Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 4

[dnno1]

I love millar and he's mostly right.
but reynolds and ford couldn't be any more different no matter what their age.

No, Ryan Reynolds is not Harrison Ford, for they are two different people, but they have played the same types of roles. That of the action hero (Ford was Indiana Jones, Jack Ryan, Han Solo, and Reynolds Hannibal King, Wade Wilson, Richard Messner, and now, Hal Jordan), and dramatic leading men. They are not the same guy, but they are following similar careers. As far as the Hal Jordan/Han Solo comparison goes, both are cocky pilots who end up being heroes who save worlds of people. Certainly, the Star wars films that Ford was in are considered classics, but that is in the making for "Green Lantern". Certainly it is safe to draw the comparisons.

 

[Micromind]

Green Lantern is older character than Star Wars franchise, (Star Wars :The first film in the franchise was originally released on May 25, 1977.)

(Green Lantern is the name of several fictional characters, superheroes appearing in comic books published by DC Comics. The first Green Lantern (Alan Scott) was created by writer Bill; Finger and artist Martin Nodell in All-American Comics #16 (July 1940).)

Hal Jordan was introduced in late 1950's. [From Wikipedia.]

The IGN article says that that the first trailer looked Goofy, I disagree.

 

[JAK®]

So, it's okay for certain comic book movies to play it safe, but if Green Lantern doe's it to an extent, one has to poo poo on it for doing that? At least the movie has a number of fresh things to offer, unlike some of the other comic book movies that have been offered.

And you can't completely blame it for having to play it safe, it's partially the general audiences' fault. Think about all of the countless and generic as hell movies that they flock to. Yeah there may have been comic book movies that were good, but let us not pretend that none of them didn't play it safe at all, I could name some comic book movies. But I don't want to.

I'm baffled that you could read that post and come away thinking that I was somehow criticising the movie.

I have never said that Green Lantern is the only comic book movie that has played it safe, or that it is a bad thing that it is playing it safe.

You are arguing against comments I never made.

 

[The Sage]

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/green_lantern_battling_special.html

struggling to get the effects done on time.

This is what they get for doing another stupid, forced 3D conversion that looks like ****.

Different article, same news report as three others.

I think Harrison was just reflecting on Crystal Skull when he said that.

And who could blame him. But I wonder if he's referring to movies relying more on special effects than story.

 

[Assassin]

kinda wish they would push back the movie to Christmas if it means it will look better.

 

[dnno1]

I think it is important for them to make the scheduled release date. First of all, because everything else in the franchise (in the way of merchandising) is hinging around the film. Secondly, the investors want to start making back their money as soon as possible. Any delay means that they have to wait that much longer to do that. It is so important that they are willing to spend $9 million extra to stay on schedule.

 

[KalMart]

From Blastr.com:

Star Trek has much more in common with Star Wars than GL...and was it the next Star Wars? In fact, just about any movie with Sci-fi/space elements can point to Star Wars as an influence. It does not mean that the actual movie will have the kind of success or cultural impact that Star Wars had. So you can bring up as many quotes citing Star Wars elements as you want...but nobody in their right mind is expecting GL to be the next Star Wars. The next Iron Man, or Transformers in terms of popularity perhaps, if it's really good. Maybe GL should concern itself more with creating a new intergalactic movie experience, instead of trying to feed off someone else's to hike up its profile. Heck, maybe every mafia-themed movie out there should tout itself as the 'next Godfather', for that matter. But by all means...keep trying.

 

[The Sage]

Star Trek has much more in common with Star Wars than GL...and was it the next Star Wars? In fact, just about any movie with Sci-fi/space elements can point to Star Wars as an influence. It does not mean that the actual movie will have the kind of success or cultural impact that Star Wars had. So you can bring up as many quotes citing Star Wars elements as you want...but nobody in their right mind is expecting GL to be the next Star Wars. The next Iron Man, or Transformers in terms of popularity perhaps, if it's really good. Maybe GL should concern itself more with creating a new intergalactic movie experience, instead of trying to feed off someone else's to hike up its profile. Heck, maybe every mafia-themed movie out there should tout itself as the 'next Godfather', for that matter. But by all means...keep trying.

I think when anyone says GL is the next Star Wars, they means in the spirit of Star Wars. Space opera, reluctant and reckless hero, aliens, a hero who falls to the Dark Side, etc. More like that than cultural impact or financial success.

 

[KalMart]

I think when anyone says GL is the next Star Wars, they means in the spirit of Star Wars. Space opera, reluctant and reckless hero, aliens, a hero who falls to the Dark Side, etc. More like that than cultural impact or financial success.

