Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 4

[KalMart]

In a couple of months you will be eating those words.

Bro...I think you're a nice guy and all...but you've had a remarkable history of being way off the mark with...a lot of things. So unless someone else tries to drive this point home...it's got about as much credence as the 'finished effects' and 3D stuff that you've commented on (just to name a few)...i.e., you're kinda the go-to guy for what NOT to believe LOL. Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to attack you...but really....you're shootin' blanks, yo?

 

[Showtime]

In a couple of months you will be eating those words.

I don't think so. Comparing Green Lantern with Star Wars is a very very very tall order and unfair to Green Lantern. It's not going to be anybody's Star Wars.

 

[The Sage]

Green Lantern needs to be everybody's Green Lantern.

 

[Rezzo]

Awesome new posters.

 

[Showtime]

That's just you and certainly, you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are definitely not entitled to the facts (especially in this case). The consensus among many around the Internet, among journalists, and the studio itself is that this is DC's "Star Wars". Even Jeff Johns has made that claim and it is part of the reason why Ryan Reynolds was interested in the role of Hal Jordan. Get a real excuse, guy.

With all due respect, the internet and people that work for DC or WB, don't really count in regards to having a non-jaded opinion on the subject. They certainly want it to be Star Wars. It just won't, and there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[KalMart]

I don't think so. Comparing Green Lantern with Star Wars is a very very very tall order and unfair to Green Lantern. It's not going to be anybody's Star Wars.

If it becomes their 'Iron Man', they've knocked it out of the park. Anything more than that would be gravy.

 

[chelo248]

Green Lantern - Extended TV Spot 2 min

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[Marvin]

It's really a cumulative effect of so many big-EFX movies and franchise wars growing over the years. They strategically pick a release date, and whenever there's overages, it eats into the post-production schedule and even budget. Throw in the needs of marketing/trailers well in advance of release, and the pressure is can mount exponentially. Best not to let this 'news' affect your viewing of the movie. I'm sure they'll do everything they can to get things as polished as they can be...and if there are issues/problems with the movie, they'll most likely be in other areas than effects.

On the other hand...GL wasn't exactly given a particularly huge EFX budget to begin with, compared to other tentpole big-EFX pictures. So they're kind of paying for their shortsightedness...although a $9M hike on a $45M original budget isn't massive. Once you get past adding another 1/3rd the original, you start to get into 'whoa' territory.

unlike say captain america, this film will be judged partially on weather the vfx succeed for fail, a la avatar.

The biggest film hit by this effect however will probably be first class.

 

[dark_b]

Green Lantern - Extended TV Spot 2 min

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this is basicly the theatrical trailer. they are always using the same music. so a similar cut will be used for the trailer. very good.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

Sinestro's suit > Hal's suit

 

[dark_b]

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On the other hand...GL wasn't exactly given a particularly huge EFX budget to begin with, compared to other tentpole big-EFX pictures. So they're kind of paying for their shortsightedness...although a $9M hike on a $45M original budget isn't massive. Once you get past adding another 1/3rd the original, you start to get into 'whoa' territory.

who said that what they said was true? about the VFX number?t:

to me this doesnt make any logical sense. why would WB spend such a small number on a movie where they have CGI suits and CGI aliens? IMO the budget was big from the beginning?

what is important is that we pay the same amount of money for the ticket. so if the budget is 200 or 300. doesnt matter.

i would be insulted if a GL fan thinks that the budget for GL is under 200. it would hurt my feelings. because you can not be that naive.

 

[Marvin]

Green Lantern - Extended TV Spot 2 min

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for the first time I tried viewing this as someone complete fresh to the concepts and character of GL.

this trailer presents a very clear and cool concept.
however it's not quite cap america in it's communication of character ark, which may be a good thing.

 

[dnno1]

With all due respect, the internet and people that work for DC or WB, don't really count in regards to having a non-jaded opinion on the subject. They certainly want it to be Star Wars. It just won't, and there is nothing wrong with that.

So you mean to tell me that KalMart does? Don't be ridiculous. DC and the WB are the ones producing the film and that's what they are saying they made. For years, folks like Gregory Noveck have been saying that Green Lantern was "like Star Wars" so this is nothing new. I think even a novice can conclude from the trailers that Green Lantern is space based SciFi, so don't try to be an apologist for this guy by giving him a pass at saying that this is not.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Sinestro's suit > Hal's suit

That = Point.

 

[KalMart]

unlike say captain america, this film will be judged partially on weather the vfx succeed for fail, a la avatar.

