen because in reality you're not always ready and armed to shoot intruders or have to escape. This isn't a gun owners issue and I would find it incredibly ironic and telling if she did own a gun just to drive home it doesn't solve every crime that occurs.

 

self-defense training might have been more useful, in this instance. a well placed poke to the eye works wonders.

 

Or a knee to the groin, or a punch to the throat... having a frying pan in hand could have worked too.

 

There are just too many what ifs concerning her having a gun or not.

If she had a gun, that guy could have taken it from her and killed her with it. Even if she had a gun in the house, she probably wouldn't have been able to get to it.

 

She was watching TV with her kid when he kicked the door in and rushed her. Unless she was hanging out next to her child with her gun in her lap, there is no way her owning a gun would have changed this situation.

 

Exactly.

 

Im not surprised this isnt getting more Media attention - pro gunners would use it as ammo, which is also why mainstream media never talks about home invasions that were stopped/prevented by the home owner legally using their gun in self defense.

That being said, even as someone who strongly supports our right to own guns for self defense, a gun would not have helped here. It all happened way too fast. I think we should be looking at the judicial system right now. Why was this guy released from jail so soon? Histories of violence and multiple crimes really need to be taken into a far larger account when considering punishment and ability for parole. This guy shouldn't have been released in the first place. Also, I think home security systems should be free, or at least subsidized. That would decrease home invasions if burglars knew every house was protected. The threat of a home owner having a gun isn't enough, especially on this anti-gun climate.

Free or low cost home security plus tougher sentencing and stricter parole policies would have helped prevent this situation far more than a gun could have. A gun should be the last line of defense; of the aforementioned points where carried out, people's need for weapons would be less great.

 

I'm actually guessing it isn't making major news because the intruder didn't kill anyone, and nobody wants to air brutal footage of a beating on prime time.

And there HAS been media coverage of people using guns to defend themselves. There was that young widowed mother in Oklahoma who blew a guy away with her shotgun. Multiple guys were beating down her doors and windows, and she called 911 after barricading her door. She had time to get her gun ready, because those guys tried for almost 20 minutes. (I bet most home invasions won't take nearly as long...the argument that most lawful gun owners wouldn't get to their guns in time is very valid.) The dispatcher told her "do what ever you can to protect your baby" and she blew the guy away AFTER he entered her home. Which is perfectly legal - if you're home when someone breaks in, you can assume they mean you harm and respond with deadly force.

I'm glad they caught him, and yes, I hope he gets his comeuppance in prison. It's one thing to burglarize a house in desperation, and it's quite another to do THAT. That mother was incredibly brave for trying to keep her children calm.

 

If someone came into my house demanding to know where the money is I'd like to know as well.

 

I'd tell them to ask Jerry McGuire.