More Money Than They Will Ever Need.

[Ahura Mazda]

Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have done a lot for charity. Practically everyone you listed have. They have donated millions upon millions of dollars, more than you or I will ever see in our life time.

I love the way a thread like this pops up every now and then. We shouldn't punish people for being successful. That is essentially communism. Granted, some people are born into it...but that doesn't change the fact that someone, somewhere in their family line worked hard to ensure his or her future generations would be financially secure. If they want to keep it all locked up in a vault, then so be it. It is THEIR MONEY. Not the government's to allocate out as they see fit.

And T-D-K, how much money did you give to charity last year? Do you own an X-Box 360? A DVD player? A nice TV? Any luxury items? How about a car? If so, what kind? If you bought it new, why didn't you buy a $4,000 car isntead and give the difference to charity? I mean, hell, the 10-20 thousand dollar difference would feed an entire African village for a coupel years and surely you don't NEED a new car, simply one that runs well. Why shouldn't you be held to your own standards?

Try Billions - The gates have donated over 35 billion whereas Buffet has donated alll his stock worth 44 today.

 

[Matt]

Try Billions - The gates have donated over 35 billion whereas Buffet has donated alll his stock worth 44 today.

And yet TDK considers his donations more meaningful?

 

[Matt]

Your post is ridiculous and I'm going to assume your just jealous.

Listen, those people (minus Paris Hilton) you mentioned all earned and worked hard for their money. In short...they deserve it!

I'm sorry but there is no law that you must use your wealth to help other third world countries or the poor in your own country. I think the fact that they make contributions from their own free will is good enough, especially when they could just tell the poor to "F*** themselves".

If you want to ***** and complain about people who have way more money than they need. Complain about all the athletes out there. Most of them make waaay too much for playing what is essentially a childs game.

They buy multiple cars and houses and spend more than they have. When those meatheads wake up and realize they've spent too much, they cry for more money.

In all fairness, even Paris deserves her money. Her grandfather worked hard to ensure his children and his children's children and their children would all be financially secure. Can't begrudge him that.

 

[Matt]

But....isn't that the exact purpose of internet message boards in the first place?

Touche

 

[The Lizard]

Ah, let's give T-D-K a break. He's probably just in that period of illogically raging against the capitalist machine that most 16-22 year olds go through.

 

[Figs]

In all fairness, even Paris deserves her money. Her grandfather worked hard to ensure his children and his children's children and their children would all be financially secure. Can't begrudge him that.

I won't begrudge him that. Just didn't think she was a "fair" example of someone who worked hard for it and "truly" deserves it.

 

[Vilya]

Successful people who give, set good examples for other wealthy people to give more.

 

[SuBe]

I won't begrudge him that. Just didn't think she was a "fair" example of someone who worked hard for it and "truly" deserves it.

Who decides who deserves it?

 

[Gilpesh]

These people have way more money than they will ever need, than any of us will ever need, its time they gave something back.

Your thoughts?

YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING.

There you go.

Just because people are better off than you, mostly because they are much better at making money than you or poor people in other countries. If you dare punish people for being successful, no one will ever work to become successful, so then all those rich people disappear and you're left with a bunch of poor people that don't want achieve anything lest they be stuck back down, because you are jealous.

 

[Figs]

Who decides who deserves it?

Whatever man. It's common sense what I'm talking about and you know it.

She inherited it, so it's hers. I'm talking about people who busted their ass to get where they are and "truly" deserved/earned their wealth.

It sucks that some countries are starving and poor as dirt but that's how the cards fell in life for everyone. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to help others...just that NO ONE is responsible to have to.

 

[StorminNorman]

Every day people die in third world countries from easily preventable diseases, people all over the world are starving, dying. People living on the breadline trying striving to make ends meet.

All the while people like Bill Gates, Steven Speilberg, George Lucas, Donald Trump, The Hiltons & Bill Gates right hand man sit on billions upon billions of dollars. Okay so they give something to charity but it should still be noted that these people as well as the overly rich famous live lives that other people could only dream.

People like footballer David Beckham who earn just under a million pounds a week yet he gives twenty thousand pounds to charity? twenty thousand? thats like you or i giving five pound/dollars.

