'New' Lair Screens (Possibly from the same batch seen in Oct)

[Zenien]

 

[Zenien]

EDIT: THese are old, but we haven't seen these shots before.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

looks like eragon! lmao

 

[TheBat812]

not really... at all... Looks incredible though. This game is going to kick ass... now all i need is a PS3.

 

[Zenien]

Technically it's incredible... but visually I think it needs a lot of work. Things are amazingly detailed for the type of game it is, but the environments tend to mush together (same for the dragons) and even though it has this increible detail, a lot of times it just doesn't seem to be captured in game. They need to nail the lighting and it would make the entire visual element of the game click, because right now it's very bi polar.

It might even be the most technically advanced next gen game seen yet, but that doesn't mean it's the best looking or playing. We need to see more of this game, and more importantly new media and hands on gameplay to judge how it's actually shaping up.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

oh please this game looks ****-tastic. visually im not impressed by it. this game seems to be all graphics and nothing really great underneath. i could be wrong. but the game looks mediocre from the screens.

 

[Horrorfan]

Plus apparently, from a play test I read, PS3 has one HELL of a hard time getting it all to work, and when it does, its buggy and choppy as hell.

 

[Zenien]

oh please this game looks ****-tastic. visually im not impressed by it. this game seems to be all graphics and nothing really great underneath. i could be wrong. but the game looks mediocre from the screens.

Hey I'm not disagreeing with you, the visuals are bi-polar and more often then not don't seem to reflect the level of technical acomplishment and I agreed with you that just having a great engine doesn't mean that the gameplay will be good.

Plus apparently, from a play test I read, PS3 has one HELL of a hard time getting it all to work, and when it does, its buggy and choppy as hell.

Let's see how it shapes up though.

 

[Avalanche]

I'm still not won over.

 

[Zenien]

Newer stuff?

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dont think the flying mechanic will work.

 

[Zenien]

We'll see. DOes anyone know if it uses a "Warhawk" style 6 axis control or a Shadow of the Colossus style 6 axis control?

By that mean: In Warhawk you are manipulating the Warhawk directly through your actions with the controller, in Shadow of the Colossus, when you're riding the horse they programed it so you're actually controlling the wanderer as he controls the horse by using the reigns.

Though it would probably be harder, I'd prefer it if this game took a SotC approach to interacting and controlling the dragon. Though I haven't tried it yet so I can't say that definitively.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

i dunno, i just dont see it working well. whenyour fighting while flying everything has to go smoothly. the fighting, the flying, everything has to have a fluid dynamic to it.

 

[imdaly]

Newer stuff?

Sorry, but I've gotta ask...what's blanked out of those pictures?

 

[Zenien]

Probably the captions of text from the Magazine.

- Native 1080p @ 30fps
- Army of 3000 - 10 000+ soldiers
- Levels are 32 x 32 miles
- Realtime Fluid simulation
- Real time lighting with day changing to night
- Volumetric fog and smoke
- 'Extreme animation'
- 7.1 THX Lossless Audio
- They now have levels with 10 000 soldiers in them.
- Levels (all outdoors) vary from Wastelands to Jungles to Icefields.
- Levels may take 4GB of storage space each (obviously streaming as you go along)
- The game won't have multiplayer but will have online leaderboards and achievements as well as other community stuff.
- The game will support downloadable content, what the fans ask for they will get. Specifically mentions dragon breeding minigame as an example in this regard.

The processes to achieving these graphics is by doing all the 3d, physiqs and ai in the cell (massaging it as they call it) and then sending the models and such to the RSX where it renders ontop of this and out the other end comes these graphic. They of course have advanced LOD techniques as well algorithms that determine exactly what to draw on the screen. They are estimating that they are going to use 40-50% of the PS3s capability at the most with the final version of this game.

 

[imdaly]

Any guesses on how many GBs of HDD space you'll need to sacrifice in order to play this game, assuming it stays at 1080p when it goes gold?

I'm betting....4GB.

 

[Zenien]

It would probably be textures and sound files even. So you might be right but it might be closer to 2 or 1, doesn't really matter.

But you don't need to install games on the PS3 Hard Drive to play them. It's an option to further decrease load times and such, not sure why someone wouldn't use it aside from space issues.

