My Issue With SETI

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I respect the work, inteligence, and dedication of Seth Shostak. He takes an area of scientific exploration that most other scientist scoff at, the exsistence of extraterrestrial life. Having said that though, for as inteligent as Mr. Shostak and the people at SETI are I find them incredibly arrogant at times. I've seen them on TV specials that deal with the issue of extraterrestrials and they seem to ridicule and deny that there is any other way we can/will/possibly already have made or make contact with beings from another world. Not only that but from what I've read, it's actually a narrow band of specific frequencies they even analyze. Mr. Shostak says this is because these are the "most likely" broadcast frequencies, but how are we to know what frequencies an alien civilization might use? Perhaps on their world they have natural phenomenon that would interfere with the frequencies we find so convenient for communications here on Earth. Not to mention that the speed at which sound travels is relatively slow. Our modern civilization in the last 100 years has gone from being unable to fly to building spy planes that are capable of 3 1/2 the times of sound and those are only the spy planes that aren't classified, who knows what top secret propulsion technology the military might have? My point being, is that in the last 100 years we've built vehicles capable of traveling multiple times the speed of sound, imagine what we'd be capable in 1000 years? Now imagine an alien specicies that's had that chance, that got a head start on evolution on us. A species 500, 1,000, 10,000, or even possibly a million years older than us, what wonders of technology might such beings be capable of? Surely it's not too hard to imagine that they'd be capable of technologies we can't even dream of right now and surely some of that technology would include propulsion technology. So is it really that hard to imagine a space faring race who's vehicles could reach Earth before their ancient radio signals did?
 
i was thinking about this the other day- what if we found superintelligent aliens and they turned out to be super-mega-dud-boring losers?



shouldn't we really be looking for like "extraterrestrially funny life forms" or "mega-extraterrestrially-hot life forms" or something? maybe.
 
there is zero probability that aliens=boring. For me anyway.

Just the fact that there are aliens would be amazing.
 
but what if it was an alien and then it turned out he was like, an accountant? suuuure, at first you wou;dn't notice, so you'd be like-"wow! what do those buttons do! you even use different numbers than us! "
but after a while you'd say...hey...this is like- he's doing an alien form of the 1040-EZ....oh man. he's picking his glomdram(nose), that's gross."
 
Aliens do exist,its just that we have no choice but to search for them within what humanity currently has with technology.
 
nightbringer said:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/space/20060720/sc_space/issetibarkingupthewrongtree

I respect the work, inteligence, and dedication of Seth Shostak. He takes an area of scientific exploration that most other scientist scoff at, the exsistence of extraterrestrial life. Having said that though, for as inteligent as Mr. Shostak and the people at SETI are I find them incredibly arrogant at times. I've seen them on TV specials that deal with the issue of extraterrestrials and they seem to ridicule and deny that there is any other way we can/will/possibly already have made or make contact with beings from another world. Not only that but from what I've read, it's actually a narrow band of specific frequencies they even analyze. Mr. Shostak says this is because these are the "most likely" broadcast frequencies, but how are we to know what frequencies an alien civilization might use? Perhaps on their world they have natural phenomenon that would interfere with the frequencies we find so convenient for communications here on Earth. Not to mention that the speed at which sound travels is relatively slow. Our modern civilization in the last 100 years has gone from being unable to fly to building spy planes that are capable of 3 1/2 the times of sound and those are only the spy planes that aren't classified, who knows what top secret propulsion technology the military might have? My point being, is that in the last 100 years we've built vehicles capable of traveling multiple times the speed of sound, imagine what we'd be capable in 1000 years? Now imagine an alien specicies that's had that chance, that got a head start on evolution on us. A species 500, 1,000, 10,000, or even possibly a million years older than us, what wonders of technology might such beings be capable of? Surely it's not too hard to imagine that they'd be capable of technologies we can't even dream of right now and surely some of that technology would include propulsion technology. So is it really that hard to imagine a space faring race who's vehicles could reach Earth before their ancient radio signals did?

I suspect analyzing radio signals is really a waste of time because, at least planet-wide, a sufficiently advanced species would have probably be doing everything internet-like, just as we are moving forward in this direction and any interstellar transmissions is probably beyond our capability at the moment to detect.
 
maxwell's demon said:
but what if it was an alien and then it turned out he was like, an accountant? suuuure, at first you wou;dn't notice, so you'd be like-"wow! what do those buttons do! you even use different numbers than us! "
but after a while you'd say...hey...this is like- he's doing an alien form of the 1040-EZ....oh man. he's picking his glomdram(nose), that's gross."
point.

But it'd take about 10 years to realize that they're boring.
 
War Lord said:
I suspect analyzing radio signals is really a waste of time because, at least planet-wide, a sufficiently advanced species would have probably be doing everything internet-like, just as we are moving forward in this direction and any interstellar transmissions is probably beyond our capability at the moment to detect.

Another good point. The more we become a "wired" society the less need we have for satelites and broadcast towers, so that does me we'll be sending less transmissions into space. I just find it funny that so many of the skeptics and "debunkers" think that aliens would think and act so similiar to humans.
 
nightbringer said:
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/space/20060720/sc_space/issetibarkingupthewrongtree

I respect the work, inteligence, and dedication of Seth Shostak. He takes an area of scientific exploration that most other scientist scoff at, the exsistence of extraterrestrial life. Having said that though, for as inteligent as Mr. Shostak and the people at SETI are I find them incredibly arrogant at times. I've seen them on TV specials that deal with the issue of extraterrestrials and they seem to ridicule and deny that there is any other way we can/will/possibly already have made or make contact with beings from another world. Not only that but from what I've read, it's actually a narrow band of specific frequencies they even analyze. Mr. Shostak says this is because these are the "most likely" broadcast frequencies, but how are we to know what frequencies an alien civilization might use? Perhaps on their world they have natural phenomenon that would interfere with the frequencies we find so convenient for communications here on Earth. Not to mention that the speed at which sound travels is relatively slow. Our modern civilization in the last 100 years has gone from being unable to fly to building spy planes that are capable of 3 1/2 the times of sound and those are only the spy planes that aren't classified, who knows what top secret propulsion technology the military might have? My point being, is that in the last 100 years we've built vehicles capable of traveling multiple times the speed of sound, imagine what we'd be capable in 1000 years? Now imagine an alien specicies that's had that chance, that got a head start on evolution on us. A species 500, 1,000, 10,000, or even possibly a million years older than us, what wonders of technology might such beings be capable of? Surely it's not too hard to imagine that they'd be capable of technologies we can't even dream of right now and surely some of that technology would include propulsion technology. So is it really that hard to imagine a space faring race who's vehicles could reach Earth before their ancient radio signals did?
Actually, I was watching a program recently and it was suggested that certain radio signals could already be heard by SETI, but it would only be heard here as clutter, if we even hear it/pick it up.

You see, it was said that there are different types of signals that could be used and we only have the technology to pick up some, not all. So, if the alien race was far advanced over us, they could be using signals that we don't have the technology to pick up on yet.
 

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