I remember watching Children in need (british telethon for abused children, child cares & ill or dying children) kelly osborn was on there with her mother sharon saying 'lets give ten thousand pounds' to which her daughter replyed no we can do better than that 'lets give twenty' a week earlier i watched 'The Osbournes' with Sharon being excited that her 2 new cars were so cheap at a mere one hundred thousand dollars each.

It's stupid that people are allowed to earn so much, spend money on stupid things (a diamond encrusted skull was sold at auction last year for millions of pounds made by Damien Hirst) All the while people are dying from things that could so easily be prevented, contaminated water for one.

There should be a tax for people like Gates, Hilton Et al, never mind there contributions, they should have to give a certain amount to charity each year, not what they want to give.

These people have way more money than they will ever need, than any of us will ever need, its time they gave something back.

Your thoughts?

People with money have earned the right to give to causes as they want and see fit. No one should tell them how much they should give to charity - where it should go.

Plus the Earth needs people dying of hunger, disease, etc. Its natural order. We make it so that all people on this world have an easy life - the world gets over populated.

 

[CieloAzul]

1. If you got it, flaunt it. People make money to have nice things. I'm sure if someone gave those people who were "in need" billions of dollars they're not going to live just off the bare neccesities and donate the rest.

2. Almost all of the billionaires and millionares donate their money.

3. They have to to keep the IRS monkey off their back and out of their pockets.

 

[StorminNorman]

But you really think it'sok that peopleearn millions a week and give so little back?

Yes.

 

[SuBe]

YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANYTHING.

There you go.

Just because people are better off than you, mostly because they are much better at making money than you or poor people in other countries. If you dare punish people for being successful, no one will ever work to become successful, so then all those rich people disappear and you're left with a bunch of poor people that don't want achieve anything lest they be stuck back down, because you are jealous.

Exactly, and this is exactly where our current tax code is headed. Basically if you do good. You are punished. If you make the right choices in life, you are punished. It's just like getting Straight A's in School and getting a detention for it. If you work hard and earn good money, you have to pay more taxes because of it. It's not fair. That is why we need a Fairtax. You can go to the Link in my sig to learn more.

 

[SuBe]

Whatever man. It's common sense what I'm talking about and you know it.

She inherited it, so it's hers. I'm talking about people who busted their ass to get where they are and "truly" deserved/earned their wealth.

It sucks that some countries are starving and poor as dirt but that's how the cards fell in life for everyone. Doesn't mean you shouldn't try to help others...just that NO ONE is responsible to have to.

I just want to know, who decides who deserves what? Is it the Government's role to decide who deserves the money they have, is it the Government's role to decide how much you can spend and on what? Once people start to make legeslation that dictats that, we've become a Communistic Society.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

And yet TDK considers his donations more meaningful?

Did i once say that?

Please show me where i said that.

 

[Superman79]

Last I heard on Warren Buffett, was that he was giving away 80% of his money to charity. Which is about $30 Billion.

I Just feel it's up the person themselves whether or not they wish to give money away or not.

Actually, he's giving more than that away...last I knew each of his kids were getting about $1 million each in inheritance, and the rest is all charity.

I believe Bill Gates is doing something similar when he dies.

Bully for them I say

 

[Mr. Credible]

Did i once say that?

Please show me where i said that.

i'd say you pretty well implied it with your little "their giving $20,000 is like me giving $5"


well, that may be true, but i guarantee that their donation is helping a lot more people than yours is.


and i'll ask again what many have asked you already: what are you doing to help that makes you so worthy of your soap-box?

 

[Figs]

I just want to know, who decides who deserves what? Is it the Government's role to decide who deserves the money they have, is it the Government's role to decide how much you can spend and on what? Once people start to make legeslation that dictats that, we've become a Communistic Society.

I think you need to read my past posts again in this thread. I'm not agreeing with the notion that these wealthy people 'need' to give to charity. I'm of the opinion that it is their money and they can do whatever they want with it, and shouldn't have to deal with people pointing at them telling them to give their money to charity.

I wasn't saying the over paid atheletes need to be told what they can or can't buy either. Just that if people like Gates, Spielberg or Trump are getting judged for having so much 'earned' wealth, the athletes should as well.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

i'd say you pretty well implied it with your little "their giving $20,000 is like me giving $5"


well, that may be true, but i guarantee that their donation is helping a lot more people than yours is.


and i'll ask again what many have asked you already: what are you doing to help that makes you so worthy of your soap-box?