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

20 levels with 4 gigs each is 80 gigs. thats twice my computer storage space.

 

[imdaly]

Zenien, have you actually tried either of the two 1080p PS3 games yet: Full Auto or NBA 07?

The reason I ask is because if you look at the back of every PS3 game case, it lists the amount of "Required Hard Drive Space" to play the game. Every game has a certain amount so far. Most of them are fairly small with only being a few hundred KBs each or so, but look carefully at the 2 games that are actually 1080p games so far.

Full Auto - "Required Hard Drive Space: 2GB"
NBA 07 - "Required Hard Drive Space: 3GB"


Now I've looked all around the internet looking for confirmation for if this really means what it says it means or not.

I've found the following links, as example:

Well NBA 07 is a decent game on the PS3.. mind you I have never really liked NBA games and me saying this is decent is saying something about the overall quality of the game.

Anyways, the reason this is called WTF PT2 is because like Full Auto, NBA 07 REQUIRES you to have 3GB (full auto required 2GB) of free HDD space. Note this isnt optional and not just for installing of the game.. BUT REQUIRED! So if you happen to own these two games you loose 5GB of space right then and there. Others have pointed out you can erase it after, and while this is true its inconvient and you would have to leave the space free if you ever wanted to play the game again.. some others have also said well its only a couple games.. true.. but its so soon into the PS3 life and already 2 games require of 2GB and other require between 100-500MB of free space. This isnt really a good outlook on what we can see 2 years from now. I will not be posting a picture of the cover because if you dont belive me you can google it yourself.. or go rent the damn game.. or look at the back cover in EB.. either way its required and it shouldn't be.

That 60GB is getting smaller and smaller daily

Source: http://nexgenwars.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2173

That kind of storage doesn't go as far here as it does on the 360 _ "NBA 07's" save file, for instance, demands a whopping 3 GB all by itself _ but the drive is upgradeable should you opt for this model (or have no choice).

Source: http://media.www.the-telescope.com/...escope.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

With all the looking I've done, I've found no confirmation that these are optional installs, aside from when the news first hit that this "feature" was going to be "available", which was revealed a few weeks before the system was released.

Here's what we know: Ridge Racer 7 will have an optional 5 GB HDD installation feature that's in place to speed up load times. Currently, Ridge Racer 7 and Genji (4 GB install) are the only games known to include this option. While this will almost certainly change, there's little reason to believe that HDD dumps will become a PS3 standard (unless you buy Sony's "it's not a console, it's a computer" mumbo jumbo).

Source: http://www.joystiq.com/2006/11/02/ps3-ridge-racer-9-minutes-too-long/

Only then was it said that these would be optional, but from the sound of it, it seems like they were just assuming it would be optional. Notice that it's also mentioned that Ridge Racer 7 and Genji would have 5 and 4GB installs, respectively. That's not true, judging by the game boxes, which have them at much smaller sizes, so obviously things weren't completely accurate when this "feature" was first revealed.

Zenien, please don't take this as me trying to say "uh uhhhhh! You're wrong!". I'm actually curious to hear from someone who has actually played either of the 1080p PS3 games and can tell me if they were forced to install the games or if they are, indeed, optional.





I apologize for going off-topic.

 

[Zenien]

No offense at all, I seriously had no idea this 'required HDD install' even existed!

Wow that's news to me honestly. The only game I'd heard of that did that was Genji II RIdge Racer 7 and it was entirely optional.

"Full Auto - "Required Hard Drive Space: 2GB"
"NBA 07 - "Required Hard Drive Space: 3GB"

That's weird. I don't actually own a PS3 though, so I can't comment definitively, but I will say thatfrom every source I've seen that the installs for Genji II and RR7 are indeed optional according to people who picked up Japanese models at launch.

...I'd pull up some quotes but their serach function is bust. Someone clearly compared the difference in loading times before and after the Genji install though. Let me try and find another source.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/mtv/genji-2-uses-hard-drive-to-speed-loading-yay-209269.php

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Genji 2 Uses Hard Drive To Speed Loading (Yay!)
Since I don't know if I'll be paying for any downloadable content from the PlayStation Network, nor if I'll have the means to use my 60GB of storage for clown porn, I wasn't sure what benefit I'd get from dropping the extra hundred bones on the big boy PlayStation 3. However, MTV's eagle-eyed Stephen Totilo spotted the menu option "INSTALL" during his hands-on time with Sony's Genji: Days of the Blade, which takes advantage of the standard, reliable hard drive on all units.

