Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 10

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Just caught it over the weekend (in singapore).

Well...where do i start ?

1)Compared to Thor & First class, this movie had lots of boring moments :doh:

2)Hector Hammond was a weak villain. :doh:

3)The Ooa scenes should have been more epic. It should have been the highlight of this movie but the scenes there were very bland. The 3600 corps standing around and listening to sinestro was so "matrix reloaded" :doh:

4)Lots of "just plain laziness" scenes. An example, Sinestro brings a team to attack parallax and they get toasted. Then behold.......in the next scene, Sinestro is back in Ooa talking to the guardians ... :whatever: This could have been an epic scene ..... showing how Sinestro escapes from parallex after putting on an admirable fight...thus establishing his character with the general audience. But the makers of this film took the lazy way out.

BTW blake lively looks awesome as a brunette :hrt:
 
So....cut corners in the acting department by hiring lesser names that won't attract audiences as much. How is that going to have a positive affect, and how much do you really think that will save them?

I didn't say that. name actors CAN help...but they already had Ryan Reynolds. Why did they need to cast Tim Robbins? Who did he bring into this movie? I said hire good properly cast and utilized actors before you hire names. Green Lantern did hire two name actors and neither one really did much to attract anyone. If they do a sequel (which I doubt) the film will already have more brand recognition than the first did and some peoples familiarity with Reynolds in the role. There will be less of a need to SELL the movie on big names. But like I said I have my doubts about this movie getting a sequel.

Any GOOD actor could have filled Tim Robbins role and cost less...a role he wasn't what I would call "exceptional" in nor was he used to his maximum potential in.

With Reynolds they went with the bigger draw but it didn't mean nearly as much as it could have because some people feel he was miscast and that the movie surrounding him wasn't the best showcase for this character.

Meanwhile, with a new Superman movie, they've got actors like Kevin Costner, Diane Lane, Russel Crowe....having names like that are ultimately worth a lot more on the marquis than what they cost. BB/TDK with their cast.....that's not a sign of overspending on those movies, why should it be for a GL movie? Specifically trying to do the film for 'cheaper' isn't the answer. Doing it better is, and if it saves a bit no costs here and there, then it's a bonus.
Big names don't matter if audiences don't get interested in the concept or if the film is trash. Batman & Robin had some big names in it and its domestic box office didn't even surpass its budget.

I didn't say make the entire movie cheaper...I mean spent that money WISELY in the areas where it can do the most good. Its going to mean more to spend more money to hammer out a good script, hire the proper director, spend more to improve the special effects or get a quality fx house, and build a GOOD marketing campaign. Id rather have all that PLUS a fantastic actor in the lead rather than a miscast actor who costs more starring in an expensive (but terrible movie). Christian Bale didn't cost 20 million dollars as Batman but he's a fine actor who starred in a quality crafted film. Thats a film with a big name character to draw but an even better example is Iron Man

Iron Man wasn't jammed full of A list stars. There were a few but RDJ was no HUGE box office draw before Iron Man. But Iron Mans budget was spent far more wisely in crafting a quality film than Green Lanterns.

When I said cut corners with the actors I don't mean with TALENT I just mean if your going to HIRE a big name actor to draw in audiences make sure they are cast and used appropriately and their name value is used to their maximum potential.
 
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I didn't say that. name actors CAN help...but they already had Ryan Reynolds. Why did they need to cast Tim Robbins? Who did he bring into this movie?
BB already had Bale and Caine...why did they need Oldman, Freeman, Hauer, and Neeson?

That's what they bring to the movie...it's up to the writers/filmmakers to provide them with material that makes it worthwhile. And BB still cost less than $150M.

I said hire good properly cast and utilized actors before you hire names. Green Lantern did hire two name actors and neither one really did much to attract anyone. If they do a sequel (which I doubt) the film will already have more brand recognition than the first did and some peoples familiarity with Reynolds in the role. There will be less of a need to SELL the movie on big names. But like I said I have my doubts about this movie getting a sequel.
And I say don't worry about saving on name actors (since it won't really add up to much savings in the grand scheme of things), and instead make better use of actors that will attract audiences by being cast.

