Official Green Lantern News & Discussion Thread - Part 9

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Thats kinda what I ment DD people loved some hated but more or less to the same extent with Green lantern. Most people or from what I hear around think DD deserves a sequel and I havent actually seen the DD director sadly.
 
Oh you should try to check it out. It's much better than the theatrical cut. Has a lot more development for Murdock.

But, it still has the horrible playground fight scene though! I just fast forward that bit.
 
Please stop there. That's the problem, why should we give ANY movie a free pass? Is this 1990 when only a tiny percentage of movies being made had anything to do with comic book properties?

X-Men started a new era of comic book movies, then Iron Man raised the bar again, followed by The Dark Knight. Why do we have to "settle" for anything? This summer alone we have five comic book films, do we automatically give them all credit just for being made?

I guarantee you if Cowboys & Aliens bombs critically and financially like Green Lantern did only a vry small number of people (if any) would ask others to give it a "free pass"


At this stage in the game the audience and the critics have seen what these films have to offer when their at their best. This being the case I'd say yes, films in the past have gotten the pass based on the freshness of it all.

Here's a question for the counsel.
If Superman Returns and Green Lantern were to literally switch release dates would the the world be coming down as hard on GL given that it wouldn't be following two pretty good stabs at the genre this summer(thor lesser so), but rather pretty much the only release of 2006?

And would Superman Returns be the triumphant return of the great one with it's plane save and pointless villain and kid and all that bs In this day and age? Not throwing a single punch would make the parallax fight look like Raging Bull.

I honestly believe that as of last weekend, the standard implicitly went up and people are really to hate crime any films adaptation that isn't up to snuff. Cause if it was Wolverine or Ghost Rider released this weekend, I think the numbers and reviews would have been far worse than they got. And that goes double for Superman Returns.

Bad high profile adaptations really need to tread lightly round these parts.
The tricky things is something looking like utter crap really helps you give a pass to the next thing.
 
At this stage in the game the audience and the critics have seen what these films have to offer when their at their best. This being the case I'd say yes, films in the past have gotten the pass based on the freshness of it all.

Here's a question for the counsel.
If Superman Returns and Green Lantern were to literally switch release dates would the the world be coming down as hard on GL given that it wouldn't be following two pretty good stabs at the genre this summer(thor lesser so), but rather pretty much the only release of 2006?

And would Superman Returns be the triumphant return of the great one with it's plane save and pointless villain and kid and all that bs In this day and age? Not throwing a single punch would make the parallax fight look like Raging Bull.

I honestly believe that as of last weekend, the standard implicitly went up and people are really to hate crime any films adaptation that isn't up to snuff. Cause if it was Wolverine or Ghost Rider released this weekend, I think the numbers and reviews would have been far worse than they got. And that goes double for Superman Returns.

Bad high profile adaptations really need to tread lightly round these parts.
The tricky things is something looking like utter crap really helps you give a pass to the next thing.

I agree, standards have changed during the decade, audiences are comparing comic book movies with each other now, even remember Sam Raimi saying that The Dark Knight raised the bar.

Releasing a comic book film like Batman 1989 today, with Micheal Keaton, Batman killing and a Prince soundtrack would be suicide.

Releasing Superman Returns in the early 90's, when Marvel were struggling?......it could be successful if released then, since there wasn't the oversaturation of comic book movies we have today.

Release Catwoman starring Halle Berry in any decade, everyone would LOL then facepalm.
 
The thing about the formulas earlier...those defending GL reusing the formula, using the weak defense, "every other movie did it," well, true, but as others had said, movies such as Iron Man and The Dark Knight have set levels for movies. The story used for Green Lantern might have worked five or ten years ago when the whole genre was new, but after seeing it over and over again, five/ten years later, the story becomes excruciatingly old and boring. Yeah Thor isn't perfect, but they did something different (not new) and just placed the audience in the world of Thor, just allowing our minds to accept everything, rather than having a 2 hour movie explain it to us.
 
But don't you think it's more about execution and delivery than it is about concept? On a lot of levels, all superheroes are equally silly in concept...okay, they don't all make big glowing green shapes etc...but I'm sure there are a lot of concepts from, say, robots that turn into cars, to a guy who dresses like a bat, and so on that on paper are rather childish, but can have adult appeal if a filmmaker can bring it to the surface that way and present it well.

