Nexus of All Reality

[chris moore]

So in the Marvel Universe we have the M'Kraan Crystal which is supposedly the nexus of all realities and contains a city, a gem containg a neutron star, and the white hot room - all of which are separate places, though it has been said that the white hot room is somewhere in the city and the gem containing the star is in the centre of the city.

We also have the Panoptichron, which is a crstal palace thing that can send people to any reality but appears to exist outside of space and time. But we also have the tower formerly occupied by Excalibur which serves as a bridging point between every other universe (so essentially a focal point for all realities).

So what is the deal with Otherworld and the Exiles really? How was Roma not aware of a bunch of people popping in and out of a bunch of realities that are supposedly monitored by her from the starlight citadel? Where does the M'Kraan crystal fit into all this?

And wasnt there a nexus of reality of something associated with Man-Thing?
Alan Moore's genius creation of numerical worlds really helped to pin down the whole omniverse thing - but nowadays with about a million ways of crossing time/space/ reality, and the blurriness of what is a dimension and what is an alternate Earth really muddies up things I find.

 

[PhotoJones]

I thought the M'Kraan Crystal was at the Nexus of All Realities while Man-Thing is the Nexus of All Realities.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I thought the M'Kraan Crystal was at the Nexus of All Realities while Man-Thing is the Nexus of All Realities.

That's what i thought too...

 

[Anubis]

Can they not both be the Nexus?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, once you get into metaphysical pseudo-science like points of intersection between planes of reality, all bets are off. The White Hot Room, M'Kraan Crystal, Panoptichron, Otherworld, and everything else that's said to be the nexus of realities may very well be the nexus of realities. The same one, just poking into the 616 reality at various points that appear distinct but are all unified in some weird way.

As for the Exiles and Roma, who's to say Roma doesn't know about the Exiles or their bug buddies? Maybe she thinks they're doing a good job covering what her Captain Britain Corpsmen can't, so she leaves them to it. A multiverse comprising a reality for literally every choice everyone could ever make is infinite, ergo there must be loads of room for them to do basically the same thing but not cross paths much or at all.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

Man Thing's swamp was the original connection point to the Nexus for the 616 universe. The Man Thing is the guardian of the Nexus. The M'Kraan Crystal did not originally have any connection to the Nexus but merely contained a room in which there was an anti energy field that contained a neutron galaxy. Everything else is a bad retcon. They weren't supposed to go together. If you can make them fit, congratulations, you're smarter than the people at Marvel.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It looks like Claremont may be marrying the Exiles' Panoptichron-centric multiverse and Roma's Otherworld-centric Omniverse in the current X-Men: Die by the Sword mini and upcoming New Exiles ongoing, too. So perhaps Marvel has a plan for all this junk after all.

 

[chris moore]

Thats what I'm hoping

 

[Anubis]

Eh, I don't really care either way.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Me either. Mostly because it's Claremont, which means I won't be reading Die by the Sword or New Exiles.

 

[Anubis]

Exactly.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I was afraid Claremont might put the Black Knight back on the team in New Exiles, but then I remembered that Tieri probably wrote him out of New Excalibur right before Claremont came back because Claremont didn't want him on the team. I've never been so overjoyed about a writer's disdain for a character.

 

[Roughneck]

Black Knight would be a nice addition to the Exiles...though i don't want it to get too bogged down with 616 characters....it's bad enough Sage is headed there now.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, and I'm sure Claremont won't let Psylocke go, since he seems to carry her with him to whatever he writes. Still, I really hope he doesn't bring the Black Knight onto the New Exiles. That would mean I'd have to read it, and I really don't want to do that.

But I was never really that enthused with Exiles after Morph died anyway. Mimic's death I could handle, but the idea of Morph being gone and a brainwashed Proteus taking his place like no one on the team ever gave a **** about Kevin, that's just a terrible idea from every angle. I hear Princess Power and Spider-Man 2099 left, too. They were the only other characters I gave a crap about on Bedard's roster; Blink's nice, but I thought the team was actually better when she was gone, and Sabretooth's just a bigger Wolverine.

 

[Vanguard07]

Didnt havok at some point have some connection to the nexus of realities? Or is my cold medicine just getting to me?