Sayeth Steve:


Also unexpected was a feature in "Genji" to install the game, committing 4GB of data from the game's Blu-Ray disc to the PS3's hard drive -- a three-minute one-time-only procedure available from the game's start menu that a Sony rep said cuts down in-game load times from about 15 seconds (without the install) to four seconds. That's something Sony can offer, given that both versions of its console include a hard drive -- 20GB and 60GB, respectively.

That's about as much confirmation as we're going to get, So far the games you've mentioned are the ONLY games I can find that use the Hard drive install (optional or not).

It's a nice idea, but at those volumes you'd really run out of space on a 20 gig...

I'm betting that some devs are doing it as a requirement to speed up loading times since the BR read rate isn't amazing, and it's easier for them to require an install and get the game up to snuff that way then to work with the core read rate of the BR laser only.

I can't believe that some titles are asking for a mandatory install of gigs worth of data, these aren't MMORPGs. :| Well then again like every PC game out there installs gigs of data on your hard drive these days, but still. Unexpected.

 

[imdaly]

It won't let me direct-link to the picture file, but if you go HERE and click on "Front" in the "Other Parts" section, you can see the "NBA 07" game case and it's requirements. Unfortunately this is the only image of a PS3 game backing I can find for the PS3 right now.

That's about as much confirmation as we're going to get, So far the games you've mentioned are the ONLY games I can find that use the Hard drive install (optional or not).

Every single PS3 game has that "Required Hard Drive Space" box on the back with a certain file size amount listed. The 720p games are fairly small in size, while the 1080p games (all two of them so far) are huge: 2GB and 3GB. It really makes me wonder, if we get to the point where most PS3 games are 1080p like Sony wants you to believe, will this mean that most games will take up a couple GBs of HDD space each just to play them at all??

It's a nice idea, but at those volumes you'd really run out of space on a 20 gig...

If truly optional, then yes, it is a good idea. But if it's required, I'd say it's definitely not worth the HDD space.

I'm betting that some devs are doing it as a requirement to speed up loading times since the BR read rate isn't amazing, and it's easier for them to require an install and get the game up to snuff that way then to work with the core read rate of the BR laser only.

That has to be the reasoning behind it: it's a quick "fix" to get the loading times of the PS3 games to be comparable to the XBOX360 loading times at the expense of HDD space.

I can't believe that some titles are asking for a mandatory install of gigs worth of data, these aren't MMORPGs. :| Well then again like every PC game out there installs gigs of data on your hard drive these days, but still. Unexpected.

I'm honestly surprised you haven't been aware of this issue until now. This has been known since a few weeks before the PS3 launched, and was the cause of a lot of commotion when it was revealed. Perhaps this one issue just got lost in the flood of bad issues with the PS3 that's coming out every day it seems for the past year now

 

[Zenien]

Remember you have to have save data put on the hard drive as well, I'd imagine that's what most of the games using the required hard drive space are refering to.

 

[imdaly]

Remember you have to have save data put on the hard drive as well, I'd imagine that's what most of the games using the required hard drive space are refering to.

A saved game uses 300kb of space?? 3GB?!?!

 

[Zenien]

Well yeah the titles that required you to install data and install gigs worth are putting on more then the save data.

Every game is going to have the space required marker on the box because every game has to have its save data put somewhere. If the save data is marginally bigger then last gen it's probably because devs no longer have to work as hard getting their save footprint to be a reasonable size for 8 megs.

But like for Genji, the save data is completely seperate from the optional Hard Drive install. I'll actually go to a store and look at the sizes, but I'm pretty sure 95 percent of those games are actually just listing the space needed for the save data.

Everyone knew about the optional hard drive installs on Neogaf and even mentioned the mandatory installs of NBA, but from what I can tell those are the only two games that stupidly make the harddrive install mandatory.

 

[Zenien]

Did that stupid Sega Racing game require an install on the 360?