Obesity Epidemic and Fat Acceptance

[Wylie Times]

im back from my gravy covered Twinkie binge

You joke but I wouldn't be shocked if some place starts or already is serving that. Hell there are places in the south that sell deep fried bacon with gravy on the side.

 

[Franklin Richards]

Don't blame the South for being creative. I've seen fatties in Connecticut too. They just eat boring food... and LOTS of it.



"Gimmie anudda bowl of chowdah!"

 

[Wylie Times]

Don't blame the South for being creative. I've seen fatties in Connecticut too. They just eat boring food... and LOTS of it.



"Gimmie anudda bowl of chowdah!"

Some guy in Texas won an award for Fried BUTTER....

 

[Franklin Richards]

SCIENCE!!!

 

[BlackLantern]

Don't blame the South for being creative. I've seen fatties in Connecticut too. They just eat boring food... and LOTS of it.



"Gimmie anudda bowl of chowdah!"

that would be Massachusetts, dumbass

 

[Wylie Times]

Yeah, mad science.

 

[Wylie Times]

Yeah, mad science.

 

[Franklin Richards]

that would be Massachusetts, dumbass

I lived in West Hartford for 3 years. It's Connecticut. ****head.



And why the name calling lately? Tool? Dumbass?


You crampin' this week or am I just lucky?

 

[Paradoxium]

It was the WHO in 1997. I'd have to assume that they know how and when to apply the term "epidemic."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity#Epidemiology

And they still use BMI as a measure, which is out of date. So I don't know how credible they are in this instance. At least in the area of obesity, it's effects and numbers. As I mentioned, if you measure for body fat adjusted for sex (since women carry more; child rearing), I am confident the numbers will drop.

Unless their argument is BMI is a more accurate measure than body fat.

 

[BlackLantern]

so, Para, are you saying BMI should be the main "measuring stick", as it were. to measure obesity?

 

[Paradoxium]

I am saying it is not. Overeem would be considered obese. Who of course has barely a stick of fat on him. It is for the WHO and many researchers. But if you ask a sports nutritionist, personal trainer or experienced coach, they would have a good laugh.

 

[Carcharodon]

And they still use BMI as a measure, which is out of date. So I don't know how credible they are in this instance. At least in the area of obesity, it's effects and numbers. As I mentioned, if you measure for body fat adjusted for sex (since women carry more; child rearing), I am confident the numbers will drop.

Unless their argument is BMI is a more accurate measure than body fat.

I agree that the BMI is ********.

This is interesting...and suggests that the WHO does look at numbers other than the BMI:

http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/library/blbodyfatcharts.htm

 

[Paradoxium]

For a 20-40 guy, at least what I fall under (and probably a majority of SHH), you probably want to stay at least 12-13%, I personally think anything over 15% is kinda pushing it, let alone the 19 listed. You are borderline athletic at 12-13. Some sports nutritionist recommended I stay 10% and under, and this is where I am at.

Don't know much about the other groups.

 

[Carcharodon]

For a 20-40 guy, at least what I fall under (and probably a majority of SHH), you probably want to stay at least 12-13%, I personally think anything over 15% is kinda pushing it, let alone the 19 listed.

At least 12-13%? Do you mean at most?

I'd like to know what they base these values on...health statistics? It would shed some light on the selections.

 

[Carcharodon]

*resists Abbott and Costello routine*

Maybe it was the WHAT....

In 1997, but have those expectations changed since then?

Great point.

 

[Paradoxium]

At least 12-13%? Do you mean at most?

I'd like to know what they base these values on...health statistics? It would shed some light on the selections.

At most, not least brain fart. 3% is the bare minimum, you body won't allow anymore loss after that. Unless you have an insane amount of muscle mass; which is plausible but not very common.

Those are the numbers I hear from coaches, nutritionists and trainers. You can go around and ask for it. You can find some material on this at wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage and scroll to recommendations.

But like I said, that's the standard I go by - my safe zone. I know if I ever went up to those ranges (like 13) I would start doing something about it. At 10% and under, you are in the 6 pack range. At least to put it in some physical perspective for some here.

 

[Carcharodon]

At most, not least brain fart. 3% is the bare minimum, you body won't allow anymore loss after that. Unless you have an insane amount of muscle mass; which is plausible but not very common.

Those are the numbers I hear from coaches, nutritionists and trainers. You can go around and ask for it. You can find some material on this at wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_fat_percentage and scroll to recommendations.

But like I said, that's the standard I go by - my safe zone. I know if I ever went up to those ranges (like 13) I would start doing something about it. At 10% and under, you are in the 6 pack range. At least to put it in some physical perspective for some here.

Yeah, that's what they recommend for athletes. For "Fitness," the number is up to 17% for men. Fitness is a good goal to have, right?

 

[Paradoxium]

On another note, I am trying to dig up this article I remember reading a while back. But anyways, the jist of it is certain races have different distribution of bodyfat... at the same amount of bodyfat. For example, east asians tend to have the most even distribution. So at say 18%, they "look skinnier" than a non-asian, despite both having about SAME percentage. I think the research dealt with women though.

 

[Paradoxium]

Yeah, that's what they recommend for athletes. For "Fitness," the number is up to 17% for men. Fitness is a good goal to have, right?

Not sure what they consider fitness. Maybe I set it bit high, at least that is the standard I apply to myself.

 

[Victarion]

I've got half of a creamy Mammie Bamfer in my hand as I read this thread. Its a Milky Way, Twix and two Reeses' Peanut Butter Cups held together by cheescake, rolled in butter and flour and finally fried to a delicious golden brown.

My hair-forested plateaus roil like seas in a hurricane as I devour my treat and read this thread. You understand now that we control you. We leech your money to cover our palate-pleasures. You fear us because we can crush your in an avalanche of rippling oil and pizza-scented fury. I laugh at you all.

Laugh!

 

[BlackLantern]

wow....so is it just a lump of deep fried death??

 

[Victarion]

I am building am empire of flesh. It is a building block. I figure, honestly, no one will be here forever, so enjoy yourself.

 

[BlackLantern]

no one is saying don't enjoy yourself, but there are people out there who get winded walking across their house or apartment because they are so unhealthy

Im not saying lets hunt fatties for sport or anything, but I think we can do a better job of promoting healthier habits

 

[Franklin Richards]

It's more fun hunting the athletes anyway.

 

[Lantern Venom]

no one is saying don't enjoy yourself, but there are people out there who get winded walking across their house or apartment because they are so unhealthy

Im not saying lets hunt fatties for sport or anything, but I think we can do a better job of promoting healthier habits

I agree, but we live in a culture that is dripping with bad habits. Fun is advertised as drug-fueled sex romps, jazzing your heart up on energy drinks so you can attend a loud concert and the all-night after party, and drinking yourself into a stupor at the game on Sunday. Balanced = square, Excess = cool.