O.m.i.t.

[JewishHobbit]

I wasn't directing that at you, moreso MoB and to a small extent Corp. Probably should have quoted. And I don't buy Spider-Man and haven't since OMD (with a few exceptions here and there). I wouldn't even buy a Spider-Man Forever book because once a book becomes out of continuity I just lose interest. I'd like to support a Spider-Man like that, but we all know out of continuity books don't really appeal so it wouldn't outsell the core books, so nothing would change.

 

[Tron Bonne]

I was, and still am, on the anti-OMD side, but I will attest that what we got with OMD was the lesser of the two evils between what JMS originally planned, and what Joey Q and others revised afterward.

So, perhaps that's why the roar has dulled for me. Plus, I follow DC regularly, and these last few years character assassination and book sabotaging is kind of the norm. And, I think I don't really care anymore. And, also, Freak

 

[JewishHobbit]

I was, and still am, on the anti-OMD side, but I will attest that what we got with OMD was the lesser of the two evils between what JMS originally planned, and what Joey Q and others revised afterward.

So, perhaps that's why the roar has dulled. Plus, I follow DC regularly, and these last few years character assassination and book sabotaging is kind of the norm

But it was all plot that Joey Q directed if my memory serves. He just didn't like the route Straczynski was taking it so he edited it... and thus made it make less sense and continuityly flawed... creating a lot of the annoying questions people's had about BND without ever intending to have answers to them "It's magic, it doesn't need to be explained" I believe was his quote.

Honestly, the whole direction was a mistake and a horrible portrayal of character. The fact that Joey Q made his direction less controversial by keeping Gwen Stacy dead doesn't at all make up for the story he wanted and forced to begin with.

 

[roach]

I think that if you want to do something to a character and you have to come up with something outrageously out of the norm for that character then maybe that idea shouldnt have been used.
My issue stems from there are more than enough books, movies, tv shows that depict that making a deal with the devil is not a good idea. The devil could appear to me right now and offer me my greatest dreams and wishes and I know better than to take them....add on to this that Peter knows Ghost Rider. He knows someone who made a deal with the devil and should have seen the side effects.....a much better story would have been a time travel one where he goes back and screws something up and comes back and its not like he remembers...would have made more sense....although if it was up to me I would have advanced the story instead of reversing it.

 

[Tron Bonne]

But it was all plot that Joey Q directed if my memory serves. He just didn't like the route Straczynski was taking it so he edited it... and thus made it make less sense and continuity flawed... creating a lot of the annoying questions people's had about BND without ever intending to have answers to them "It's magic, it doesn't need to be explained" I believe was his quote.

Honestly, the whole direction was a mistake and a horrible portrayal of character. The fact that Joey Q made his direction less controversial by keeping Gwen Stacy dead doesn't at all make up for the story he wanted and forced to begin with.

No, that's not how it happened from what I've read. Joey Q okayed the original idea JMS had, but other writers talked him out of it and revised the plan. Apparently one of the reasons the arc got delayed is JMS ignored those instructions and wrote what he wanted, so Q had to patch all that up.

And it wasn't just Gwen Stacy. He wanted to make it were Harry and MJ had stuck together and gotten married. Now, you think the OMD we got screwed up some continuity, JMS would have murderlized it. He wanted to literally take it back to the original status quo updated for the modern MU. Joey Q seems to be the one demonized, which is fitting of course, but JMS was not the martyr swept up in the devil's crossfire by any means. I mean, some have countered that Joey was lying, but as far as I'm aware, JMS hasn't really denied any of this, and we know he has this nostalgic eye for yesteryear. And, allegedly there are other writer's involved, so yeah.

Also, Freak.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yes, us anti-OMDers continue to complain, but there's premise for it. The effects of OMD are still felt to this day. The same issues that ticked us off back then are still in play now and nothing's been done to asuage that. And unlike, say, bad writing, this is a complete status quo change on a character that many of us love. And so as long as, in our views, Marvel is destroying a character we love, we have the right to complain about their doing so.

And yes, it may get old hearing the same things over and over again, but many pro-BNDers (yourself included if I'm not mistaken) also get mad when we point out new things, such as every rehashed 70's and 80's plot that shows up. We try a new angle and we're then criticized for criticizing for that as well and told to let it go.

So why go with new stuff? I complain about all of it and plan to continue doing so for as long as it annoys me.

How would I be pro-BND if I've never read it? OMD was enough to make me so disgusted with Spider-Man that I literally stopped reading his comics, period. If they reverse the OMD/BND situation, I'd give them another try, but that's not likely to happen so I've just stopped paying attention to Spider-Man.