Any GOOD actor could have filled Tim Robbins role and cost less...a role he wasn't what I would call "exceptional" in nor was he used to his maximum potential in.
Well...let's say they cast Mitch Pileggi or the like...how much less would he have cost than Tim Robbins? Now do that for, say, four other roles.

Seriously...if WB is looking to cut costs by, say, $40-50M. What difference is that going to make? That's not just cutting corners...it's nickel-and-diming. You'd probably save just as much by feeding the crew bagels instead of full catering spreads, using rickshaws for transportation instead of crew vans, and only printing one call sheet for every five crew members per day. Why not do that as well, while we're at it?

With Reynolds they went with the bigger draw but it didn't mean nearly as much as it could have because some people feel he was miscast and that the movie surrounding him wasn't the best showcase for this character.

Big names don't matter if audiences don't get interested in the concept or if the film is trash. Batman & Robin had some big names in it and its domestic box office didn't even surpass its budget.
Which is why I said keep the names....improve the writing/filmmaking, and the supervision. Then you have a win-win.

I didn't say make the entire movie cheaper...I mean spent that money WISELY in the areas where it can do the most good.
That's a nice sentiment, but your game-plan is flawed.

Its going to mean more to spend more money to hammer out a good script, hire the proper director, spend more to improve the special effects or get a quality fx house, and build a GOOD marketing campaign. Id rather have all that PLUS a fantastic actor in the lead rather than a miscast actor who costs more starring in an expensive (but terrible movie). Christian Bale didn't cost 20 million dollars as Batman but he's a fine actor who starred in a quality crafted film. Thats a film with a big name character to draw but an even better example is Iron Man
Campbell wasn't hired because he was cheap, y'know. And again, you're looking at the results and assuming it was a recognizable little variable before the film was made that would have made a world of difference. That's the kind of backwards thinking that you want to avoid.

Iron Man wasn't jammed full of A list stars. There were a few but RDJ was no HUGE box office draw before Iron Man. But Iron Mans budget was spent far more wisely in crafting a quality film than Green Lanterns.
So RDJ, Gweneth Paltrow, and Jeff Bridges weren't nearly as much a draw as Tim Robbins? See...whatever is or isn't spent on casting doesn't automatically deduct from/add to how a film is written or produced. If a $150M-200M film casts Tommy Lee Jones instead of a lesser-named star, it's not like they automatically have to settle for a lesser writer.

When I said cut corners with the actors I don't mean with TALENT I just mean if your goign to HIRE a big name actor to draw in audiences make sure they are cast and used appropriately and their name value is used to their maximum potential.
And once more, you're approaching it wrong. You don't lower your sights in the talent/name department to save money on a 9-figure production. You look at larger workflows and time. You look at the cost of extra workdays and overages for huge production crews, post facilities, and locations. You look at the places where the largest bulk sections of your budget goes into, because that's where the biggest differences will come. And the answer almost always lies in management. Otherwise, it's like buying cheaper ingredients that taste almost the same for a gourmet restaurant...when it's the service and vibe of the establishment that's loosing you money. It's usually the overall business model and workflow that makes the biggest differences. This isn't some $3M indie....so don't nickel-and-dime it like one.

'Savings' in casting is not an answer.
 
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BB already had Bale and Caine...why did they need Oldman, Freeman, Hauer, and Neeson?

That's what they bring to the movie...it's up to the writers/filmmakers to provide them with material that makes it worthwhile. And BB still cost less than $150M.


And I say don't worry about saving on name actors (since it won't really add up to much savings in the grand scheme of things), and instead make better use of actors that will attract audiences by being cast.