Yeah, it's really its biggest selling point. But from what we've seen so far, the actual effects quality is fine...right up there with anything else these days. I think it'll be up to whether or not the concept plays well enough to give it some good legs with all the other competition out there. Because even if it has incredible effects....it's still just effects..so if the movie isn't fun, there's a fear it might go the way of Clash Of the Titans or what have you...exacerbated by the repercussions of a poor 3D conversion. But 3D can also put a tremendous strain on post/effects if they are doing the actual effects in 3D, since everything you do has to basically be rendered out twice, one for each eye....then coordinated for convergence points with stuff that's been converted, and so on. COTT showed how you can't just flick a '3D switch' late in post to capitalize on it. It's a whole other can of worms.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

who said that what they said was true? about the VFX number?t:

to me this doesnt make any logical sense. why would WB spend such a small number on a movie where they have CGI suits and CGI aliens? IMO the budget was big from the beginning?

what is important is that we pay the same amount of money for the ticket. so if the budget is 200 or 300. doesnt matter.

i would be insulted if a GL fan thinks that the budget for GL is under 200. it would hurt my feelings. because you can not be that naive.

Wasn't the budget for SR like 250 or something? As bland as those visuals were for that much, I can't imagine GL would be anything less than that.

 

[JAK®]

So you mean to tell me that KalMart does? Don't be rediculous. DC and the WB are the ones producing the film and that's what they are saying they made. I think even a novice can conclude from the trailers that Green Lantern is space based SciFi, so don't try to be an apologist for this guy by giving him a pass at saying that this is not.

It's called being a realist as opposed to being a deluded fanboy.

 

[JAK®]

Wasn't the budget for SR like 250 or something? As bland as those visuals were for that much, I can't imagine GL would be anything less than that.

Singer wasted most of that money growing corn in Australia (which wasn't seen in the final movie) and cutting out the most VFX-heavy scenes.

 

[RoughNTumble]

I think it's hilarious that they think x-men is going to make more money than green lantern, with none of the cast returning, and after x-3 and wolverine origins.

 

[The Sage]

I think it's hilarious that they think x-men is going to make more money than green lantern, with none of the cast returning, and after x-3 and wolverine origins.

Not agreeing or disagreeing about profit making but I think First Class will be good and I wish them the best.

And every fanboy thinks their choice movie is going to make more than the others, so it's no big deal.

 

[dnno1]

It's called being a realist as opposed to being a deluded fanboy.

Nah, that called denial.

 

[KalMart]

who said that what they said was true? about the VFX number?t:

to me this doesnt make any logical sense. why would WB spend such a small number on a movie where they have CGI suits and CGI aliens? IMO the budget was big from the beginning?

It wasn't tiny, at $45M or whatever it was. But it was perhaps a bit shortsighted in terms of turnaround time...and if you add in reshoots or other overages in production, it always eats into post-production, and yet the 'deadline' still stays the same. Post never gets the same kind of extra grace periods that production/principle gets. These are still human beings doing this work, so you can only push so much before it starts to pile up and take its toll. So the majority of extra money is spent on making up for less time, not necessarily the actual quality/amount/level of the effects themselves.

what is important is that we pay the same amount of money for the ticket. so if the budget is 200 or 300. doesnt matter.

i would be insulted if a GL fan thinks that the budget for GL is under 200. it would hurt my feelings. because you can not be that naive.

I think that those who work out the budgets for these types of pictures kinda' need to 'get with the times' as well...in regards to the time/scheduling that I mentioned above...and be more in tune with effects/post workflows. Technology hasn't made things easier or quicker. Even if they doubled the supposed budget, it won't buy you more time and energy in the same amount of weeks...and with advancements in effects, there's more workload and time that's needed per capita, so to speak. You can scramble and hire more people/facilities, but so's every other big-EFX movie out there in order to make their release date.

What the interviewees in the Variety article were pointing out...and what I also believe....is that they need to start scheduling more realistically for post and/or start earlier with principle to make their release dates. It might end up costing a little more when spec'ing the budget, but it'll be better use of the money than adding huge overtime and rush charges when it's down to the wire.

 

[JAK®]

Nah, that called denial.

GL has the potential to be anything from a moderate to huge success, depending on the quality of the movie. But the next Star Wars? I have no problem admitting that no, it won't.

Because;

Green Lantern is just another superhero movie. Yes, it's our first cosmic-based hero, which I'm sure will be noted by the public, but GL has very little to offer to the public that they haven't seen before. All it can do is be good at what it does.

Also, you have to admit, this film is playing it safe. Casting a well known and popular actor in the lead role? Actress from a hit TV show as the love interest? Mark Strong as a (future) villain? Marin Campbell directing, the man who brought Bond back twice?

All that is great, and inspires confidence, but nobody has ever broke new ground playing it safe. Star Wars didn't play it safe.

 

[dnno1]

Bro...I think you're a nice guy and all...but you've had a remarkable history of being way off the mark with...a lot of things. So unless someone else tries to drive this point home...it's got about as much credence as the 'finished effects' and 3D stuff that you've commented on (just to name a few)...i.e., you're kinda the go-to guy for what NOT to believe LOL. Nothing personal, and I'm not trying to attack you...but really....you're shootin' blanks, yo?

I've been spot on with a lot of things and This film is going to do well. Mark my word.

 

[GoblinWhirlwind]

I got sick of hearing Avatar would be "the new Star Wars" and I'll soon get sick of hearing that about GL.