To a point its about the execution.

I read through the first 60 reviews. There was some utter hyperbolic nonsense in them. A few decent points, like "It could have been better". But the problem is, many of them are merging the execution and the concept's inherent silliness or weirdness. And comparing everything to The Dark Knight. By and large, that's what is going on.

If I had to guess, I'd say the issue is that because the concept is silly, the movie has to work that much harder to appease critics. And, interestingly enough, its own fans. There's a lot of whining about realism and whatnot. The critics seem to find with formulaic films, as long as the films aren't TOO formulaic.

Here's some highlights, the main criticisms, if you will, from the Top Critics from Rotten Tomatoes:

"Filled with unintentionally laughable characters, intergalactic gobbledygook, sudden pacing shifts and a hero whose superpower is downright cartoony, this latest comic adaptation makes something like "Spider-Man" look both grounded and brilliant."

That doesn't sound like they value the source material much, or even bothered to give it much thought.

What, one might ask, is a Green Lantern? They would be a sort of galactic police force, ruled by the previously mentioned shrunken heads in long robes. Most of the characters look like refugees from the worst George Lucas film never made. There's even a fish with backward legs creature that gives off whiffs of Jar Jar Binks.

Jar Jar Binks?

And yet — and this is the film's most essential flaw — "Green Lantern" elects to be a space opera, spending far too much time flitting about the universe. An earthbound Lantern may have had more of a chance to connect on a gut level; as the character is something of a fluorescent Luke Skywalker rip-off (there's even talk of "dark forces").

Uh, the film spends most of its time on Earth. Also its a Star Wars ripoff, apparently.

That the super villain resembles nothing so much as a giant tentacled dust-bunny with teeth does nothing to make it strike fear in the hearts of the audience, even when said audience has been told that it is unconquerable. Then again all super villains are.

Dust bunny?

Even Mark Strong, in fetching red face-paint and Vulcan ears, can’t make the hackneyed and overblown lines sound any better than they are, despite effortlessly wearing an imperious sense of authority as the lead Lantern who disapproves of Hal’s induction to the corps despite the ring’s putative inability to make a mistake.

So apparently Mark Strong WASN'T fantastic, nor was his dialogue.

Comparing the film to prior superhero efforts isn’t flattering. Watching Hal and Carol flirt recalls the superior sparks thrown off by Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder in the first two “Superman” films. And where is the sense of joy found in being able to fly that the best superhero films deliver? Close your eyes and recall Reeve grinning as he took to the skies, or Robert Downey, Jr. feeling that adrenaline burst as his iron suit let him mock gravity.

So now it has to stand up against the best of the best of the superhero romances.

And apparently they missed the obvious joy from Hal when he learned he could fly.

Let us not mince words: a sci-fi epic about a magic imagination ring and an octopus-shaped cloud and the human being who can only learn to use his ring if he can get over the feelings of loss that have haunted him ever since his hotshot test pilot daddy died in an accident, that is not a film that can be understood quite as readily as "angry rich man turns into a vigilante", "boy gets radioactive spider bite, becomes spider", or "alien who is basically Jesus Christ saves everybody all the time", and it is thus not altogether surprising that the casual fan - or, indeed, the non-fan! - of comic books might find Green Lantern a bit harder to get into than Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman.

At least this critic admits this is something the critcs are doing.

So dumb. There’s just no inspiration to Green Lantern. The most special effect in the whole production is Ryan Reynolds’ backside in the hard, plasticky-looking Green Lantern outfit; one of the nicest bits of Hollywood padding since Michelle Pfeiffer’s hyper-fluffy derriere in 1992’s Batman Returns. There’s an inordinate amount of scenes of Reynolds in only the smallest of skivvies throughout a goodly portion of the film, but even that estimable sight wasn’t enough to save a film so lacking in imagination or wit. Perhaps part of the problem is that Green Lantern’s power itself makes an odd translation to film. The Lantern’s ring makes Hal Jordan’s thoughts a reality; he can’t just ask it to blow up an alien ship or knock someone across a room. Jordan must actually think of a giant fist that then materialises out of green light from the ring and punches his opponent. The same silliness occurs with a crashing helicopter; Hal’s quick thinking conjures up a sort of transport train which carries the disabled aircraft along a race car ramp over the heads of potential victims on the ground. Sound convoluted? Boy is it; as are the Gatling guns, catapults and other weapons that Hal must manually operate against his foes instead of the ring simply being able to dispatch the bad guys. It’s early days yet, but I’m betting if there’s any kind of award for worst visual effect of the year it’s going to Peter Sarsgaard’s bloated-headed alien mutation, which turns him into an unfortunate doppelganger for Rocky Dennis from the 1985 film Mask.