Well...let's say they cast Mitch Pileggi or the like...how much less would he have cost than Tim Robbins? Now do that for, say, four other roles.

Seriously...if WB is looking to cut costs by, say, $40-50M. What difference is that going to make? That's not just cutting corners...it's nickel-and-diming. You'd probably save just as much by feeding the crew bagels instead of full catering spreads, using rickshaws for transportation instead of crew vans, and only printing one call sheet for every five crew members per day. Why not do that as well, while we're at it?


Which is why I said keep the names....improve the writing/filmmaking, and the supervision. Then you have a win-win.


That's a nice sentiment, but your game-plan is flawed.


Campbell wasn't hired because he was cheap, y'know. And again, you're looking at the results and assuming it was a recognizable little variable before the film was made that would have made a world of difference. That's the kind of backwards thinking that you want to avoid.


So RDJ, Gweneth Paltrow, and Jeff Bridges weren't nearly as much a draw as Tim Robbins? See...whatever is or isn't spent on casting doesn't automatically deduct from/add to how a film is written or produced. If a $150M-200M film casts Tommy Lee Jones instead of a lesser-named star, it's not like they automatically have to settle for a lesser writer.


And once more, you're approaching it wrong. You don't lower your sights in the talent/name department to save money on a 9-figure production. You look at larger workflows and time. You look at the cost of extra workdays and overages for huge production crews, post facilities, and locations. You look at the places where the largest bulk sections of your budget goes into, because that's where the biggest differences will come. And the answer almost always lies in management. Otherwise, it's like buying cheaper ingredients that taste almost the same for a gourmet restaurant...when it's the service and vibe of the establishment that's loosing you money. It's usually the overall business model and workflow that makes the biggest differences. This isn't some $3M indie....so don't nickel-and-dime it like one.

'Savings' in casting is not an answer.


So basically..."blah blah blah you're right and I'm wrong"
same old internet response. Gotcha.

Get the last word, argue with the other guy til he shuts down without actually looking at their POV. I said my bit....its not what you perceive it to be but you're gonna look at my thoughts however you want to anyway.
 
So basically..."blah blah blah you're right and I'm wrong"
same old internet response. Gotcha.
No...I itemized each reason. Acting childish about it is up to you.

Get the last word, argue with the other guy til he shuts down without actually looking at their POV. I said my bit....its not what you perceive it to be but you're gonna look at my thoughts however you want to anyway.
See above.

All you have to do is think about GL...if they had cast people of lesser 'fame' than, Robbins and others....would it have changed the script? Would the movie somehow seem less choppy? Look at the reasons as to why the film didn't do well, and ask yourself how casting 'bigger name' actors as opposed to lesser-name ones were responsible for that.

They weren't. The script would have been the same whether it was Robbins or your next door neighbor in that role....the VFX would still be crunched for time and still pulling overtime with the overshooting and release deadline, and still not getting scenes done, Campbell would still be battling with the execs over things, and Hal Jordan would still be wrestling with worn out and overused Daddy issues. None of that happened because they spent too much on the cast, and none of it will improve just by spending less. Casting with bigger names has an inherent value of attracting moviegoers...it's up to the rest of the film to make the most of it.

When it comes to moving forward, it shouldn't be about spending less as motivation. It should be about grossing more from a better movie by adopting a better system.
 
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No...I itemized each reason. Acting childish about it is up to you.

No no..I got it. Your right, I'm wrong. I think being called childish, you "telling my my "game plan is flawed", and I'm "approaching it wrong" sums it up. Instead of discussing the subject you talk about me being wrong. No tact. Go ahead and get that last word in because you can't be wrong. :whatever:
 
No no..I got it. Your right, I'm wrong. I think being called childish, you "telling my my "game plan is flawed", and I'm "approaching it wrong" sums it up.
Hey, the truth hurts sometimes.
Instead of discussing the subject you talk about me being wrong. No tact.
I did discuss it...detail for detail. You're only reacting. Tact, indeed.
Go ahead and get that last word in because you can't be wrong. :whatever:

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Oh I agree. It's up to WB if they think they can do a 'Khan' with GL, and even if they think they can, will they take that chance?
Unlike with the Trek example there isn't a huge existing fanbase to support any sequel, nor is GL as ingrained into the public conciousness as Kirk, Spock & Co have been since the late 60's & 70's when the old show was syndicated all over the world (most everyone has heard of Captain Kirk, only few people I know of here in the UK knew who Hal Jordan was at all).

