Movies that don't hold up

Maybe I am a prude but I think the way Rosamund Pike's character is treated in Jack Reacher seems ...questionable, especially in the post-#MeToo age. The way McQuarrie focuses on her cleavage and lights her face was very distracting and male gaze-y.

Or maybe Rosamund Pike lights up the room herself?

How should this have been handled with Pike? I'm curious because on one hand we cannot stand conservatism and on the other we don't want people to express themselves.
 
so a caricature basically... ok

just wondering, what we all going to complain about in 20 years from the movies now...

too much violence against our alien friends.... they were so misunderstood back in the days of avengers...

how dare they eat meat back then... didn't they know food would be fabricated in a lab?

sheesh, how dare they make eye contact with each other... my covid 56 shield is mown personal space....


God dammit, people making love.... that's so disgusting, everyone knows it's in a sterile lab...

I think we can all use a bit of common sense and realize society changes and therefore the entertainment we watch will reflect that... don't mean we are all heathens for enjoying something for what it is...

You may have over-exaggerated on this one to get your point across. I see what you're saying though.
 
Maybe I am a prude but I think the way Rosamund Pike's character is treated in Jack Reacher seems ...questionable, especially in the post-#MeToo age. The way McQuarrie focuses on her cleavage and lights her face was very distracting and male gaze-y.
sex sells, Henry Cavill in MOS saving a crew on a rig, 'quick... close up of his abs'... we even had that female interviewer gush all over him during the tours, sure it's way more common for men to see women in a sexualized way, but it happens.. I think when it's obvious, and it takes me out the movie is when I have issues.. I don't mind watching uncomfortable scenes that are cringe or wrong, because I know my own moral standard and realize it's a movie... but when I see character do something, that again, takes me out of the moment, I have issue... like Bond in Spectre, he forced himself on that lady.. I just, I just didn't like that scene, because I felt it was at odds with Bond's character from what we have seen before, it was just cringe... Connery and Moore did as much, but the way it was done, I could believe it that moment it worked.. it's like cancelling 'baby it's cold outside every Christmas' because some think it's aggressive but then praising WAP.

We gunna talk about Luke lusting after his sister or Marty having his mum after him..
 
. it's like cancelling 'baby it's cold outside every Christmas' because some think it's aggressive but then praising WAP.

Exactly my point.
 
I recently re-watched the first two Austin Powers movies and thought the same. The humor that made me laugh when I was a kid just didn't do anything for me now. That said, the first movie was still decently entertaining anyway, especially with Liz Hurley playing it straight against Mike Myers' crazy antics.

Austin Powers the character has lost some of his appeal for me but Dr Evil is still great.

I'd also add Dr Evil's son Scott played by Seth Green. Especially since his character got some of the best lines.
 
Me, I've never been especially impressed with the "But we all did stupid stuff" defense. Just because 'you' did something in your past doesn't mean its okay. It could be wrong now, *and also was wrong then, too*. It just means that. . . stuff you did in the past was actually wrong.

Maybe instead of excusing it in others as a way to avoid any feelings of guilt in themselves, they should just admit "Hey, maybe I am not a perfect saint, and should perhaps encourage others to be better people than I was at that age".
But who decides what's wrong and should people be attacked for that?
 
But who decides what's wrong and should people be attacked for that?
It's an attack to find humor meant to degrade people based on their skin color or gender distasteful? To think it has no place in modern society?

I can somehow still watch Gone with the Wind, poke fun of it's absurd racism and find it deplorable, and enjoy the movie. If the the truth feels like an attack on a person, they probably require some self-reflection. If one can't enjoy the movie knowing the truth, maybe they should consider why they ever liked it in the first place.
 
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It's an attack to find humor meant to degrade people based on their skin color or gender distasteful? To think it has no place in modern society?

I can somehow still watch Gone with the Wind, poke fun of it's absurd racism and find it deplorable, and enjoy the movie. If the the truth feels like an attack on a person, they probably require some self-reflection. If one can't enjoy the movie knowing the truth, maybe they should consider why they ever liked it in the first place.
I didn't say it did. But that doesn't mean there aren't people who would actually attack people over that, insult them, wish death on them, tell them to hurt and/or kill themself.
 