Apparently Hector Hammond's makeup is bad?

A pathetic superhero comic book film about the origins of the emerald-hued Green Hornet, filmed in 3-D and filmed without conviction for its cause. The plotline is convoluted, the dialogue is dreadful, the acting is stiff, the special effects are cheesy and the presentation is silly.

The Green Hornet?

Loud, incoherent and fuzzy-looking even with the 3D specs on, Green Lantern is the latest movie scraped from the barrel where studio execs store their childhood comic collections. I'm not even sure what Green Lantern's special skills are. He's a flying ace (Ryan Reynolds, doing a lot of eyebrow work) chosen when an alien crashes to earth. He has to defend a small patch of California from the dangerous over-acting of Peter Sarsgaard, while Geoffrey Rush looks on, dressed as a fish. As silly summer superhero movies go, this was thoroughly all right.

So this person didn't even get it, as simple as the concept and story was, and still gave it a positive review. Which was counted as a negative on RT.

Several critics have said the story was not coherent. Which is nonsense. Its incredibly easy to follow.

They've said that the movie suffers from superhero cliches, which literaly pretty much EVERY superhero movie has.

There have been complaints that the movie "doesn't know how to use Hector Hammond"...which obviously isn't true. He's a pawn of Parallax and a threat to Carol and Hal and his father.

And some of them just ramble about how they don't care for Hector Hammond or Parallax in general, BEYOND their design or story use. The basic concepts.

One of them even whines that GL chose to make a Hot Wheels racetrack to save the copter. One of the most creative things in the movie, and they whine about it.

Or they whine about how Hal Jordan as a character is irresponsible.

Do these really sound like fair, balanced reviews?

Green Lantern is a middle of the road film. It's not bad. It's not very good. The movie didn't have poor pacing, or bad dialogue, or even a bad story. It just didn't have the best of these. I think a lot of people just flat out expected the bar to be raised with this film, and I'm not sure why. I don't necessarily think the bar has to be raised every time. Maybe on something. With Green Lantern, it was clearly special effects.

The second half character arcs don't gel.

How so?
 
Do these really sound like fair, balanced reviews?

That's how opinions go, you always find fault in those you disagree with yours. Reviews, after all, are just opinions -- which are very hard to negate.
 
It is pretty obvious that Marvel made an anti-review conspiracy against the Green Lantern movie :D .

Ryan Reynolds was miscast as Hal, that simple. Hal isn't a standup comic. Have Reynolds play Guy Gardner. Get a time machine and get Ben Browder in his 30's to play Hal Jordan :p .
 
They could've raised the bar, but they fell short of that. And yeah, the villains were weak. Especially to the general audience. They were just corny and didnt have much real depth. They were just there, being evil or something. lol. Parallax was built up as a serious foe more than many other villains in CBMs, yet he was down in a matter of minutes.
 
From what I've read....

It spent too much time/not enough time in space.

The aliens were over/under used.

There was too much/not enough humor.

The special effects were terrible/great.

It was too childish/too scary for kids.

The chemistry between Reynolds and Lively was non existant/very well done and believable.

I could go on with this/I could just stop now.
 
An earthbound Lantern may have had more of a chance to connect on a gut level; as the character is something of a fluorescent Luke Skywalker rip-off (there's even talk of "dark forces").
Green Lantern was introduced in 1940 comic, and new Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) was introduced in 1959, As for Star Wars movies, the first movie was released on May 25, 1977.

So, can theses Critics please check the facts before making statements like Green Lantern is ripping off Star Wars ?
 
Perhaps part of the problem is that Green Lantern’s power itself makes an odd translation to film. The Lantern’s ring makes Hal Jordan’s thoughts a reality; he can’t just ask it to blow up an alien ship or knock someone across a room. Jordan must actually think of a giant fist that then materialises out of green light from the ring and punches his opponent.