If you work out how much i earn in a year compared to the beckhams thats the equivelent of them giving £5.00.

As for how much i've given i dont know, i dont keep count but i'm not stingey.

As for my 'soap box' all i'm saying is there are people around the world dying of easily preventable diseases while george lucas releases coutless versions of the same film demands higher amounts to the rights of his creations (sideshow recentley pulled out and will no longer manufacture the lightsabre props after lucasfilm s demands for the licence went too hige, over double the original price, but i digress) Ok so he's earned it, but he could give more back.

Would it be so bad to bring in a tax 30p a week from each person in the world (or higher depending on your income and obviously excluding the 3rd world and the like) to make the third world a better place?

Though it should also be taken into consideratuion what a previous poster added that people in the third world seem to over populate themselves.

 

[Matt]

These people have way more money than they will ever need, than any of us will ever need, its time they gave something back.

Your thoughts?

I've been thinking more and more about this. Who says they don't give anything back? If Bill Gates never gave a single dime to charity (and we know he gives billions)...how can you still say he gives nothing back? He employs hundreds of thousands of people. From unskilled, uneducated factory assembly line workers to people with PhDs. That in turn gives them money by which to live, in addition to pumping millions of dollars into our economy through the purchase and sale of his products. Same with Trump, the Hiltons, Buffet, etc. I'd say the wealthy give quite a bit back.

Would it be so bad to bring in a tax 30p a week from each person in the world (or higher depending on your income and obviously excluding the 3rd world and the like) to make the third world a better place?

Also, why should the government tell them how to spend their earned income? Lets assume you make 40,000 dollars a year, TDK. How would you like it if the government told you that you have to give X-ammount to charity?

 

[Figs]

If you work out how much i earn in a year compared to the beckhams thats the equivelent of them giving £5.00.

As for how much i've given i dont know, i dont keep count but i'm not stingey.

As for my 'soap box' all i'm saying is there are people around the world dying of easily preventable diseases while george lucas releases coutless versions of the same film demands higher amounts to the rights of his creations (sideshow recentley pulled out and will no longer manufacture the lightsabre props after lucasfilm s demands for the licence went too hige, over double the original price, but i digress) Ok so he's earned it, but he could give more back.

Would it be so bad to bring in a tax 30p a week from each person in the world (or higher depending on your income and obviously excluding the 3rd world and the like) to make the third world a better place?

Though it should also be taken into consideratuion what a previous poster added that people in the third world seem to over populate themselves.

I'm glad you used the word 'could' where It's in bold. It should never be the goverenments choice to tell people how to spend their money when it comes to charity.

They already have 'the people' by the balls when it comes to taking taxes. We don't need them forcing us(even if it's just the rich) to give money to charitys.

 

[Jerry!]

Again, the most important rule : Look out for Number One. Worry about the rest of the world afterwards.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I've been thinking more and more about this. Who says they don't give anything back? If Bill Gates never gave a single dime to charity (and we know he gives billions)...how can you still say he gives nothing back? He employs hundreds of thousands of people. From unskilled, uneducated factory assembly line workers to people with PhDs. That in turn gives them money by which to live, in addition to pumping millions of dollars into our economy through the purchase and sale of his products. Same with Trump, the Hiltons, Buffet, etc. I'd say the wealthy give quite a bit back.

Also, why should the government tell them how to spend their earned income? Lets assume you make 40,000 dollars a year, TDK. How would you like it if the government told you that you have to give X-ammount to charity?

The first part i never knew, as to your question if i was making as much as say lucas, hilton or gates i'd be fine with it, i'd do it volunterily. As human beings we should give something back, and if i was as rich as these guys i'd give something back.

Each month i give to charity, i just wish i could give more, do more to make the world a better place, be in a position to make it a better place. so many people in the world have that chance (i'm talking politicians) yet seem more happy to line there own pockets. i just wish we lived in a better place.

 

[The-Dark-Knight]

I'm glad you used the word 'could' where It's in bold. It should never be the goverenments choice to tell people how to spend their money when it comes to charity.

They already have 'the people' by the balls when it comes to taking taxes. We don't need them forcing us(even if it's just the rich) to give money to charitys.

very true, but 30p would not make that much diffrence to us, combined from each of us it could really make the world that much better.