I didn't say it did. But that doesn't mean there aren't people who would actually attack people over that, insult them, wish death on them, tell them to hurt and/or kill themself.
I am sure you are capable of listing the numerous cases of people who have been so "viciously attacked", they harmed themselves. A list so long, it would compare to the amount of people of color, members of the LGBTQIA community and women in general who face all that, for simply existing.

Must be a lot of work concerning yourself with *******s on twitter getting ratioed for being awful, as opposed to actual disenfranchised groups.
 
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so a caricature basically... ok

just wondering, what we all going to complain about in 20 years from the movies now...

too much violence against our alien friends.... they were so misunderstood back in the days of avengers...

how dare they eat meat back then... didn't they know food would be fabricated in a lab?

sheesh, how dare they make eye contact with each other... my covid 56 shield is mown personal space....


God dammit, people making love.... that's so disgusting, everyone knows it's in a sterile lab...

I think we can all use a bit of common sense and realize society changes and therefore the entertainment we watch will reflect that... don't mean we are all heathens for enjoying something for what it is...

I don't see any common sense in this post.

I see a lot of straw men and the usual on purpose mischaracterization of how and why these debates play out as they do.
 
I am sure you are capable of listing the numerous cases of people who have been so "viciously attacked", they harmed themselves. A list so long, it would compare to the amount of people of color, members of the LGBTQIA community and women in general who face all that, for simply existing.

Must be a lot of work concerning yourself with *******s on twitter getting ratioed for being awful, as opposed to actual disenfranchised groups.
I didn't say people harmed themselves for being viciously attacked. I said that there may be those who attack others and tell them to do those things. Do you argue otherwise? I don't see what using separate groups (disenfranchised groups etc.) to measure against adds to the conversation. Did I say it was longer or would rival that? Why would that change something?

Why can't I think humans shouldn't be attacked, like that, in general? The Holy Bible says to honor all people.

I don't really often look on twitter, like that.
 
I didn't say people harmed themselves for being viciously attacked. I said that there may be those who attack others and tell them to do those things. Do you argue otherwise? I don't see what using separate groups (disenfranchised groups etc.) to measure against adds to the conversation. Did I say it was longer or would rival that? Why would that change something?

Why can't I think humans shouldn't be attacked, like that, in general? The Holy Bible says to honor all people.

I don't really often look on twitter, like that.
First, you must define what an attack is. Because plenty of people who get push back online for being horrible, claim abuse. Second, why these things happen matter. If someone is telling someone to die online because they are a racist who spends their time racially abusing others online, I really don't care. Not saying it's right, I just don't care. If people are being abused for fighting for their reproductive rights, their skin color, their sexuality, their gender, I care. Because the former is a terrible person getting their just desserts, the latter is abuse with ramifications against human beings for their mere existence.

That book of fiction written by a bunch of grifters a couple thousand years ago, and continually edited and exploited by other grifters, rapists, murders and thieves over centuries doesn't matter to me and thankfully less people every day.
 
First, you must define what an attack is. Because plenty of people who get push back online for being horrible, claim abuse. Second, why these things happen matter. If someone is telling someone to die online because they are a racist who spends their time racially abusing others online, I really don't care. Not saying it's right, I just don't care. If people are being abused for fighting for their reproductive rights, their skin color, their sexuality, their gender, I care. Because the former is a terrible person getting their just desserts, the latter is abuse with ramifications against human beings for their mere existence.

That book of fiction written by a bunch of grifters a couple thousand years ago, and continually edited and exploited by other grifters, rapists, murders and thieves over centuries doesn't matter to me and thankfully less people every day.
Insulting them, accusations of things that aren't true, trying to hurt them physically or emotionally, wishing death on them, telling them to hurt themselves and/or kill themselves.

Strong words, considering your peddling real fiction, the human lie that they have the right to decide who deserves what, or what's right and wrong. You may not see it, but by the nature of you not understanding the Holy Bible, the truth, as ordained by God, you're contradicting yourself. You make a claim of someone being a terrible person and getting their just deserts. But if you don't abide by the truth of God, you don't believe in absolute morality, which is what decides whether the person you call terrible or not and deserves what they get, is actually terrible and actually deserves what they get, you're claims aren't based in fact, they're not dictated by morality, but perception, and by the very nature of perception, it is just that. Basically, without abiding by the Holy Bible, you essentially have no argument of morality.

