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Finally saw it, loved it a lot. Just needed something to make it amazing outside of the equipment/vehicles/locations/soundtrack/cinematography. 'Vik' was so great, Tom's best role since Minority Report, but secretly wish he wasn't in it... Lucius Fox & Jamie Lannister were very under used, wished we saw more of their lifestyle and the whole clone thing needed more emphasis.

Question 1; What were the Scavs all along, really just Morgan & Co., and was the war all fake or still part of the timeline and if so than how did that all go down?

Question 2; If their was no war, than the sequence of events was merely...

1- Nasa discovers an alien device
2- Tom & 'Vik' go in, are killed, and cloned... and somehow along with Sally from the Nasa command.
3- An Army of Toms go down to earth to murder humans?
4- Humans fight back with nuks and destroy the world
5- Tet sends down a [insert number of] Tom & 'Vik' "relatively mindwiped" clone teams to patrol the wasteland
6- meanwhile a resistance builds up under Morgan Freeman...

So, where and what is the Tet? How can it do what it does? So, what humans think were Scavs destroying the moon were in fact some power of the Tets? Who the hell got Skyfall chick's capsule to land on earth. Also, how did they just float around for 40 years without ramifications from NASA? Did the Tet like takeover earth asap? Has the Tet been kicking planet's ass one by one for the hell of it...? I really need to know more about this damn Tet haha...

I'm so confused, is that even able to work out or did all of the pretty-ness of this film cover up all of this mish-mash...
 
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antsman41 said:
Question 1; What were the Scavs all along, really just Morgan & Co., and was the war all fake or still part of the timeline and if so than how did that all go down?
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The Scavs were the human resistance. That name was something made up by the Tet to give the Tom/Vik clones an enemy.

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Question 2; So, where and what is the Tet? How can it do what it does?
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The Tet was the giant triangular object in space. It was a sentient mechanical being. It goes from world to world draining natural resources to power itself.

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So, what humans think were Scavs destroying the moon were in fact some power of the Tets?
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The Tom/Vik clones were the only ones who thought the humans were Scavs. It was part of their brainwashing/programming as explained in the beginning.
 
1. The Scavs was really Morgan & Co.

2. yep pretty much.

Tet is some sort of alien AI and I believe the Tet destroyed the moon when it arrived.


edit: Poni Boy said it best. :up:
 
Not being sarcastic so please don't take it that way, but you should watch it again and pay close attention to the movie. Because all of that is explained expressly with the exception of what the Tet is
 
I'm just confused by Tet's damn 'false history' she told Tom & Vik...

It doesn't help when we don't know all of what she is.
 
The Tet is the alien. It's a sentient mechanical alien that attacked earth. No one expressly knows what it is outside of that it invaded Earth to drain its natural resources to power itself. It is the only alien presence. The rest of humans and human clones.
 
In fairness I had all of these questions and more after the first time I watched the movie, but a 2nd viewing answered all of them, its all in the movie, though sometimes not explained very clearly.
 
I didn't mind this film so much. I didn't like the 'twist' because after the introductory dream sequence and the lengthy monologue I said to my missus, 'Clones working for aliens.' Honest. It happens sometimes. This is just one of those times where all the information dumped on me in the first five minutes added up perfectly to the obvious twist. The missus was not happy when I was proved right lol.
 
Eggyman said:
I didn't mind this film so much. I didn't like the 'twist' because after the introductory dream sequence and the lengthy monologue I said to my missus, 'Clones working for aliens.' Honest. It happens sometimes. This is just one of those times where all the information dumped on me in the first five minutes added up perfectly to the obvious twist. The missus was not happy when I was proved right lol.
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At the very least the twist is revealed as just kind of being the premise of the second half or at least the last third of the movie rather than intended as some climactic moment.
 
^I just felt overall it wasnt a very good twist, but the story needed it I suppose.
 
Its just a trope that's been used better in other movies lately.

My main problem with this movie is that I find myself wishing it was just a movie about Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Morgan Freeman.
 
