The Dark Knight Nolan: "Running time comparable to the first film's 140 minutes"

[turtlefocker]

isn't BB 140 with credits, so this is 150 with credits... well more like 145 since it wont start/end right away.

 

[redfirebird2008]

isn't BB 140 with credits, so this is 150 with credits... well more like 145 since it wont start/end right away.

We don't know if it's 150 right on the money. All we know is that it's 150 at MOST, meaning that runtime will not hurt its box office. Dead Man's Chest was 151 minutes and was a monster at the box office. I would not be surprised if TDK is right around Begins' length of 140 minutes. I highly doubt the reception will start immediately at the same time the end credits finish. I would think they'd give people some time to get to the reception hall and go to the bathroom if they need to, etc.

 

[Juggernaut33]

isn't BB 140 with credits, so this is 150 with credits... well more like 145 since it wont start/end right away.

Actually, BB is 134 with credits and 127 without credits.

 

[turtlefocker]

Actually, BB is 134 with credits and 127 without credits.

why does the DVD say "140 minutes"...

 

[youngavenger26]

I started reading this thread thinking it was new, and when I read the IMAX Spoilers, I was like . I then proceeded to check the dates of the posts and laughed at myself.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Actually, BB is 134 with credits and 127 without credits.

No, it's not. I have it ripped to my computer and it's 2 hours, 20 minutes including credits. The credits are around 9 minutes long.

 

[Van Petrol]

I started reading this thread thinking it was new, and when I read the IMAX Spoilers, I was like . I then proceeded to check the dates of the posts and laughed at myself.

Bah! I thought there was some new info. Ah, well...

 

[fabman]

No, it's not. I have it ripped to my computer and it's 2 hours, 20 minutes including credits. The credits are around 9 minutes long.

You're not coming to a conclusion like this.

The European television format is PAL, which has 25 pix / second, while the American format is NTSC (24 / sec.) - same with theaters. Because of the PAL format European films on DVD are faster, hence they have a shorter runtime.

Batman Begins runs 134 minutes in PAL format.

 

[redfirebird2008]

You're not coming to a conclusion like this.

The European television format is PAL, which has 25 pix / second, while the American format is NTSC (24 / sec.) - same with theaters. Because of the PAL format European films on DVD are faste, hence they have a shorter runtime.

Batman Begins runs 134 minutes in PAL format.

He didn't say anything about PAL, he described the film in general. It is 2 hours and 20 minutes as played IN THEATERS 3 years ago. If you counted, on your watch, while watching the film in the theater, it came out to be right at 2 hours and 20 minutes.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Why are there are PAL torrents on the Internet of Batman Begins that say 141 minute runtime?

 

[fabman]

He didn't say anything about PAL, he described the film in general. It is 2 hours and 20 minutes as played IN THEATERS 3 years ago. If you counted, on your watch, while watching the film in the theater, it came out to be right at 2 hours and 20 minutes.

Yeah, but FOR HIM it's 134 minutes since he has the DVD (which is probably PAL), so it's not like he's not right or he's lying... my DVD runs 134 minutes aswell, and it's because it's faster...

So, yeah, the original runtime is 140 minutes, but he's right

 

[fabman]

Why are there are PAL torrents on the Internet of Batman Begins that say 141 minute runtime.

http://www.warnerhomevideo.it/f/batman-begins-ed-speciale-2-dvd-dvd-927.htm

Scroll down, where it says "durata" (which means runtime), see? 134 minuti

TRIVIA TIME

PAL's 4% Speedup
Have you ever watched a movie on TV or VHS or DVD and enjoyed the music so much that you went and bought the soundtrack CD? Have you then noticed that the soundtrack CD sounds a bit different to the movie?

Have you ever watched a movie on TV or VHS or DVD and then found out that the US version is longer than the Australian version?

Have you ever compared the specifications of a DVD in Australia with a DVD in the US and noticed that the US version runs longer than the Australian version?

Are we being ripped off? Are our movies censored?

The short answer is no. It is true that the running times of movies on TV, VHS and DVD are shorter than their theatrical running times, but this is not because of censorship. It is because of the way in which movies are transferred to video.

24 Frames Per Second
Movies are projected at 24 frames per second. 24 full images are projected off the film onto the screen every second. This is a world wide standard. This is all well and good, but a problem arises when we want to transfer a movie to video.

50 Fields Per Second
The PAL TV system shows images at 50 fields per second. One half of an image is displayed and then the other half of the image is displayed. The nett result of this is that 25 full images are shown per second.

24 Into 25 Doesn't Go
How do you take a film which has 24 full images per second and display this on a TV which shows 25 full images per second? There are two ways you can do this.

The first way, which is not commonly used, is to show 24 images from the film on the TV in sequence and then repeat the 24th film image. This fits film's 24 images into the 25 images needed by TV. This approach has one major drawback, which is that once every second there is a noticeable pause (judder) in the video because of the extra inserted image. Most people find such an artefact extremely objectionable.

The second way, which is commonly used, is to show 25 images from the film every second. This fits the film nicely into the TV format of 25 full frames per second, but the nett result is that 25 frames from the film are being shown in the same time as 24 frames were supposed to have been shown. This means that the film is being shown 4% faster than it was originally intended to be shown. This approach also has a series of disadvantages, but these are less objectionable than the judder introduced with the first-mentioned approach.