Also I'll still read Exhiles so long as they keep the recently returned T-bird on the roster. I'd be cool with Black Knight on the team if only to get some regular exposure to him but either way the series has been going steadilly downhill since way back in their "a world apart" arc. Which was freakin awesome btw.

 

[PhotoJones]

Yeah, and I'm sure Claremont won't let Psylocke go, since he seems to carry her with him to whatever he writes. Still, I really hope he doesn't bring the Black Knight onto the New Exiles. That would mean I'd have to read it, and I really don't want to do that.

You're such a pathetic fanboy.

 

[Varient]

So in the Marvel Universe we have the M'Kraan Crystal which is supposedly the nexus of all realities and contains a city, a gem containg a neutron star, and the white hot room - all of which are separate places, though it has been said that the white hot room is somewhere in the city and the gem containing the star is in the centre of the city.

We also have the Panoptichron, which is a crstal palace thing that can send people to any reality but appears to exist outside of space and time. But we also have the tower formerly occupied by Excalibur which serves as a bridging point between every other universe (so essentially a focal point for all realities).

So what is the deal with Otherworld and the Exiles really? How was Roma not aware of a bunch of people popping in and out of a bunch of realities that are supposedly monitored by her from the starlight citadel? Where does the M'Kraan crystal fit into all this?

And wasnt there a nexus of reality of something associated with Man-Thing?
Alan Moore's genius creation of numerical worlds really helped to pin down the whole omniverse thing - but nowadays with about a million ways of crossing time/space/ reality, and the blurriness of what is a dimension and what is an alternate Earth really muddies up things I find.

1. Why should there be only "one" nexus?

2. Why would a "nexus" of all be limited to one acces point per reality?

3. Why can't there be a "nexus" of all reality at every point where the universes don't exactly match up,.. Like in Man-Things case?

Annoyed Squirrel-fan would like to know.

 

[Zenien]

Yeah, and I'm sure Claremont won't let Psylocke go, since he seems to carry her with him to whatever he writes. Still, I really hope he doesn't bring the Black Knight onto the New Exiles. That would mean I'd have to read it, and I really don't want to do that.

But I was never really that enthused with Exiles after Morph died anyway. Mimic's death I could handle, but the idea of Morph being gone and a brainwashed Proteus taking his place like no one on the team ever gave a **** about Kevin, that's just a terrible idea from every angle. I hear Princess Power and Spider-Man 2099 left, too. They were the only other characters I gave a crap about on Bedard's roster; Blink's nice, but I thought the team was actually better when she was gone, and Sabretooth's just a bigger Wolverine.

I thought the book went to hell with the advent of Winnick leaving, the worst part was Marvel burned through all of his stockpiled stories so they could stick a terrible writter on, and the book was never the same since for me. I stopped picking it up around... the Hyperion BS.

Morph is dead you say? Just another reason for me to not give a damn about the exiles. A once great masterpeice brought to its knees.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked Bedard's run for the most part. It started slow and ended terribly, but the middle was good. It brought a lot of interesting ideas up, like the Panoptichron, and it finally answered a lot of the questions Winick set forth before abandoning the series.

 

[yahman]

As for the Exiles and Roma, who's to say Roma doesn't know about the Exiles or their bug buddies? Maybe she thinks they're doing a good job covering what her Captain Britain Corpsmen can't, so she leaves them to it. A multiverse comprising a reality for literally every choice everyone could ever make is infinite, ergo there must be loads of room for them to do basically the same thing but not cross paths much or at all.[/quote]


So the Marvel Multiverse works in the same way as D.C.'s old version of Hypertime ?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No because Marvel's splinter realities don't rejoin the main timeline.

 

[yahman]

No because Marvel's splinter realities don't rejoin the main timeline.

Thats a pretty pedantic difference.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Um... okay? It's a factual difference: Hypertime timelines rejoin the main timeline at some point; Marvel's alternate universe timelines don't.

 

[yahman]

Um... okay? It's a factual difference: Hypertime timelines rejoin the main timeline at some point; Marvel's alternate universe timelines don't.

All ways ? That seems a bit ridiculous if you ask me. How can two completely seperate timelines merge with one another ?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't know, I never fully understood Hypertime. I'm convinced only Grant Morrison and Mark Waid did.