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At the very least the twist is revealed as just kind of being the premise of the second half or at least the last third of the movie rather than intended as some climactic moment.
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I see, still isn't great to know after five minutes.
 
I liked this film quite a bit. I liked the fact that it just told its story and didn't put in unnecessary action beats for no reason. A pleasant surprise with some jaw dropping visuals. I guessed aspects of the twist rather than the whole thing.

I did however think Olga Kurylenko (?) was pretty goddamn awful in it though and would have much preferred Victoria as the main love interest.
 
I have my problems with this film, but I cant deny it was one of, if not thee most visually impressive of the year so far. Simply beautiful to look at.
 
Watched it on BD today, no matter mine or other peoples problems with the movie, this movie was MADE for blu-ray, it looked stunning in the format.
 
This movie was confusing. What is all this talk of Aliens? To be fair my volume was low, and you could barely understand te actors anyway. Seems like they were mumbling all the time. I give it 7/10. Who said Freeman did this movie for a paycheck only? I thought he was quite good and added to the movie.
 
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The movie was beautiful but the end lacks any emotional weight because it flatout doesn't work.

[BLACKOUT]The Cruise clone that we followed as an audience, went through his emotional journey and learns how to be heroic through this ultimate sacrifice died with him. His memories of the NOW..in the narrative-throughline are gone forever; this other clone doesn't know squat about what just happened. What? Did Jaimie Lanisster tell this new clone everything that just happened? Because it doesn't matter...! Stupid.[/BLACKOUT]
 
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The movie was beautiful but the end lacks any emotional weight because it flatout doesn't work.

[BLACKOUT]The Cruise clone that we followed as an audience, went through his emotional journey and learns how to be heroic through this ultimate sacrifice died with him. His memories of the NOW..in the narrative-throughline are gone forever; this other clone doesn't know squat about what just happened. What? Did Jaimie Lanisster tell this new clone everything that just happened? Because it doesn't matter...! Stupid.[/BLACKOUT]
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[BLACKOUT]The tech 52 clone would have known quite a bit, he saw the other Cruise clone, saw Julia which brought back all of his memories as we see in the movie and would have seen the Tet get taken out as well.

The humans probably filled in the rest but he knew quite a bit already.[/BLACKOUT]

It was a bit of a cop-out ending, but I do like it after watching the movie a few more times. Leaving that thread dangling would have probably gotten just as much criticism if not more.
 
I didn't get around to seeing this in cinemas. I'm looking to watch the Blu soon.
 
That's the problem. I 'get it' but it doesn't work out for me. A[BLACKOUT]gain, I'm not talking about his 'past life' as a real person. I'm talking about the events that happened to Cruise #1; Cruise #2 is not the same guy who killed himself to save the world. He's not the same guy who discovered his hidden cabin in the forrest. Cruise #2 may have similar curiosities but we didn't follow his story.

That being said, I think they should've just left him dead. By bringing out Cruise 2, it's like having a twin brother coming in at the end. Looks the same; different person in the long run. [/BLACKOUT]

I still liked the movie however. It's just the ending was half-assed.
 
enough with the spoilers. its august. the movie was realesed in april. haha :)

the new clone is not the clone that made the sacrifice.he and the girl should not be together since he is not the same man.

its already a problem that Julia falls in love with the first clone. the Jack that we meet is not the same jack on the spaceship (flashback). so this is already a new human. but ok he has all the memories from the past. so in a way he is enough human to be the same husbad. but the new jack at the end is different.

what made the Jack so special is that he was interested and curious when he still thought the fake story was true. he pushed himself to find out the true. the new Jack knows everything because the humans told him everything.

the ending just doesnt work. its so wrong that it makes me angry. and the ending says a lot about Kosinski as storyteller. a loooooooot.
 
Yes, the ending was pretty cheap. And the climax was "easy" ([blackout]the way Tom entered the Tet[/blackout]).

Had it not been for those 2 elements, it would've been an awesome movie. But I still like it just fine.
 
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