No, he cannot just will power to blow up a ship, or throw a person. This reviewer just does not get what the GL ring can do and how Hal can use his imagination to create constructs, A green lantern is not gifted with telekinetic powers, in the movie Hector hammond gets this ability. If you cannot even understand the basic concept why review a movie ?
 
Green Lantern was introduced in 1940 comic, and new Green Lantern (Hal Jordan) was introduced in 1959, As for Star Wars movies, the first movie was released on May 25, 1977.

So, can theses Critics please check the facts before making statements like Green Lantern is ripping off Star Wars ?

Damn straight that Green Lantern has been around longer than Star Wars. Hal Jordan being compared to Luke Skywalker is basically laughable. Tomar-Re is like Jar Jar Binks? Really? :doh::whatever:
 
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I do get a small sense of satisfaction in knowing that so many critics who are "above mere comic books" are being forced to watch comic book movies and learn about the characters.

Even though they can't enjoy it, they'll know details about these characters for the rest of their lives. ;) Bummer, eh?
 
No, he cannot just will power to blow up a ship, or throw a person. This reviewer just does not get what the GL ring can do and how Hal can use his imagination to create constructs, A green lantern is not gifted with telekinetic powers, in the movie Hector hammond gets this ability. If you cannot even understand the basic concept why review a movie ?

Well... isn't it the movie's job to explain it's concept to audiences? You shouldn't have to read an instruction manual before seeing a film
 
It is pretty obvious that Marvel made an anti-review conspiracy against the Green Lantern movie :D .

Ryan Reynolds was miscast as Hal, that simple. Hal isn't a standup comic. Have Reynolds play Guy Gardner. Get a time machine and get Ben Browder in his 30's to play Hal Jordan :p .

Actually, a lot of the people who didn't like the movie (or thought it was mediocre) said Reynolds was fine, they just didn't think he had enough to work with.

Not that you would care of course. I'm sure you were praying that it would get bad reviews the moment you heard Reynolds was cast.
 
I do get a small sense of satisfaction in knowing that so many critics who are "above mere comic books" are being forced to watch comic book movies and learn about the characters.

Even though they can't enjoy it, they'll know details about these characters for the rest of their lives. ;) Bummer, eh?

Not really. GL is the only comic book film of the year to get a beating from critics. Green Hornet, Thor and XFC have all had their fair share of uber positive reviews.

Plus, a large part of the critical community are now sci-fi/comic book/fantasy fans to begin with. This isn't the 80s/90s when Siskel and Ebert critics were the standard.
 
"Filled with unintentionally laughable characters, intergalactic gobbledygook, sudden pacing shifts and a hero whose superpower is downright cartoony, this latest comic adaptation makes something like "Spider-Man" look both grounded and brilliant.


"Downright Cartoony" that what CGI at it's best looks given todays technology.

How can a Space Opera be "Grounded", it is wise to expect that ? and why must every thing be grounded, this is a fantasy Sci Fi movie.
 
To a point its about the execution.

I read through the first 60 reviews. There was some utter hyperbolic nonsense in them. A few decent points, like "It could have been better". But the problem is, many of them are merging the execution and the concept's inherent silliness or weirdness. And comparing everything to The Dark Knight. By and large, that's what is going on.

If I had to guess, I'd say the issue is that because the concept is silly, the movie has to work that much harder to appease critics. And, interestingly enough, its own fans. There's a lot of whining about realism and whatnot. The critics seem to find with formulaic films, as long as the films aren't TOO formulaic.

Here's some highlights, the main criticisms, if you will, from the Top Critics from Rotten Tomatoes:

"Filled with unintentionally laughable characters, intergalactic gobbledygook, sudden pacing shifts and a hero whose superpower is downright cartoony, this latest comic adaptation makes something like "Spider-Man" look both grounded and brilliant."

That doesn't sound like they value the source material much, or even bothered to give it much thought.

What, one might ask, is a Green Lantern? They would be a sort of galactic police force, ruled by the previously mentioned shrunken heads in long robes. Most of the characters look like refugees from the worst George Lucas film never made. There's even a fish with backward legs creature that gives off whiffs of Jar Jar Binks.

Jar Jar Binks?

And yet — and this is the film's most essential flaw — "Green Lantern" elects to be a space opera, spending far too much time flitting about the universe. An earthbound Lantern may have had more of a chance to connect on a gut level; as the character is something of a fluorescent Luke Skywalker rip-off (there's even talk of "dark forces").