Yes, fans are still complaining about OMD over 2 years after it ended. My question is, why? The new status quo is here to stay so long as Joe Q's in charge and it'll likely be so long before he leaves that even then, most people will just take BND for granted as the Spider-Man status quo and OMD will be little more than a footnote. So when will the OMD-hating fanboys ever say enough is enough and get to that point where they actually have to make a choice rather than complaining ad infinitum: either get over it and enjoy the new status quo or drop Spider-Man's comics and move on? Whining about it incessantly forever and ever and ever when they know nothing will ever come of their complaints got old about a year ago, as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ChelseaGrin26]

^ What he said. I was anti OMD but like Corp said I just quit reading Spider-Man and moved on. Granted I'm not nearly as obsessed as some are so maybe that made the decision easier. I love comics but man the fans trip me out sometimes.

 

[moraldeficiency]

How would I be pro-BND if I've never read it? OMD was enough to make me so disgusted with Spider-Man that I literally stopped reading his comics, period. If they reverse the OMD/BND situation, I'd give them another try, but that's not likely to happen so I've just stopped paying attention to Spider-Man.

Yes, fans are still complaining about OMD over 2 years after it ended. My question is, why? The new status quo is here to stay so long as Joe Q's in charge and it'll likely be so long before he leaves that even then, most people will just take BND for granted as the Spider-Man status quo and OMD will be little more than a footnote. So when will the OMD-hating fanboys ever say enough is enough and get to that point where they actually have to make a choice rather than complaining ad infinitum: either get over it and enjoy the new status quo or drop Spider-Man's comics and move on? Whining about it incessantly forever and ever and ever when they know nothing will ever come of their complaints got old about a year ago, as far as I'm concerned.

It's because of the clone saga. It wasn't too long ago when marvel tried to make spider-man more accessable by making him single and enough people *****ed, complained and stopped buying long enough that marvel had to self correct. So there is a history to this you need to consider, marvel has changed back before. It isn't like it's impossible for it to happen again, but only if people want it enough.

Think of it in this way: if bendis was put on Thor tomorrow and had him give up the hammer to jessica jones, would you ever stop *****ing about it? Would you ever stop letting marvel know how they've taken your favorite character and made it unreadable?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It'd probably take a while but I'm sure I would stop b****ing about it at some point. Probably before 2 and a half years had elapsed, I hope. That'd be enough for me to drop the series, too. I'm a big Thor fan, but if Thor's not actually Thor or had changed so drastically that he's unrecognizable to me in the series, I wouldn't see much need to read it anymore.

And it's not exactly "letting Marvel know" anything to b**** on here. Dan Slott knows the Hype has a bunch of people who are unhappy with OMD, but Marvel cares about the bottom line. If you want the status quo to change, stop buying the series and encourage others to do the same.

 

[moraldeficiency]

It'd probably take a while but I'm sure I would stop b****ing about it at some point. Probably before 2 and a half years had elapsed, I hope. That'd be enough for me to drop the series, too. I'm a big Thor fan, but if Thor's not actually Thor or had changed so drastically that he's unrecognizable to me in the series, I wouldn't see much need to read it anymore.

And it's not exactly "letting Marvel know" anything to b**** on here. Dan Slott knows the Hype has a bunch of people who are unhappy with OMD, but Marvel cares about the bottom line. If you want the status quo to change, stop buying the series and encourage others to do the same.

First off.....Lies!

Hey, I'm not buying ASM, haven't since OMD and don't intend on it. That said I don't see any problem with people complaining even over a course of years. Look at fans of any entertainment. You think Boston fans are ever gonna stop their hate for the Yanks? Or go to the politics section of this board and see how long people will hold grudges over elections or bills. If you're a fan of something and passionate about it and you think it's being ruined you get upset and that doesn't fade. Every time you see that thing it's gonna bring that disgust right back on you. Frankly, venting a bit here is probably the healthiest and least destructive thing anyone could do.

Marvel's entire OMD strategy has been based around expecting people to just move on. I have no problem not playing into that.

 

[JewishHobbit]

How would I be pro-BND if I've never read it? OMD was enough to make me so disgusted with Spider-Man that I literally stopped reading his comics, period. If they reverse the OMD/BND situation, I'd give them another try, but that's not likely to happen so I've just stopped paying attention to Spider-Man.

