Most Memorable Acting Moments

[Jack O Lantern]

 

[Brainiac 8]

You're correct, those red X's are similar...

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Just right click, go to properties copy, the address, put it in the address bar and they will work

 

[avidreader]

I know Smallville fandom seems to attract alot of Buffy/Angel fans (me not being one of them) but do you honestly think that the writers sit through every episode of every sci-fi genre out there, just to copy scenes from those shows.

I dont think so.

And I also bet, that a scene such as that may have previously been seen on another TV show.

I just think with the average age group of Smallville viewers, all they have to reference in TV past, is Buffy/Angel.

However, it still doesnt take away from just how much of an impact that scene had on the viewers of this show.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I know Smallville fandom seems to attract alot of Buffy/Angel fans (me not being one of them) but do you honestly think that the writers sit through every episode of every sci-fi genre out there, just to copy scenes from those shows.

I dont think so.

And I also bet, that a scene such as that may have previously been seen on another TV show.

I just think with the average age group of Smallville viewers, all they have to reference in TV past, is Buffy/Angel.

However, it still doesnt take away from just how much of an impact that scene had on the viewers of this show.

Well I'm proably average age, being as I'm the same age as Clark. This was a major moment in Angel history, there is no way that either DeKnight nor Marsters did not know about it. Its not like its a similar scene to some obsecure show, it ran alongside Smallville, on the same show and was even unjustly cancelled due to Smallville (a decison that made no sense), they new of that scene and just ripped it off.

 

[Brainiac 8]

I know Smallville fandom seems to attract alot of Buffy/Angel fans (me not being one of them) but do you honestly think that the writers sit through every episode of every sci-fi genre out there, just to copy scenes from those shows.

I dont think so.

And I also bet, that a scene such as that may have previously been seen on another TV show.

I just think with the average age group of Smallville viewers, all they have to reference in TV past, is Buffy/Angel.

However, it still doesnt take away from just how much of an impact that scene had on the viewers of this show.

 

[avidreader]

Well I'm proably average age, being as I'm the same age as Clark. This was a major moment in Angel history, there is no way that either DeKnight nor Marsters did not know about it. Its not like its a similar scene to some obsecure show, it ran alongside Smallville, on the same show

I'm sorry but I just dont believe TPTB remember as much about their TV shows as we do.

and was even unjustly cancelled due to Smallville (a decison that made no sense), they new of that scene and just ripped it off.

I guess that explains why the fandom is so bitter about Smallville. However, if I remember correctly Angel wasnt produced by the WB and it was quite an expensive undertaking for them to renew it past Season 5, which I believe was the real reason for its cancellation.

 

[triplet]

Actually I'm saying it is unoriginal for them take a scene straight out of Angel and put it in Smallville. In Season 1 of Angel, Doyle dies, we then see Angel and Cordelia watch a home video of Doyle where he says "Is that it, I'm I done" Its basically the same scene.

That is why it is a rip-off

So every scene of a person seeing a loved one on a home video and grieving is a rip off from Angel?

The idea isn't exactly original...

The movie the Sixth Sense has a pivotal scene where the Bruce Willis' wife watches their wedding home movie and grieves his loss...

That movie came out in August of 99, Angel didn't preem until October of that year...

So, I guess you're upset that a tv show that ripped off a movie got ripped off...

 

[Cmill216]

So every scene of a person seeing a loved one on a home video and grieving is a rip off from Angel?

The idea isn't exactly original...

The movie the Sixth Sense has a pivotal scene where the Bruce Willis' wife watches their wedding home movie and grieves his loss...

I distinctly remember Supernatural doing it as well.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I'm sorry but I just dont believe TPTB remember as much about their TV shows as we do.

They'd remember this epsiode. It was a show designed to prove that Angel wasn't like Buffy, that it was darker and edgier, they did this by having a main character die 8 shows into Season 1.

I guess that explains why the fandom is so bitter about Smallville. However, if I remember correctly Angel wasnt produced by the WB and it was quite an expensive undertaking for them to renew it past Season 5, which I believe was the real reason for its cancellation.

