The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Observing the criticisms 1: Peter Parker

[Gianakin_]

Andrew Garfield was fine, imo.

Peter Parker was a bit problematic, though. I blame the script. Hopefully they're fixing him for TASM2.

 

[Repulsor Blast]

yeah i often find myself recalling marc's virtuoso quote from last year to put myself at ease.

i have high hopes for tasm2, i really do. i may not have enjoyed tasm1 as much as others on here, but i remember leaving the cinema thinking "i want more" and not "that was meh"

picture the following electro vs. spider-man moment:

a new york street, semi-destroyed by electro. spider-man is swinging towards him, electro blasts at him several times, spider-man dodges a few, but gets hit and falls to the ground, rolling before striking a pose not dissimilar to "somebody's been a bad lizard".

electro starts charging up, realising that his previous blasts were not enough to seriously hurt spider-man. as he does this, spider-man starts running and flipping towards electro, leaping between cars and using his spider-strength to propel himself forward.

electro, now charged up more, blasts at a spidey currently landing on the hood of a taxi. spider-man jumps out of the way in time, but electro's attack is so powerful that it makes the car blow up. the resulting shockwave/explosion interrupts peter's parkour and sends him flying towards a building. spider-man turns around in mid air and his back absorbs the blow. as he rebounds off the building, he shoots a web either side of electro and propels himself towards him. electro charges his body so as to create a field of electricity around him. spider-man gets thrown back down the road. when he rolls, he no longer strikes a pose at the end, but gets up all the same. time to alter one's strategy.

spider-man dodges a flurry of blasts, all whilst not moving forward, before webbing off a door of a nearby car. he quickly coats the door in his web, so as to insulate it, before charging at electro again.

dodges occur, cars blow up, spider-man holds the shield the entire time. soon, spider-man has closed the gap between himself and his enemy. he blocks the blasts he was unable to dodge, before spinning around on the fly and hurling the door at electro (think a hammer throw in the olympics). electro unleashes a particularly large blast and barely manages to destroy it before it reaches his body, but this momentary distraction has allowed spider-man to enter close quarters. this time, electro has no electric field protecting him.

from the point of view of electro we see spider-man emerge through the aftermath of the car door being destroyed. he throws an uppercut at the camera. cut to a different angle and we see the hit connect. electro is brought off his feat, high enough into the air to clearly show that this is no ordinary punch. this is the punch of someone who has super powers, specifically, the proportionate strength of a spider.

not to waste his advantage, spider-man leaps into the air after electro and somersault kicks him with both legs into the windshield of a car further down the road.

the camera sits behind electro's shoulders. off in the background we see spider-man. spider-man leaps up and out of frame. for a moment there is silence, before spidey comes crashing down into the foreground (all in the one shot - we only see the start and end of his leap) and onto electro's torso with both feet.

 

[amazingly atiba]

good very good now what about rhino

 

[GuestStar2004]

i notice people complain that spider-man didn't kick and punch the lizard, i don't think peter wanted to fight doc connors at all

yes raimi's spider-man would probably have punched and kicked the lizard even if he did know it was doc connors, so i suppose it depends if you wanna accept it through peters point of view or not accept it because it wasn't the fight you wanted

 

[Neno_Kos]

i notice people complain that spider-man didn't kick and punch the lizard, i don't think peter wanted to fight doc connors at all

yes raimi's spider-man would probably have hit punched and kicked the lizard even if he did know it was doc connors, so i suppose it depends if you wanna accept it through peters point of view or not accept it because it wasn't the fight you wanted

lizard was not some bad guy, the villain or at least he was not portrayed that way in movie. Connors was victim of self experiment and formula which peter did give Connors in creating Lizard. This mean Peter created him in one way, so for same reason he didnt destroyed him or fighted back. He just wanted to stop Lizard plans, and bring back Connors.

From what i saw in movie, Peter did the right choice. If you look at bigger picture, Peter turned around Lizard plan and used it against him to bring Connors back. In Raimi movies, you could see often that Peter as Spiderman use his muscles more then his head as he didnt save not even Doc Ock. This is another + for ASM over previous Spiderman movies.

 

[FN Spider-man]

Peter was also using his wit through out the fights if people noticed, he was awlays thinking and its visibly clear

 

[amazingly atiba]

yeah and he was more in touch with his powers more spider like

 

[Picard Sisko]

just going by precedent (i was underwhelmed by the action scenes in tasm1)

One good thing about Alexander Kurtzman & Roberto Orci is that their films tend to have good action scenes.

 

[Picard Sisko]

i notice people complain that spider-man didn't kick and punch the lizard, i don't think peter wanted to fight doc connors at all

yes raimi's spider-man would probably have punched and kicked the lizard even if he did know it was doc connors, so i suppose it depends if you wanna accept it through peters point of view or not accept it because it wasn't the fight you wanted

I'd imagine that punching and kicking Lizard would be futile. Raimi's Spider-Man would not have webbed him up like he did in the school hallway as if he were a real spider.

 

[amazingly atiba]

i wonder how spidey will go about punching electro without being electricuted

 

[Picard Sisko]

i wonder how spidey will go about punching electro without being electricuted

He probably won't be able to punch Electro. He will either have to make his "electro-proof" costume like in the comic books, or use more webbing and such. In the set photos we see him "charging" his web shooters, so maybe that has something to do with Electro.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I thought Peter was too slick in this one. Shooting a web at Gwen's butt and then pulling her in and the skateboarding. He seemed like a pretty cool kid. I prefer Maguire's Peter Parker. He was dorky but endearing at the same time. I prefer Garfield's Spider-Man to Maguire's though.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I thought Peter was too slick in this one. Shooting a web at Gwen's butt and then pulling her in and the skateboarding. He seemed like a pretty cool kid. I prefer Maguire's Peter Parker. He was dorky but endearing at the same time. I prefer Garfield's Spider-Man to Maguire's though.

Hey, who says nerds can't be cool?

Andrew reminded me of Ultimate Peter Parker.

 

[amazingly atiba]

He probably won't be able to punch Electro. He will either have to make his "electro-proof" costume like in the comic books, or use more webbing and such. In the set photos we see him "charging" his web shooters, so maybe that has something to do with Electro.

Gwen is wearing the death outfit in that set pic but i hope punches are thrown and can you post a pic of spideys electro proof costume

 

[FN Spider-man]

It was after the spider bite that gave Peter confidence and you could notice it.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah Andrew's Peter is definitely not tape between his glasses, pocket protector, argyle sweater type "nerd". Peter in this is very much just an outcast who is aware of who he is and chooses not to be apart of some clique. He'd rather spend his time doing things he's into. You can very much get that feel from him when watching the movie. That being said, I think it still translates from the mythos.

I wouldn't even say he's "cool" per se because if he was really "cool" he'd be wearing a letterman jacket and hanging out with Flash and attractive girls. Combine this with the smarts that he has, brings you Peter Parker.

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah Andrew's Peter is definitely not tape between his glasses, pocket protector, argyle sweater type "nerd". Peter in this is very much just an outcast who is aware of who he is and chooses not to be apart of some clique. He'd rather spend his time doing things he's into. You can very much get that feel from him when watching the movie. That being said, I think it still translates from the mythos.

I wouldn't even say he's "cool" per se because if he was really "cool" he'd be wearing a letterman jacket and hanging out with Flash and attractive girls. Combine this with the smarts that he has, brings you Peter Parker.

Well said.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I think people who critized Garfield performances as Peter Parker, are ignorant people who dont read much comics to know deep of Peter Parker character. Or maybe they do? and because of that they are trying to find arguments as his hair, clothes, glasses, neck etc. to give them some justification for critic where there is nothing else to criticize.

But what most people dont know is that Garfield weared same type of clothes, had similar hair just like Peter in comics or cartoons, as Webb tried as close is possible bring comic book characters alive.

Peter was always a cool guy, specially those who knowed him very well and were close to him. To everyone else who didnt know him, he looked as outcast doing his own thing, ignoring him or maked fun of him as Flash did.

He was best portrayed character in ASM, alongside Gwen.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Well said.

Thanks man.

I think people who critized Garfield performances as Peter Parker, are ignorant people who dont read much comics to know deep of Peter Parker character. Or maybe they do? and because of that they are trying to find arguments as his hair, clothes, glasses, neck etc. to give them some justification for critic where there is nothing else to criticize.

But what most people dont know is that Garfield weared same type of clothes, had similar hair just like Peter in comics or cartoons, as Webb tried as close is possible bring comic book characters alive.

Peter was always a cool guy, specially those who knowed him very well and were close to him. To everyone else who didnt know him, he looked as outcast doing his own thing, ignoring him or maked fun of him as Flash did.

He was best portrayed character in ASM, alongside Gwen.

Totally. I know this dude that said, "Peter was nothing like he's supposed to be in the comics." So you're right. There are people that haven't even read much. I guess they just know Peter as a "nerd".

 

[SpideyK]

I think people who critized Garfield performances as Peter Parker, are ignorant people who dont read much comics to know deep of Peter Parker character. Or maybe they do? and because of that they are trying to find arguments as his hair, clothes, glasses, neck etc. to give them some justification for critic where there is nothing else to criticize.

But what most people dont know is that Garfield weared same type of clothes, had similar hair just like Peter in comics or cartoons, as Webb tried as close is possible bring comic book characters alive.

Peter was always a cool guy, specially those who knowed him very well and were close to him. To everyone else who didnt know him, he looked as outcast doing his own thing, ignoring him or maked fun of him as Flash did.

He was best portrayed character in ASM, alongside Gwen.

He really did.

Basically the whole color palette for his clothing, was based off the TSSM cartoon - mainly brown, blue, and black, that is. The costume designers (and- or Webb) even gave Peter a pair of blue/yellow socks, as a reference to his shoes in TSSM.

^Compare that to what Peter was wearing in the scene where he's in his room, listening to Uncle Ben's message, right before he goes out and walks up to the big, red grafitti-Spidey logo.

People need to realize Webb really does know his ****.

 

[Picard Sisko]

He really did.

Basically the whole color palette for his clothing, was based off the TSSM cartoon - mainly brown, blue, and black, that is. The costume designers (and- or Webb) even gave Peter a pair of blue/yellow socks, as a reference to his shoes in TSSM.

^Compare that to what Peter was wearing in the scene where he's in his room, listening to Uncle Ben's message, right before he goes out and walks up to the big, red grafitti-Spidey logo.

People need to realize Webb really does know his ****.

'Nuff said.

 

[RiXi]

i wonder how spidey will go about punching electro without being electricuted

I liked the way he web-covered his hands so he could punch him in TNAS t:

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Yeah Andrew's Peter is definitely not tape between his glasses, pocket protector, argyle sweater type "nerd". Peter in this is very much just an outcast who is aware of who he is and chooses not to be apart of some clique. He'd rather spend his time doing things he's into. You can very much get that feel from him when watching the movie. That being said, I think it still translates from the mythos.

I wouldn't even say he's "cool" per se because if he was really "cool" he'd be wearing a letterman jacket and hanging out with Flash and attractive girls. Combine this with the smarts that he has, brings you Peter Parker.

I disagree. I believe Andrew's Peter is very much unaware of who he is. He knows the things he's into and wants to do those things, i.e. "I love science" and of course his love of photography is present but this is a PP that is still attempting to find himself. He hasn't quite got that part figured out yet. I'm looking forward to how they expand on this aspect of his character in the sequel and just how much of himself he's able to find.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I liked the way he web-covered his hands so he could punch him in TNAS t:

That show isn't that bad IMO. I really liked the animation, and it was fun seeing a more mature version of Spider-Man. From what I understand, it was an alternate sequel to Spider-Man 1, and was intended to hold people off until Spider-Man 2 would be released.

My biggest complaint though is that they hardly used actual Spidey villains.

 

[amazingly atiba]

whats this electro proof suit you speak of @picard