Yes, fans are still complaining about OMD over 2 years after it ended. My question is, why? The new status quo is here to stay so long as Joe Q's in charge and it'll likely be so long before he leaves that even then, most people will just take BND for granted as the Spider-Man status quo and OMD will be little more than a footnote. So when will the OMD-hating fanboys ever say enough is enough and get to that point where they actually have to make a choice rather than complaining ad infinitum: either get over it and enjoy the new status quo or drop Spider-Man's comics and move on? Whining about it incessantly forever and ever and ever when they know nothing will ever come of their complaints got old about a year ago, as far as I'm concerned.

Oh I didn't say you were pro-BND. I was talking about your 'criticizing' for lack of better terms the complaining that continues... as you've laid out.

You list two options but I don't really see those as the only two. Yes, you could suck it up and continue to buy, or just drop the book and get over it... but for someone like me who was a Spider-Man fan for 16 or so years, who is as strongly of a comic book fan as I am due to the character, who began forming a moral compass DUE to Spider-man's morals (definately had a lack of instruction in real life at that time).... for someone like me, you don't just accept such a rape of a character, and you don't just get over it.

Option three, is stop buying the book and continue to complain about the issues as to vent. Yes, I know Marvel doesn't care, but I don't complain to get at them or anything. I complain for the sake of complaining... it's really that simple. And so far, it's not gotten old one bit.

 

[Gilpesh]

It'd probably take a while but I'm sure I would stop b****ing about it at some point. Probably before 2 and a half years had elapsed, I hope.

I don't know if this is the case for the other *****ers in this thread... but I did stop actively hating it a looooooong time ago. Only when it comes up now, do I say it sucks, just in case everyone else forgot.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

As someone who continued to read despite hating that story, I think 2 and half years I can say I don't feel the quality of Spider-Man has improved any in that time. In fact, it's sad that my favorite Marvel character is just ''there" for me now.

 

[Themanofbat]

Wow... the can of worms one opens up when he posts while tired... lolz...

 

[runawayboulder]

I'll probably read OMIT, but I'm not too thrilled about Quesada writing it (and I read and liked his run on Iron Man). I understand why he's writing it, he should unf**k what he f**ked in the first place. That's the way it should be, I wouldn't expect Dan Slott to write this if it's supposed to be the next big Spidey story after Gauntlet.

But I highly doubt that this will lead to erasing OMD, it'll just be 4 months of Quesada trying to justify it.

 

[Themanofbat]

I like that the cover shows Spidey in his Black Costume as he was wearing it at the time he propsed and then got married...

Kudos to Kontinuity...

 

[JewishHobbit]

I like that the cover shows Spidey in his Black Costume as he was wearing it at the time he propsed and then got married...

Kudos to Kontinuity...

Heh... Kudos to continuity in the same conversation as OMD/BND...

I do find that a bit ironic

 

[iloveclones]

It's kind of funny to me that this is such a big controversy (not OMD and all related, but OMIT.....) It seems like they've been talking about doing this story since BND started(God help us, the world is turning into initials...) . I get the distinct feeling that at first, it wasn't going to be any kind of an event. Just a storyline, or maybe an annual. I think they made the decision (probably correctly) that they have lost all the readers that they're going to. So why not stir up the bees nest a little, make it an event and get a little free pub on the internets? I'm betting that they actually get a pretty decent sales spike out of it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wouldn't surprise me. The sales so far have indicated that enough fans are willing to forgive and forget--or at least keep shelling out their cash--that there's no incentive to return to the previous status quo.

 

[iloveclones]

Well, in my case, there wasn't much to forgive. I didn't like the route, but I had been advocating for the destination for years.

 

[Themanofbat]

Heh... Kudos to continuity in the same conversation as OMD/BND...

I do find that a bit ironic

But the continuity still works, so while it would appear ironic to someone who thinks it's completely changed, the reality is that nothing changed other than they chose not to get married...

 

[kguillou]

So nobody's talking about this? Quesada is saying that O.M.I.T will answer EVERYTHING. Supposedly we're getting answers to to all the lingering questions of OMD. What did MJ whisper, how the new continuity works, pete's secret identity, everything's getting answered finally.

I have to admit, i'm intrigued. I havent been too happy with the spiderman comics since OMD but i'd be lying if i said i wasnt curious as to how the new status quo works with the old one, not to mention what MJ whispered to Mephisto. PLUS, Paolo Rivera is drawing it, so at least it will look beautiful.

 

[runawayboulder]

OMIT isn't gonna answer anything. All it's going to do is justify it, mark my words. The key word here is justify.

 

[nOvAkAiNe]

During Marvel's panel yesterday they said it was One Moment In Time and yeah its Paul Rivera and Joe Quesada.

 

[roach]

OMIT isn't gonna answer anything. All it's going to do is justify it, mark my words. The key word here is justify.

agreed