Odd to blame the Holy Bible for things others choose to do.
 
The Star Wars sequel trilogy isn't going to hold up. Particularly 9 I think. It had thoroughly failed its diverse cast by then, making their casting look like a cynical ploy.

As bad as the movies may be, or as badly as some of the cast were used, I don't think it is going to come off as a ploy, as that plays more into the chuds hands.

Insulting them, accusations of things that aren't true, trying to hurt them physically or emotionally, wishing death on them, telling them to hurt themselves and/or kill themselves.

Strong words, considering your peddling real fiction, the human lie that they have the right to decide who deserves what, or what's right and wrong. You may not see it, but by the nature of you not understanding the Holy Bible, the truth, as ordained by God, you're contradicting yourself. You make a claim of someone being a terrible person and getting their just deserts. But if you don't abide by the truth of God, you don't believe in absolute morality, which is what decides whether the person you call terrible or not and deserves what they get, is actually terrible and actually deserves what they get, you're claims aren't based in fact, they're not dictated by morality, but perception, and by the very nature of perception, it is just that. Basically, without abiding by the Holy Bible, you essentially have no argument of morality.

Odd to blame the Holy Bible for things others choose to do.

It is a book. A book that has been used to justify evil upon evil.
 
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If a movie insults people as a joke it aged poorly. Why are there debates in that matter?


Rush Hour sequels aged badly. First one has its issues, but the sequels are pretty awful and insensitive.
 
Insulting them, accusations of things that aren't true, trying to hurt them physically or emotionally, wishing death on them, telling them to hurt themselves and/or kill themselves.
When you write "accusations of things that aren't true" or "trying to hurt them physically or emotionally" this sounds like defenses used constantly by right wing groups and personalities. Those who are very much guilty of what they are being accused of, those who call for violence against others, and then find violence an issue when they are met with it.

But please, give us an example on this front. Someone who is being "attacked" for no reason, and isn't doing demonstrably worse against others. So someone like JK Rowling would not apply.

Strong words, considering your peddling real fiction, the human lie that they have the right to decide who deserves what, or what's right and wrong. You may not see it, but by the nature of you not understanding the Holy Bible, the truth, as ordained by God, you're contradicting yourself. You make a claim of someone being a terrible person and getting their just deserts. But if you don't abide by the truth of God, you don't believe in absolute morality, which is what decides whether the person you call terrible or not and deserves what they get, is actually terrible and actually deserves what they get, you're claims aren't based in fact, they're not dictated by morality, but perception, and by the very nature of perception, it is just that. Basically, without abiding by the Holy Bible, you essentially have no argument of morality.

Odd to blame the Holy Bible for things others choose to do.
The bible is a book written by men. It has seen been interpreted by men, who have constantly used it to their own ends for whatever they want. From war, to segregation, and other countless horrible things. Those are the facts.

Everyone creates their own moral compass. Over time, society has generally improved, which is why we look at art, whether it's the bible or Birth of a Nation, in the manner fitting of modern critical perspective. Because once you start letting the everyday things slide, you end up sliding back in terms of overall progress as a society. Then suddenly people don't understand how vaccines work.
 
If a movie insults people as a joke it aged poorly. Why are there debates in that matter?


Rush Hour sequels aged badly. First one has its issues, but the sequels are pretty awful and insensitive.
Because people are very defensive of what they enjoy.
 
I generally enjoy old/older movies a lot more than anything produced today. I notice if stuff has aged a bit and people think differently today. But films in general were a lot more enjoyable in the 70-80s and even just 20 years ago.
 
As bad as the movies may be, or as badly as some of the cast were used, I don't think it is going to come off as a ploy, as that plays more into the chuds hands.

I get the sentiment, but watching 9 it's hard not to think that those chuds already won.
 
The majority of these MCU movies will be long forgotten in about 20-30 years. Similar to a lot of the movies that came out of the old Hollywood studio system--solid consumer entertainment for their time, but only the best of which will be visited by the next generation.
 
This is the first time I’ve heard of the term “chud”. Had to look it up on urban dictionary lol
 
Avengers movies will be held up as classics as the original Star Wars but not all solo movies will be remembered.
 

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