Like I said....a lot of films...heck, any big-time effects film AFTER Star Wars....incorporates some of the 'spirit' of Star Wars (which itself worked off of the spirit of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers), especially Sci-Fi. Basically, you don't have to push it if it's such a given. I have a feeling they wouldn't be citing the 'Star Wars-ness' as much if they weren't afraid that it would come off as silly with the green ring and shapes, etc. 'Don't think comic book...think...Star Wars....yeeeaahhh...' Seriously, if they make the story/film good enough, you won't have to bring up Star Wars...just like POTC didn't have to bring up Raiders, and so on.

To their credit...the idea of an intergalactic justice corps is, to me, what makes the GL story interesting...so if they're pushing that as its main narrative hook, I think it's a good idea....and possibly a setup for a much bigger space battle/opera/etc. in a second film.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I never said it won't do well. It's just not going to be the next Star Wars. Heck...TDK was the second highest grosser of all time when it played, and IT wasn't the next Star Wars. So GL's got a big hill to climb to even be in Batman's league, never mind Star Wars.

And really...STAR WARS didn't even know it was going to be what it was, so you really can't predict that in any capacity.

Your consistent level of incomprehension and myopia...THAT.....you've been spot on with. Never change, bro.


That's domestic, Einstein.

no offense but these Long range forecasts are utter crap. they're always wrong by tens of millions of dollars.

 

[KalMart]

no offense but these Long range forecasts are utter crap. they're always wrong by tens of millions of dollars.

Probably...but the ones based on sequels are, what..less than 10% different than their predecessors? Not exactly rocket science or clairvoyance. It might be $10-30M off which isn't chump change by any stretch, but from something in the upper $150M+, it's not that way off percentage-wise. I'd like to see what their 'predictions' were before certain movies came out, and how close they ended up being. Then it would give a somewhat fairer outlook on their 'accuracy'. Otherwise, anyone could just look up the last POTC and predict that the next one will make 7% more or less.

 

[dnno1]

Star Trek has much more in common with Star Wars than GL...and was it the next Star Wars? In fact, just about any movie with Sci-fi/space elements can point to Star Wars as an influence. It does not mean that the actual movie will have the kind of success or cultural impact that Star Wars had. So you can bring up as many quotes citing Star Wars elements as you want...but nobody in their right mind is expecting GL to be the next Star Wars. The next Iron Man, or Transformers in terms of popularity perhaps, if it's really good. Maybe GL should concern itself more with creating a new intergalactic movie experience, instead of trying to feed off someone else's to hike up its profile. Heck, maybe every mafia-themed movie out there should tout itself as the 'next Godfather', for that matter. But by all means...keep trying.

So, to answer your question, no. Star Trek is Star Trek and I don't think their fans would be happy saying one was like the other. BTW this is a pretty good fan made video:



That being said, you would probably find that fans of those two franchises along with the fans of Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5 and Stargate SG1 have similar tastes. Now, as far as Star Wars and Green Lantern, you can draw direct parallels/similarities between the two franchises. First of all, the former has the Green Lantern Corps while the latter has Jedi Knights. The Guardians of the Universe could be akin to the Jedi high council. And you have Hal Jordan being similar to a Han Solo/Luke Skywalker. Both franchises have lots of aliens as well. There is more than just that, but in any case these are aspects that have proven to be very popular to fans of Star Wars and could mean that Green Lantern could appeal to them as well. You could say that Green Lantern has similarities to Star Trek as well (although Green Lanterns do not travel around in starships with a crew of 400 or so), but the Star Wars franchise has a larger and younger fan base and it would lend it self to say that Green Lantern is similar to that franchise to attract that market.

 

[Marvin]

last year's oscar for best effects ended up being a fight between oscar bait films and I guess iron man...due to the lack of strong summer films this previous year.

I can't wait to see the battle for the effects oscar this year.

 

[DCUmoviepage]

The new posters are great, hope for see more new footage in new trailer tonight.

 

[KalMart]

Here we go....

http://www.boxoffice.com/featured_stories/2010-05-boxoffice-forecast-3

Some of these were way off, some were remarkably close to the actual domestic gross. Just on this list, they were off by an average of 30.9%, which is quite substantial (with movies like A-Team, Despicable Me, and Marmaduke being off by 50-66%!).

So if we go, say, 30% over/under....we're looking at the original GL prediction of $120M ranging from a high of around $170M, to a low of somewhere around $95M (which I don't think it will do...too low). I'm going to go a little higher than the middle, and say $140-145M.

 

[dnno1]

Being off by 30% is not really accurate enough to be reliable. Most credible forecasts and statistical data are usually accurate within 3-5% (in either direction).

 

[Rex]

First post!
Anyway, I filled my screen up yesterday with the GL homepage and took a screenshot and then cleaned up all the fine print text in photoshop. I thought some here might want it for a wallpaper or something. (I've got a slightly bigger version on my comp if anyway wants a bigger one (1920 x 1200). I'm super excited about the new movie! t:

 

[dnno1]

Welcome to the Hype and the Green Lantern forums, Rex.