I was never aware that there were any bitterness, Jesus Christ there just TV shows. It was cancelled because it was a Fox show shown on the WB, but odds are that if not for Smallville sucess it would have continued, plus I think that Season Smallville ratings dropped and Angel's went up which is why the decison was kind of confusion

So every scene of a person seeing a loved one on a home video and grieving is a rip off from Angel?

The idea isn't exactly original...

The movie the Sixth Sense has a pivotal scene where the Bruce Willis' wife watches their wedding home movie and grieves his loss...

That movie came out in August of 99, Angel didn't preem until October of that year...

So, I guess you're upset that a tv show that ripped off a movie got ripped off...

Guess somebody missed the point. The scene isn't a rip off simply because they are watching a home movie, its a rip off because both characters (sort of) break the forth wall at the end, if I remember correctly Johnathon says "Goodbye" and Doyle says "Is that it, am I done?"

 

[AgentPat]

Actually I'm saying it is unoriginal for them take a scene straight out of Angel and put it in Smallville. In Season 1 of Angel, Doyle dies, we then see Angel and Cordelia watch a home video of Doyle where he says "Is that it, I'm I done" Its basically the same scene.

That is why it is a rip-off

Eh? You know how many TV shows and films have used the plot device of showing a character grieving while watching a home video of a deceased loved one? It's done All The Time. Why? Because it WORKS. It's something real people actually do. When done well, it elicits a deep emotional pathos from an audience because they care about the characters and can relate to their pain. Jeeze, even the hardened cynics over at TWOP had this to say about that scene from Vengeance:

On TV, [Jonathan] tells Clark to wave bye-bye. [Jonathan] appears in close-up. He lifts a hand and says, "Bye-bye." Clark cries, a tear rolling down his cheek. [Martha] sees the watch on Clark's hand. She comes to him. She smiles, her heart melting. They hug. Clark starts sobbing in [Martha's] arms. He sniffles. The camera pulls back out of the living room as [Jonathan's] face is frozen on the television. We go to black as Clark continues to cry. Look. If you've been watching the show for a long time, it's impossible not to cry while watching this scene. I just did it for the second time. I ***** a lot, and there's a whole lot of us who are bitter and jaded, but this scene came out of nowhere and just beat us right in the heart. Very, very nicely done ending. Damn, that was sad and sweet.

 

[triplet]

Guess somebody missed the point. The scene isn't a rip off simply because they are watching a home movie, its a rip off because both characters (sort of) break the forth wall at the end, if I remember correctly Johnathon says "Goodbye" and Doyle says "Is that it, am I done?"

I believe Bruce says something to the camera in The Sixth Sense that also breaks the fourth wall....

 

[Jack O Lantern]

What does he say?

Plus who really care's what people think at TWOP, don't they think that Chloe is Lois, despite Lois being in the show?

 

[AgentPat]

The movie the Sixth Sense has a pivotal scene where the Bruce Willis' wife watches their wedding home movie and grieves his loss...

I distinctly remember Supernatural doing it as well.

We could be here all day quoting other films and shows that did it LONG before freakin' Angel OR Smallville.

To wit, anybody see this movie...

Similar genre? Yup
Similar story - kinda Supermanish? Yup
Scene with a wife watching the videos of her deceased husband? Yup
Fourth wall breakage? Yup

This is a silly debate.

The whole reason the scene from Vengeance was posted is because it was a memorable acting moment from SV that broke our hearts. If all some people see is a rip-off in that scene, I submit those individuals should NOT be watching SV cause they simply don't care about the characters, and that's what it's all about.

 

[triplet]

What does he say?

I don't remember what he said...

 

[avidreader]

What about the movie with Nicole Kidman and Michael Keaton. Michael Keaton's character is dying of cancer and he leaves a video for his unborn son. After he dies we see Kidman and the baby watching Daddy on the video, and Daddy says bye bye to the baby.

Got any more?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

The whole reason the scene from Vengeance was posted is because it was a memorable acting moment from SV that broke our hearts. If all some people see is a rip-off in that scene, I submit those individuals should NOT be watching SV cause they simply don't care about the characters, and that's what it's all about.