Uh, the film spends most of its time on Earth. Also its a Star Wars ripoff, apparently.

That the super villain resembles nothing so much as a giant tentacled dust-bunny with teeth does nothing to make it strike fear in the hearts of the audience, even when said audience has been told that it is unconquerable. Then again all super villains are.

Dust bunny?

Even Mark Strong, in fetching red face-paint and Vulcan ears, can’t make the hackneyed and overblown lines sound any better than they are, despite effortlessly wearing an imperious sense of authority as the lead Lantern who disapproves of Hal’s induction to the corps despite the ring’s putative inability to make a mistake.

So apparently Mark Strong WASN'T fantastic, nor was his dialogue.

Comparing the film to prior superhero efforts isn’t flattering. Watching Hal and Carol flirt recalls the superior sparks thrown off by Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder in the first two “Superman” films. And where is the sense of joy found in being able to fly that the best superhero films deliver? Close your eyes and recall Reeve grinning as he took to the skies, or Robert Downey, Jr. feeling that adrenaline burst as his iron suit let him mock gravity.

So now it has to stand up against the best of the best of the superhero romances.

And apparently they missed the obvious joy from Hal when he learned he could fly.

Let us not mince words: a sci-fi epic about a magic imagination ring and an octopus-shaped cloud and the human being who can only learn to use his ring if he can get over the feelings of loss that have haunted him ever since his hotshot test pilot daddy died in an accident, that is not a film that can be understood quite as readily as "angry rich man turns into a vigilante", "boy gets radioactive spider bite, becomes spider", or "alien who is basically Jesus Christ saves everybody all the time", and it is thus not altogether surprising that the casual fan - or, indeed, the non-fan! - of comic books might find Green Lantern a bit harder to get into than Batman, Spider-Man, and Superman.

At least this critic admits this is something the critcs are doing.

So dumb. There’s just no inspiration to Green Lantern. The most special effect in the whole production is Ryan Reynolds’ backside in the hard, plasticky-looking Green Lantern outfit; one of the nicest bits of Hollywood padding since Michelle Pfeiffer’s hyper-fluffy derriere in 1992’s Batman Returns. There’s an inordinate amount of scenes of Reynolds in only the smallest of skivvies throughout a goodly portion of the film, but even that estimable sight wasn’t enough to save a film so lacking in imagination or wit. Perhaps part of the problem is that Green Lantern’s power itself makes an odd translation to film. The Lantern’s ring makes Hal Jordan’s thoughts a reality; he can’t just ask it to blow up an alien ship or knock someone across a room. Jordan must actually think of a giant fist that then materialises out of green light from the ring and punches his opponent. The same silliness occurs with a crashing helicopter; Hal’s quick thinking conjures up a sort of transport train which carries the disabled aircraft along a race car ramp over the heads of potential victims on the ground. Sound convoluted? Boy is it; as are the Gatling guns, catapults and other weapons that Hal must manually operate against his foes instead of the ring simply being able to dispatch the bad guys. It’s early days yet, but I’m betting if there’s any kind of award for worst visual effect of the year it’s going to Peter Sarsgaard’s bloated-headed alien mutation, which turns him into an unfortunate doppelganger for Rocky Dennis from the 1985 film Mask.

Apparently Hector Hammond's makeup is bad?

A pathetic superhero comic book film about the origins of the emerald-hued Green Hornet, filmed in 3-D and filmed without conviction for its cause. The plotline is convoluted, the dialogue is dreadful, the acting is stiff, the special effects are cheesy and the presentation is silly.

The Green Hornet?

Loud, incoherent and fuzzy-looking even with the 3D specs on, Green Lantern is the latest movie scraped from the barrel where studio execs store their childhood comic collections. I'm not even sure what Green Lantern's special skills are. He's a flying ace (Ryan Reynolds, doing a lot of eyebrow work) chosen when an alien crashes to earth. He has to defend a small patch of California from the dangerous over-acting of Peter Sarsgaard, while Geoffrey Rush looks on, dressed as a fish. As silly summer superhero movies go, this was thoroughly all right.

So this person didn't even get it, as simple as the concept and story was, and still gave it a positive review. Which was counted as a negative on RT.

Several critics have said the story was not coherent. Which is nonsense. Its incredibly easy to follow.