 

[Rex]

Thanks! I've been a long time lurker, but I decided I'd jump on in.

 

[TheVileOne]

This is WB's own fault for forcing yet another ****** 3D conversion the movie didn't need.

Audiences have already gotten wise to the 3D gimmick. Which is exactly what it is. Mostly all because of Avatar. It's so freaking ridiculous. Spending all that extra money to make the movie darker and look like ****. It's pointless.

No secret that the production and visuals have been rushed. The marketing campaign has been weak. Where is all the epic space opera marketing? It's not here.

 

[Marvin]

it took a horrible film and even worse reviews to stop air bender at 145mill
will green lantern fare the same?

 

[KalMart]

So, to answer your question, no. Star Trek is Star Trek and I don't think their fans would be happy saying one was like the other.

That being said, you would probably find that fans of those two franchises along with the fans of Battlestar Galactica, Babylon 5 and Stargate SG1 have similar tastes. Now, as far as Star Wars and Green Lantern, you can draw direct parallels/similarities between the two franchises. First of all, the former has the Green Lantern Corps while the latter has Jedi Knights. The Guardians of the Universe could be akin to the Jedi high council. And you have Hal Jordan being similar to a Han Solo/Luke Skywalker. Both franchises have lots of aliens as well. There is more than just that, but in any case these are aspects that have proven to be very popular to fans of Star Wars and could mean that Green Lantern could appeal to them as well. You could say that Green Lantern has similarities to Star Trek as well (although Green Lanterns do not travel around in starships with a crew of 400 or so), but the Star Wars franchise has a larger and younger fan base and it would lend it self to say that Green Lantern is similar to that franchise to attract that market.

Again, no one said that GL doesn't have some 'Star Wars-like' elements in it, which are attractive to audiences. But so do a whole slew of other big-time effects and sci-fi movies. Star Wars itself incorporated long-standing mythical/hero-journey themes into its narrative that had been used for ages before it....even in comics. So what you've brought up here is...as usual...obvious.

But to say that GL will be DC/WB's Star Wars....it's either way overestimating GL's appeal/impact as a film (not just a superhero film), or downplaying Star Wars as just a sci-fi space-opera with easily repeatable devices that ensure success. It's too vague, and honestly, unrealistic to say that. That's why you have to look at what context 'Star Wars' is being used in terms of drawing parallels...specific story elements, sci-fi, and so on. And in that case...once again, MANY films draw from Star Wars and the same things that Star Wars drew from itself...not just Sci-Fi. But you seem hell-bent on predicting its success with Star Wars being a measuring stick. It's just not realistic or sensible, nor is it fair to put those kinds of expectations on ANY film, not to mention GL. It's like asking GL to become a phenomenon in all of moviedom, regardless of its genre.

So sure, GL has some Star Wars-like elements...sci-fi, an intergalactic organization dedicated to peace and justice, destiny, hero's journey, and so on. But if it were that easy to throw those into a script and come out with the next Star Wars...we'd have a whole lot of Star Warses already. So it would behoove those who use Star Wars in describing GL to exercise some discretion as to what context they're referring to. To me, it looks like a way to draw negative attention away from some of the things that some may find a bit silly upon first glance....like big green fists or springs, or comedic one-liners like in the first trailer. And as questionable as some of WB's decisions have been...it's doubtful that even they/DC would expect GL to be the next Star Wars.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm sure they want the Star Wars comparisons out there. But there just hasn't been enough marketing and advertising for this movie. It better be a great movie because it will need word of mouth to surpass all the lack of marketing and advertising.

This is worse than what was going on with Batman Begins in 2005 where people thought it was a prequel to Batman 1989.

 

[KalMart]

This is WB's own fault for forcing yet another ****** 3D conversion the movie didn't need.

Audiences have already gotten wise to the 3D gimmick. Which is exactly what it is. Mostly all because of Avatar. It's so freaking ridiculous. Spending all that extra money to make the movie darker and look like ****. It's pointless.

No secret that the production and visuals have been rushed. The marketing campaign has been weak. Where is all the epic space opera marketing? It's not here.

What's their 'fault'.....the extra $9M added (+20%) to the EFX budget? If you read the Variety article that this whole thing is sourced from...it's not just GL and its 3D, it's more about the cumulative repercussions of more effects in all big-time movies straining post-production to make a hard deadline. GL is just one example of a growing concern for all movies...not just WB's misstep.

 

[KalMart]

I'm sure they want the Star Wars comparisons out there. But there just hasn't been enough marketing and advertising for this movie. It better be a great movie because it will need word of mouth to surpass all the lack of marketing and advertising.

This is worse than what was going on with Batman Begins in 2005 where people thought it was a prequel to Batman 1989.

Don't worry....once they come out with this.....

...all will be good with marketing.


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