Ok I'll admitt I've been proven wrong and its not a rip off of Angel. But to suggest that I don't care about the characters because I immediately thought rip off is totally wrong, i mean I watch Season 1 and 2 and wish that Clark and Lana could still be that way and Lex and Clark could still be that way, thats when I enjoyed the show the most.

A good portion of Angel's audience now watch Smallville, including me, and I'm sure most people know that. The second that video started to play, I thought Angel, Doyle, Hero(the epsiodes name) I was taking straight out of the scene and straight out of any emotional attachment I might of had, and actually straight into thinking about Doyle, which is far more emotional for me given that the actor is now dead. I'm sure it was proably the same for a lot of other people to.

 

[AgentPat]

Ok I'll admitt I've been proven wrong and its not a rip off of Angel. But to suggest that I don't care about the characters because I immediately thought rip off is totally wrong,

I guess it was your initial comment: "Yeah that was a great scene in Angel, its a shame they choose to rip it off rather than finding their own ending."

I see similarities (sometimes even "rip-offs") in shows and films all the time. Depending upon how they're done, the scene will either make me roll my eyes (as you implied), or it will be genuine and appropriate given the situation presented.

I've seen the video shtick done many MANY times. But its usage in Vengeance as a plot device for closure never once entered my mind. Is it a cliché? Yes. Is it used a LOT? Absolutely! Did I cry like a baby while watching it? Hell yeah! I guess that's the point.

PS: I never saw a single episode of Angel.

 

[rumpuso]

I'm going to go with Rosetta. While the scene between Clark and Dr. Swann was pretty incredible to watch for any fan, I was honestly blown away by the powerful acting between John Schneider and Tom Welling in the final scene in the cellar between Jonathan and Clark. Not only did Tom bring depth to this scene showing the viewer his devastation as he read the kryptonian writing from the ship, but John Schneider completely owned his role as Clark's daddy, devastated and afraid for his boy, but doing his d*mndest to be strong. Both actors gave stellar performances in this episode and it also marks the first episode I was completely blown away by this show....the first of many.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Well I'm proably average age, being as I'm the same age as Clark. This was a major moment in Angel history, there is no way that either DeKnight nor Marsters did not know about it. Its not like its a similar scene to some obsecure show, it ran alongside Smallville, on the same show and was even unjustly cancelled due to Smallville (a decison that made no sense), they new of that scene and just ripped it off.

you buffy/angel fans crack me up, you act like Joss Whedon invented episodic television for christ's sake.

and also Angel's cancellation has NOTHING to do with Smallville, that's the most ridiculous assertion I've heard yet. Where do you get things like this? Smallville existed fine along Angel and they were a decent pairing together on Tuesday nights. You can blame Buffy leaving for UPN and Angel's cancellation on Whedon's issues with Warner Bros, nothing more.

 

[M.O.Steel]

I can't believe no one mentioned..."I'M NOT DONE YET!!!"

 

[Jack O Lantern]

you buffy/angel fans crack me up, you act like Joss Whedon invented episodic television for christ's sake.

and also Angel's cancellation has NOTHING to do with Smallville, that's the most ridiculous assertion I've heard yet. Where do you get things like this? Smallville existed fine along Angel and they were a decent pairing together on Tuesday nights. You can blame Buffy leaving for UPN and Angel's cancellation on Whedon's issues with Warner Bros, nothing more.

J. August Richards who played Charles Gunn on the show said it. So it must be true

 

[cujo66]

^ Couldnt help coming over to kick the sand castle eh? there's been plenty of decent acting performances on the show. No one implied Smallville is going to be replacing Roots any time soon, however there have been some memorable performances on the show especially from the likes of Glover, Rosenbaum, and O'Toole who are all tremendously talented actors and have appeared on the stage as well.

Emmy's are popularity contests and not much more. Hence the reason dreck like Desperate Housewives wins them each year. The comparison of the show to Dawson's Creeik got old around 2002.

Well I just joined last year, so give me some time to catch up.t: