October 2010 Sales Estimates

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The list came out this past Tuesday:
http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/18751.html


Uncanny X-Force #1 was number 1 @95,639 then it was 5 straight DC books. Batman: Return of Bruce Wayne #5, Brightest Day #11 and 12, Green Lantern #58 and Batman and Robin #15 (pretty much the same as September). Marvel rounded up the top 10 with it's core Avenger books and Kick-Ass 2 #1.

The Avengers books dropped quite a bit except for Secret Avengers which had the least drop off from the prior month. New Avengers and Avengers swapped spots probably due to Rulk on the horizon. Sadly Avengers Academy continues it's freefall.:csad:

Carnage #1 took the 25th spot, which surprised me a bit.
 
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Uncanny X-Force being #1 surprised me. Did not see that coming.
 
I'm not surprised. There was a ton of buzz leading up to the book and everyone seemed to love the first issue.

The one that surprised me was how high X-Men Legacy sells. #24 @ about 48K. I consider it the weakest of the core X-books.
 
Speaking from personal experience, Marvel's price hike has made me cut out a lot of their books and turn to DC. NOt surprised at all by DC's sales increase, especially GL.
 
Hasn't changed my buying habits at all. I like more Marvel comics so I read more Marvel comics.
 
Oh wow, it's selling really badly. That's a shame. It's pretty good. :csad:
 
I'm not surprised. There was a ton of buzz leading up to the book and everyone seemed to love the first issue.

The one that surprised me was how high X-Men Legacy sells. #24 @ about 48K. I consider it the weakest of the core X-books.
Right now, I would say its been the second best after X-force. Im surprised its not doing higher
 
Hasn't changed my buying habits at all. I like more Marvel comics so I read more Marvel comics.

Hasn't changed yours but I know a lot of people it has. I love Marvel first and foremost but what the price hike has done was made me look more to DC and now I'm getting all things GL and GA and not buying shhh from Bendis. It's something I wanted to do for years(get away from Bendis)and now I finally have the chance to do so and with great reason. Hopefully more will take this stance and force him to go DC or something.
 
Poor Thor: The Mighty Avenger.:csad:
is that an ongoing or a mini? If its an ongoing, Thor doesnt seem to be like a character that needs two. He's no Wolverine or Spiderman
 
Marvel is hoping he'll be an Iron Man or Hulk, though. It's an all-ages ongoing set in an alternate universe. Basically an easy starting point for newbs who don't want to jump into his 600-issue ongoing.

Hasn't changed yours but I know a lot of people it has. I love Marvel first and foremost but what the price hike has done was made me look more to DC and now I'm getting all things GL and GA and not buying shhh from Bendis. It's something I wanted to do for years(get away from Bendis)and now I finally have the chance to do so and with great reason. Hopefully more will take this stance and force him to go DC or something.
I don't buy much from Bendis anyway. Marvel gets me on the minis, since I like to try a lot of their minis out, though. I know they're overpriced, but I figure I spend like $40-50 on comics a week anyway, so I might as well cut a few I'm not really into and stick with the ones I genuinely like, even if they're a dollar more. If not for my tendency to cut titles after only a couple issues and never look back, I'd be Marvel's dream customer, basically.
 
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is that an ongoing or a mini? If its an ongoing, Thor doesnt seem to be like a character that needs two. He's no Wolverine or Spiderman

It's so much better than the main on-going right now though.
 
Right now, I would say its been the second best after X-force. Im surprised its not doing higher


It's kinda hard to rank them since the line just had a bunch of relaunches.

At this moment I'm going with

X-Men
Uncanny X-Force
UXM
XM Legacy

I really excited for Gillen's first work on Uncanny.
 
I always like looking at sales estimates, even if they have been depressing lately. Monthly comic sales are down a whopping 14% for the quarter, while they are down 4% for the year. UNCANNY X-FORCE #1 was the top book, but it sold less than 96k, and no other comic sold over 90k. CARNAGE #1 was in the Top 25 sellers list with under 48k sales; in 2006, that was bottom of the Top 50 territory. Sales slumps for trades aren't as bad, but trade sales seem to rely on one massive seller to drive things up. The ones of the last few years have been WATCHMEN, SCOTT PILGRIM, WALKING DEAD, and now SUPERMAN: EARTH ONE. ICV2 seems to be blaming the negative sales policies of the last two years as coming home to roost now. Which is perhaps a nice way of saying that experimenting with the $1 sales price surge at the end of 2008 was probably not a good idea, in the midst of a recession that is literally hammering comics because retailers are being wiped out, and no new store replaces them. No wonder there is focus on digital these days. Aside for keeping legal digital sales of "day and date" comics artificially high (as in over $1.99), the big two have done nothing to help the direct market besides seek to exploit it for one cash payout and then watch it smolder in flame.