Like I said before, a sequel at this stage looks doubtful. Maybe they will try again in another 5 -10 years, for but now it does look like GL will be benched by WB.
It's also worth noting that Star Trek The Motion Picture (for all it's flaws) was still a box office success.
 
Casting is not what hurt this movie.

The entire cast played their roles correctly --- if the script didn't give them much to do, that's the fault of the script, and not the actors.

And there are NO "big name actors" in this movie, period, besides bit parts from Tim Robbins and Angela Bassett. (Ryan Reynolds is a "big name"...? Since when...? Outside of the wonderful world of Le Fanboi here at SHH, mainstream audiences don't even know him, other than some parts in some lower-tier superhero flicks and low-budget horror.) KalMart is absolutely correct when he says that cutting the casting budget is *not* the band-aid that GL2 needs.

If anything, GL2 can greatly benefit from adding some *real* name talent with marquee value (even in minor roles) to the cast next go-round.

GL's problems come entirely from the storytelling aspect of the film, and blame can be placed squarely on the heads of those who felt that a space opera epic should be a short affair with blink-and-you-miss-them battles and barely-there thumbnail sketches of characters --- especially the aliens, with whom we in the audience should have spent a *lot* more time.
 
Casting is not what hurt this movie.

The entire cast played their roles correctly --- if the script didn't give them much to do, that's the fault of the script, and not the actors.

And there are NO "big name actors" in this movie, period, besides bit parts from Tim Robbins and Angela Bassett. (Ryan Reynolds is a "big name"...? Since when...? Outside of the wonderful world of Le Fanboi here at SHH, mainstream audiences don't even know him, other than some parts in some lower-tier superhero flicks and low-budget horror.) KalMart is absolutely correct when he says that cutting the casting budget is *not* the band-aid that GL2 needs.

If anything, GL2 can greatly benefit from adding some *real* name talent with marquee value (even in minor roles) to the cast next go-round.

GL's problems come entirely from the storytelling aspect of the film, and blame can be placed squarely on the heads of those who felt that a space opera epic should be a short affair with blink-and-you-miss-them battles and barely-there thumbnail sketches of characters --- especially the aliens, with whom we in the audience should have spent a *lot* more time.
Great post, and it pains me as a GL fan to agree. If they go for another these things absolutely must be addressed.
 
^Blame is also partly on WB or whomever did the scheduling because they did not realize all the FX shots would be so costly and take so long. It is very evident by the poor editing that a good portion of the movie was left out because they just couldn't use it. It became too late to move the release date.
 
It's also worth noting that Star Trek The Motion Picture (for all it's flaws) was still a box office success.

True, but that was in no small part to Sci-fi/Space being all the rage after the success of Star Wars, and this was an old favorite being given the big budget treatment for the first time.
They knew how it was perceived though (great visuals, but a rather dull affair) and that they couldn't get away with 'eye candy' only the next time round.

Worth noting as well the second one didn't make quite as much as the first, though it is generally considered a much better film.
 
I still can't believe how bad it's doing at the B.O :(
 
Just looked it up, goddamn. Hasn't even broken $140mil WW, and with 4th of July weekend backing it according to BoxOfficeMojo. I suspect WB wanted to see it get a boost around now to decide whether or not to green light a sequel but I have to doubt it now. This movie seems to have been a dark journey for GL fans and that's such a shame considering what it could've been.
 