Effects of the 4% Speedup
The most obvious effect of this 4% speedup is that the film runs for 4% less time. Take as an example the recent movie The Mask of Zorro. The theatrical running time for this movie was 136 minutes according to the Internet Movie Database. The running time of this movie on Region 4 DVD is 132 minutes, 4% less.

A less obvious effect of this 4% speedup is that the audio for the film is both 4% faster and 4% higher in pitch. In musical terms, this equates to a rise in pitch of a little under one semitone.

Another less obvious effect of this 4% speedup is that the on-screen action occurs 4% faster.

For the majority of us, this 4% speedup is of no consequence, and is something that we are blissfully unaware of. For a small minority of movie and music buffs, the 4% speedup is objectionable.

What Can Be Done About It?
There is very little that can be done about this issue at present.

One possible partial solution is for the movie's soundtrack to be digitally processed so that it plays back at the correct pitch on video. This can be done either whilst the movie is being mastered for video or whilst the movie is playing back. This is very rarely done in practice, as it does not solve the problem of the movie and the music still playing back 4% too fast, even if it is now at the correct audio pitch.

The advent of DVD and digital projection devices has opened up another possibility to solve this problem. In theory, a DVD player could be constructed which plays back PAL movies at the correct speed and hence at the correct pitch. At present, the only devices capable of doing this are DVD-ROM drives. Such a device could be mated with a display device that is capable of displaying images at 24 frames per second. It is likely that in the future such solutions to this problem will become more readily accessible, particularly with the advent of HDTV.

Does It Really Matter?
For most of us, the answer is no. However, it is important to be aware of this issue so as to more fully appreciate the movie watching experience, and to explain some apparent anomalies in movie running times that may have troubled you in the past.

 

[redfirebird2008]

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A minute is still a minute, so why is PAL sped up like that? Thank God I don't have to put up with that and get to see films as originally created.

 

[fabman]

That doesn't make any sense whatsoever. A minute is still a minute, so why is PAL sped up like that? Thank God I don't have to put up with that and get to see films as originally created.

Because there are 25 frames per second instead of 24, that's why PAL TV has a better resolution. But it's not like you notice anything. But next time before you that someone is full of ****, better google if there's something like PAL-speedup

 

[redfirebird2008]

Because there are 25 frames per second instead of 24, that's why PAL TV has a better resolution. But it's not like you notice anything. But next time before you that someone is full of ****, better google if there's something like PAL-speedup

No, he was full of ***** because he spoke of the film in general. The film was created at 140 minutes. Nolan didn't intend for it to be sped up to 134 minutes by whack-ass overseas broadcast "standards." The film is 140 minutes as created by Nolan, but that guy claimed that it was "actually" 134 minutes. No, actually it's not.

 

[fabman]

No, he was full of ***** because he spoke of the film in general. The film was created at 140 minutes. Nolan didn't intend for it to be sped up to 134 minutes by whack-ass overseas broadcast "standards." The film is 140 minutes as created by Nolan, but that guy claimed that it was "actually" 134 minutes. No, actually it's not.

He didn't claim anything, it's just that the runtime is 134 minutes on his DVD so for him the runtime is, naturally, 134 minutes... It's not his fault, but that doesn't change a thing that you shouldn't attack people like that, especially when they've done nothing wrong.

 

[redfirebird2008]

He didn't claim anything, it's just that the runtime is 134 minutes on his DVD so for him the runtime is, naturally, 134 minutes... It's not his fault, but that doesn't change a thing that you shouldn't attack people like that, especially when they've done nothing wrong.

He did claim that the other person was wrong. He used the phrase "actually," which means he was saying the other person was wrong. There was no correction needed since 140 minutes is the official runtime. Here's the quote, once again, since you seem to be saying that he wasn't trying to correct someone else:

Actually, BB is 134 with credits and 127 without credits.

 

[fabman]

He did claim that the other person was wrong. He used the phrase "actually," which means he was saying the other person was wrong. There was no correction needed since 140 minutes is the official runtime.

He didn't know man, shut up. He wasn't full of ****, if you had a DVD and that was 134 minutes I guess you would've said the same. So stap talking like that, calm down, and don't attack people next time around. It's SHH!, not ****ing flame wars.

 

[redfirebird2008]

He didn't know man, shut up. He wasn't full of ****, if you had a DVD and that was 134 minutes I guess you would've said the same. So stap talking like that, calm down, and don't attack people next time around. It's SHH!, not ****ing flame wars.

Actually, if I recall, my initial post to him wasn't even an attack at all. You were the one that started the big fight.

My post to him said this: "No, it's not. I have it ripped to my computer and it's 2 hours, 20 minutes including credits. The credits are around 9 minutes long."

 

[CaptainClown]

would you girls quit it.

 

[Bim]

would you girls quit it.

Heeey girls feel insulted by the comparison

 

[Nightmare]

would you girls quit it.

You heard her!

 

[bluedragon77]

why dont you guys just wait till it comes out and then start bickering lol..

 

[Conebone69]

My friend who works for a movie theater said he saw some sheet with upcoming summer movies on it that just arrived, and for every movie it gave a description and running time. He told me he remembered TDK's run time was at 156 minutes.

I'm not sure if hes for real but he mostly tells me the truth about these things. But I've never heard of a sheet that tells descriptions/run times for upcoming movies.

 

[ForestAflame]

On my television, in America, the movie "Batman Begins" was 127 minutes.