Still, comics at the lower end of the spectrum are doing better. The #300 book sold over 3,400 copies, which is historically high for the 300th seller. That could simply mean many of the smaller comics that can't manage that have been forced out of the direct market, or got wise and went online. On the downside, the threshold for selling in the Top 100 has gotten lower; FABLES #99 did and it sold less than 19,700 copies. I remember when RUNAWAYS was selling about 23k and just barely hanging onto the Top 95; these days, it might have managed to stay in the Top 80 and "looked" better.

What often sinks DC is the amount of titles they have below the Top 100, but man, Marvel is catching up. The shame of it is that naturally, some of them are good mini's, like TASKMASTER or SHADOWLAND: POWER MAN, or series canceled before their prime like YOUNG ALLIES. Marvel seem incapable of launching anything that is even a step from the beaten path and getting it to last more than 7-10 issues. I am mixed on how I think SPIDER-GIRL will debut. On the one hand, AMAZING SPIDER-MAN hasn't been able to support a spin off mini since BRAND NEW DAY got into full swing, that's basically been over a year now. On the other hand, CARNAGE did better than I expected, unless Clayton Crain and Zeb Wells are really top draw talent. Methinks retailers ordered that on the premise that Carnage USED to be hot, and has been kept dead for about five years now with little word. The next issue will be in December. Still, that means it may be possible that SPIDER-GIRL #1 won't be DOA. I still wouldn't bet my life's savings on it lasting past issue ten.

These lists are always fun, or disturbing, seeing where things you like sell. Bendis' Avengers titles seem to be slipping all the way back to pre-relaunch titles, if not more so. SECRET AVENGERS has also slipped, but not as much and remains locked in the Top 10, which is fine for the Avenger's C title. More disheartening, though, is seeing AVENGERS ACADEMY barely remain in the Top 65 in a down month with over 31k. Sales on that have not been stable; to be fair, sales on it's "mother" series, AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE, were also not stable. The lowest point of that book was about 28k, before SIEGE helped it rebound a bit, and at the very least AA is still selling above A:TI's lowest point. It's the best Avengers book, in terms of quality.

STEVE ROGERS: SUPER SOLDIER ended up a bit below CAPTAIN AMERICA, but both were written by the same guy and both sold within the Top 60, which isn't bad. It did better than quite a lot of DEADPOOL material. Can you see it sinking like a stone? Wouldn't it have been smarter if Marvel scaled it back, oh, a year ago before things got this bad?

While DC are still outsold by Marvel overall, it is telling that they have gotten Batman and Green Lantern to outsell Bendisvengers. That was impossible a year or so ago.

It is worth noting while sales for WOLVERINE #2 aren't bad at all (within the Top 15 and outsold UNCANNY X-MEN, albeit by about 40 copies), that his sales have seen a nose-dive drop from the latest issue one; I don't have figures but it's at least a 40% drop, if not closer to about 45-50%. That puts it on level with X-MEN, which isn't too bad if sales can hold steady with that, or not fall too far below UNCANNY.

Fraction on THOR is out selling JMS on SUPERMAN, albeit not by a whole lot (about 1,000 copies). Naturally, JMS was unable to really get WONDER WOMAN's sales to sour, and SUPERMAN managing a Top 25 sales listing is really a sign of how low they were before.

The second chapter of FANTASTIC FOUR's "THREE" arc has seen a drop from the first, but is still up from where it was before. The storyline has caused a spike in sales, although nothing so high as to give BATMAN AND ROBIN's editors any worries. I am actually surprised it outsold SUPERIOR #1, which is Mark Millar's latest movie pitch disguised as a comic.

Good news? CHAOS WAR #1 sold way better than PRINCE OF POWER #4. Bad news? It lost 6k in sales in under one month with #2. Still, if it can hold steady, it'll finish out better than that Pak/Ven Lente run has sold all year.

SHADOWLAND is a modest hit, so long as Marvel didn't expect SIEGE numbers, and it has at least gotten DAREDEVIL back to where it was selling in 2009.
 
I'm really bummed about Avengers Academy spot on the list. There's such a huge gap between AA and the rest of the Avengers books. If this wasn't coming off of a major hyped Avengers relaunch it would get the axe by #12. Since it is covered under the Avengers banner, Marvel will probably give it 18-24 issues or else it would be admitting failure. I doubt they want to do that since SIEGE/Heroic Age was a huge thing for them.
 