I just hope this doesn't signal the end for superhero movies like Batman & Robin did in the 90's.
 
I just hope this doesn't signal the end for superhero movies like Batman & Robin did in the 90's.

I kinda' hope it does so we can finally get a break from so many of them...then start up fresh again with a few gems years down the road led by a new generation of good filmmakers, like we did back in 2001. They've had a nice run, but too much of anything wears out its welcome.
 
(Ryan Reynolds is a "big name"...? Since when...? Outside of the wonderful world of Le Fanboi here at SHH, mainstream audiences don't even know him, other than some parts in some lower-tier superhero flicks and low-budget horror.)

Come on. Reynolds is a star. He's had his name on top of several Hollywood productions and he's made studios plenty of money, he's on magazine covers, he's frequently voted one of the sexiest men in Hollywood. If the mouth breathing idiots I work with, people's who tastes don't range any deeper than Delta Farce, know who Ryan Reynolds is, then he's not an unknown. Megastar? no. Not known at all to mainstream audiences? not even close.
 
I just hope this doesn't signal the end for superhero movies like Batman & Robin did in the 90's.

I don't know why keep saying this. Blade, the supposed jumpstarter, came out a year later, then X-Men a couple of years after that. Now if you mean DC's movies, well that's another story.
 
One thing that bugged me was the lack of Lanterns beside Sinestro, Kilowogg and Tomar Re. I know that we see them in a huge crowd, but it would have been nice to give them some personality. Something as simple as having a few watching Hal train, and throwing in some words of encouragement, or laughing at him. I mean, wouldn't they be more interested since he's the first human to wield a ring???
 
I just hope this doesn't signal the end for superhero movies like Batman & Robin did in the 90's.

We'll see how Captain America does. Also next year Batman , Superman, Spider-Man, and Avengers should all be moneymakers. I don't think one bomb will expunge the genre.
 
I just hope this doesn't signal the end for superhero movies like Batman & Robin did in the 90's.

2012 sees TDKR, the Amazing Spiderman, Man of Steel, and the Avengers. All four are established franchises...all contain the TOP TIER superheroes or in the Avenger's case all the B-list heroes in ONE FILM. 2012 will kick 2011's superhero movies in the a$$... I knew 2011 would be boring. 2012 will rock.

I just worry Snyder will screw up Superman; I worry the Amazing Spiderman will be too much of a rehash of the first Raimi Spiderman. I feel like it's going to be the same exact movie except his girlfriend will be called Gwen instead of Mary-Jane and one green villain (Goblin) will be exchanged for another green villain (Lizard)...
 
Come on. Reynolds is a star. He's had his name on top of several Hollywood productions and he's made studios plenty of money.

Really? Other than The Proposal, i cant think of any film Reynolds has headlined or co-headlined that has made any serious cash. And even The Proposal's bank was more than likely due to Sandra Bullock....Wolverine: Origins because of Hugh Jackman....i guess Amityville did ok...maybe he should do more horror films. :yay:
 
Really? Other than The Proposal, i cant think of any film Reynolds has headlined or co-headlined that has made any serious cash. And even The Proposal's bank was more than likely due to Sandra Bullock....Wolverine: Origins because of Hugh Jackman....i guess Amityville did ok...maybe he should do more horror films. :yay:

Yeah, he's never had a Tom Cruise superstar phase, but to say or imply that he's basically an unknown is just not true. Chris Hemsworth was an unknown. Brandon Routh was an unknown. Ryan Reynolds has been acting in high profile roles for a decade now.
 
Yeah, he's never had a Tom Cruise superstar phase, but to say or imply that he's basically an unknown is just not true. Chris Hemsworth was an unknown. Brandon Routh was an unknown. Ryan Reynolds has been acting in high profile roles for a decade now.

That is true.
 
Ryan us trying to be the leading man and only has found success in comedies and rom coms. I dint think he is meant to to be a big 'star' because it's been a decade.
 
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