They've said that the movie suffers from superhero cliches, which literaly pretty much EVERY superhero movie has.

There have been complaints that the movie "doesn't know how to use Hector Hammond"...which obviously isn't true. He's a pawn of Parallax and a threat to Carol and Hal and his father.

And some of them just ramble about how they don't care for Hector Hammond or Parallax in general, BEYOND their design or story use. The basic concepts.

One of them even whines that GL chose to make a Hot Wheels racetrack to save the copter. One of the most creative things in the movie, and they whine about it.

Or they whine about how Hal Jordan as a character is irresponsible.

Do these really sound like fair, balanced reviews?

Green Lantern is a middle of the road film. It's not bad. It's not very good. The movie didn't have poor pacing, or bad dialogue, or even a bad story. It just didn't have the best of these. I think a lot of people just flat out expected the bar to be raised with this film, and I'm not sure why. I don't necessarily think the bar has to be raised every time. Maybe on something. With Green Lantern, it was clearly special effects.
Y'know....if GL fans as a whole really feeel that this was a faithful/respectful representation of the character and the overall vibe of the GL comic world, and the critical response was the same...then yeah, I'd say there's something inherent to GL that's an acquired taste that they're just not getting. Kinda' in the way that Watchmen, in staying so close to the source, alienated a lot of viewers that weren't familiar with the comic.

Maybe the real key to its appeal likes in the whole GL Corps and big space battles...for the majority of the film. Maybe for movies, Earth just isn't the place to get the most out of GL...in that something as fantastical and otherworldy as him needs an equally otherworldy setting, and that trying to make it 'relatable' undermines that to a point where it exposes its 'comic-book-ness' to those who aren't as receptive to it.

From the sounds of a lot of reviews/responses, the film suffered from major flaws that are rather rudimentary...bad storytelling, dialogue, pacing, etc. The kinds of things that can bring down any film, regardless of the subject matter. If true, the big question is...had those elements been good..well executed, well written, and so on...would GL naturally still present an uphill battle for the film by being GL? Is it still that hard to buy for those who aren't comic or GL fans? And if it is....is film just not the place for GL?
 
From what I've read....

It spent too much time/not enough time in space.

The aliens were over/under used.

There was too much/not enough humor.

The special effects were terrible/great.

It was too childish/too scary for kids.

The chemistry between Reynolds and Lively was non existant/very well done and believable.

I could go on with this/I could just stop now.

modern criticism, it's nice
 
Well... isn't it the movie's job to explain it's concept to audiences? You shouldn't have to read an instruction manual before seeing a film

I think it was explained by Hal to Carol where he says "Anything I can Imagine, I can create", then there is also a scene where Tomar Re tells hal " Ring can turn your thoughts into reality" and then as many reviewers say "Show, do not tell" Hal uses his imagination to create constructs of a fist, a necklace, a Sword, wall etc. What's is so hard to understand ?
 
I think it was explained by Hal to Carol where he says "Anything I can Imagine, I can create", then there is also a scene where Tomar Re tells hal " Ring can turn your thoughts into reality" and then as many reviewers say "Show, do not tell" Hal uses his imagination to create constructs of a fist, a necklace, a Sword, wall etc. What's is so hard to understand ?

Nothing. But doesn't that negate your previous claim that he "cannot just will power to blow up a ship, or throw a person"? That wasn't explained in the film, they just went with the basic ' it can do anything you want it to do.'

They didn't even explain that the ring does not allow you to kill. So, yes, it would be confusing to those unfamiliar with GL's powers in the comics
 
From the sounds of a lot of reviews/responses, the film suffered from major flaws that are rather rudimentary...bad storytelling, dialogue, pacing, etc. The kinds of things that can bring down any film, regardless of the subject matter. If true, the big question is...had those elements been good..well executed, well written, and so on...would GL naturally still present an uphill battle for the film by being GL? Is it still that hard to buy for those who aren't comic or GL fans? And if it is....is film just not the place for GL?

Now, what is interesting is If WB reboot the Green Lantern making minor adjustments to his origins and keeping the key aspects of the mythos intact, with a better script, better dialog, better CGI it would still face an uphill battle with critics as many just disapprove of the "Concept" itself, it is a bit Hulk like situation, I can see the rebooted movie getting an "Improved score " on RT as 35 %
 
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