Well, the amount of issues Marvel "gives" most series depends on sales. If a series' sales tank right out of the gate, it is a matter of cutting their losses. YOUNG ALLIES, for instance, tanked out of the gate in terms of sales. It likely reached the point that Marvel figured it would be more cost effective to just cut it at issue six and eat whatever they invested into the solicited (but unpublished) issue seven, such as cover art. Which is a shame, because I quite enjoyed it

I do think that Marvel needs to cut their prices on their biggest sellers, because those are the ones most retailers and fans buy, and thus those are the big budget eaters. I also feel some of those smaller launches could take a page from VERTIGO or some other promotions and offer issue one at a very low price, like less than $2. And it isn't like modern Marvel is unaware of that; they offered a 9 cent FF issue as part of the promotion for Waid/Ringo on FF. Of course, that was on the heels of DC selling an issue of Superman for a dime, but it still got attention, got into a lot of hands and FF saw a boost. While I'm not saying every new launch should be a dime, but would stuff like YOUNG ALLIES have caught on if issue one was a dollar? Or even $1.99? $2.50? Promote it as "2001: A Price Odyssey" (as many comics were still $2.50 in 2001).

I mean, AVENGERS ACADEMY likely will last 12-18 issues at least because it had a good debut and sales, while dropping, are not plunging as rapidly as sales for, say, SWORD did.

To be fair, there are those franchises that Marvel and DC refuse to allow to fade. DC, for instance, always spits out a HAWKMAN series attempt every few years, despite the fact that the direct market hasn't desired him since the Comics Code of Authority debuted. Marvel was that tenacious with AGENTS OF ATLAS, and still remain so with Black Panther.
 
There was a lot of the price promotions for comics in the earlier part of the decade then it just stopped out of the blue. I think there were several major titles that had an issue with a 25 cent price-tag.

It would be nice to see them go back to it as a sign of goodwill in these rough times but this is a business not Unicef I suppose.......
 
I really dont see why Marvel especially couldnt lower their prices a lil. With all the ginormous amount of movie money they're raking in, you'd think they could afford to lower their books a bit, they're not exactly suffering especially with their new bed fellow, Disney.
 
It should be policy if a book sells outside of the top 50 it should be 2.99. If you look at all of the Marvel books ranked between 50-100 14 were 3.99 and 8 were 2.99. The majority are minis also. I can understand Thanos Imperative and Chaos War being $4 but does something like Invaders Now and X-Men vs Vampires....or hell even a Shadowland Spider-Man one-shot (that didnt really have much to do with Shadowland) have to be that high?

Bottom line - Mini series should be 1.99, lower tier books 2.99 and save the 3.99 for the flagship titles that are consistently top sellers (Avengers, ASM, Thor, Cap).
 
I think that might be kind of backwards. A lower selling book would probably benefit more from a higher price tag, and top sellers could probably take some leeway with lower prices
 
I dont think so. The lower selling books are most likely going to sell just as low if not worse with the higher price tag. They need to give people a reason to buy them and raising the price wont do it. I think the better selling books can withstand a higher price tag more bc there are those books that will people will buy regardless of how bad or good it is.
 
If you slap a lower price tag on a top 10 book that already sells 3.99 you've just cut yourself out of half of your profit. The book is still going to sell the same quantity.
 
If you slap a lower price tag on a top 10 book that already sells 3.99 you've just cut yourself out of half of your profit. The book is still going to sell the same quantity.

Going from $3.99 to $2.99 is half profits? I don't think so. Regardless, point still stands. When something is selling high, it doesn't really need as much to make money. Slapping $3.99 tag on there, just for the sole fact that it sells and nothing more, is price gouging, which is kind of one of the problems, not the solution.

I dont think so. The lower selling books are most likely going to sell just as low if not worse with the higher price tag. They need to give people a reason to buy them and raising the price wont do it. I think the better selling books can withstand a higher price tag more bc there are those books that will people will buy regardless of how bad or good it is.

Missing the point. In theory, that's the better idea, but when you want to look at the revenue, like he was, putting a high price to a lower selling book is the better option to make sure it makes what it needs to make, not the other way around. I mean why do you think a lot of indie companies tend to have higher price points than the mainstream Marvel and DC books (well, use to anyway, now it's about even I suppose).

I mean, personally I would like to see higher prices, but the equation he presented was kind of backwards since, as you said, most of those minis aren't going to sell much regardless of price. I think I mostly throw my hat in with what Dread was saying, and that the insane quantity of material being put it, is probably just as much as what's killing this minis as much as the price.
 
Missing the point. In theory, that's the better idea, but when you want to look at the revenue, like he was, putting a high price to a lower selling book is the better option to make sure it makes what it needs to make, not the other way around. I mean why do you think a lot of indie companies tend to have higher price points than the mainstream Marvel and DC books (well, use to anyway, now it's about even I suppose).
I get what you are saying but I dont think that works. It would make more financial sense to just keep both types of books priced high as opposed to lowering the one thats guaranteed to sell anyway
 
No, it works, just doesn't work in the usually 'Gotta Catch'em All, Presidents' kind of mentality that the kind of system we live in endorses. With a price point of $2.99, Marvel will still be raking in the dough quite a bit from their Avengers books, Cap, and all the others. You price those higher simply to milk, or to gouge, as much as you can out your audience, hence price gouging.

Though, I do agree with what you say at the end: a standardized amount is probably the better choice.
 
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