Official UFC Thread

[Tobiaswins]

Yeah, Couture fought one hell of a match, I have much respect for
"The Natural". Can't wait for Hughes to get his rematch with St. Piere. As far as Liddell goes, I really don't see anyone beating him anytime soon, with the exception of Rampage Jackson.

 

[Butterbean]

^^ WTF ? ? ? ? ?

Shogun Rua would absolutely MURDER Chuck Liddell. Shogun is number one ranked in the world. He would maul Liddell.

 

[hey yo its sean]

As strong as the Iceman is, Rua would definitely put a hurt on him. Bad. Tobias meant that no one currently in the UFC's roster could beat him, I think.

 

[Butterbean]

hey yo its sean has common sense...

Chuck + Shogun = Big Loss for Chuck

 

[Tobiaswins]

As strong as the Iceman is, Rua would definitely put a hurt on him. Bad. Tobias meant that no one currently in the UFC's roster could beat him, I think.

Ya, that's what I meant, Rampage Jackson is the only one in the UFC that I can see really challenging Liddell. Although I'm still not sure who Rua is, does he fight in Pride?

 

[Butterbean]

^^ Omg.....just kill yourself now dude.....

If you don't watch Pride, then you aren't a fan of MMA, you are just a fan of the UFC, which is a b-level organization next to Pride FC.

 

[Butterbean]

Ok noobie......I'll explain something to you...

Dana White and ZUFFA run a business. They market their fighters and make them seem like the best fighters are in UFC because of the hype they put on them.

Problem is anyone who watches other mma organizations than just ufc realize who is the best fighters out there....

Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.

The HW's in UFC are another joke. Their best one is cro cop. Cro Cop came from pride and k-1 where he was famous. however he still is not number one. Fedor is the undefeated pound for pound best fighter on the planet. He fights for Pride.

LW's are another joke. Sean Sherk is the UFC LW champion. On mmaweekly.com, he isn't even ranked in the top ten of that weight class because the better fighters are in Shooto, Pride Bushido, Hero's, etc.....

Don't let Dana White and UFC fool you into believing every fighter you see in their organization is the best. It's propaganda.

Shogun Rua is ranked number one in the world in Chuck's division. Most ppl would put their money on Shogun.

 

[hey yo its sean]

Ya, that's what I meant, Rampage Jackson is the only one in the UFC that I can see really challenging Liddell. Although I'm still not sure who Rua is, does he fight in Pride?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yxl2f-nW3I

Shogun Rua. Beastly. Made quick work of Rampage. Chain didn't help Jackson.

^^ Omg.....just kill yourself now dude.....

If you don't watch Pride, then you aren't a fan of MMA, you are just a fan of the UFC, which is a b-level organization next to Pride FC.

Take it easy. Pride doesn't exactly have the exposure UFC has had. UFC is a giant; a giant that continues to grow. Give the guy a break.

 

[brainchild81]

People please don't turn this into a UFC bashing thread. I like Pride and UFC. They should have more cross company fights like they did when Liddell lost to Rampage though.

Uhh,..yeah, whatever...

What was that for?.

 

[Donnie Darko]

They should have more cross company fights like they did when Liddell lost to Rampage though.What was that for?.

like that Liddell/Silva fight they were supposed to have? I hate that that fight was called off.

 

[Butterbean]

The Silva / Liddell fight was never called on! Dana White had second thoughts when Silva's boy Anderson Silva destroyed UFC's MW poster boy, Franklin.

Anyone who knew ANYTHING about MMA, knew Anderson Silva would crush Franklin, but the noobs who got into UFC through SPIKE TV are idiots and they actually thought Franklin had a shot!!

LOL... The same ppl think Liddell is number one. LOL.

 

[The FallenAngel]

Dude...Butterbean...you need to chill out. Jesus.

 

[Cubs Fan]

Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.quote]



Ok I dont really like Liddell that much either and I think that Rampage could beat him again. I honestly dont know what to think about Shogun VS. Liddell. But I dont think Arona or Silva could beat him. If Dan Henderson can knock out SIlva, then there is no doubt in my mind that Liddell could do the same.

And Liddell doenst have great cardio, but his cardio isnt that bad either. If I remember right he went to the fourth round against Horn, and he didnt seem gassed to me.

And he has fought good competition, its not world class competition, but its good. Hes beat Jeremy Horn, Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, Sobral twice, Alistair Overeem, Ortiz twice, and Couture twice. So I'd say he has been challenged.

 

[Butterbean]

Dana White hypes up Liddell as a God. He is not. He was humilated by Rampage Jackson in Pride. He also does not have good cardio and also never has been challenged.

Look at Arona , Vanderlei Silva, and Shogun Rua. They all would prolly expose Liddell.quote]



Ok I dont really like Liddell that much either and I think that Rampage could beat him again. I honestly dont know what to think about Shogun VS. Liddell. But I dont think Arona or Silva could beat him. If Dan Henderson can knock out SIlva, then there is no doubt in my mind that Liddell could do the same.

And Liddell doenst have great cardio, but his cardio isnt that bad either. If I remember right he went to the fourth round against Horn, and he didnt seem gassed to me.

And he has fought good competition, its not world class competition, but its good. Hes beat Jeremy Horn, Kevin Randleman, Vitor Belfort, Sobral twice, Alistair Overeem, Ortiz twice, and Couture twice. So I'd say he has been challenged.

I do not deny the fact that Liddell is not a top five ranked LHW in the world...I just do not believe he can be number one. Until he faces Shogun, Vanderlei, or Arona, Liddell is top five or four. Not number one.

Shogun has a style that would wreck Liddell.

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.

 

[CrypticOne]

I'm glad Couture got the title. I didn't like seeing a flabby man have it.

 

[The FallenAngel]

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.

Yeah...thanks for proving my point.

 

[Butterbean]

Fallen angel, you have no point. You are a moron.

 

[Cubs Fan]

I do not deny the fact that Liddell is not a top five ranked LHW in the world...I just do not believe he can be number one. Until he faces Shogun, Vanderlei, or Arona, Liddell is top five or four. Not number one.

Shogun has a style that would wreck Liddell.

And for the moron who said I need to chill out ? ? ? WTF ?? ? Are you serious? U act like I'm beating my keyboard. What a nerd.

Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?

 

[Butterbean]

"Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cubs Fan]

"Well I'm not saying Liddell should or should'nt be number. But should'nt Shogun or Wanderlei have to beat Liddell in order to be number one?"

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont understand whats wrong with my question. I'm going by your logic here. You said Liddell is in the top five, but he cant be number one without beating Shogun or Wanderlei(which might not even happen). So why wouldnt it be the same for them?

 

[Qoèlet]

You said Liddell is in the top five, but he cant be number one without beating Shogun or Wanderlei(which might not even happen). So why wouldnt it be the same for them?

You don't seem to get it: what you're faced with here is the typical elitest rational any PRIDE fan has. Namely, simply fighting in PRIDE makes a fighter superior to talent elsewhere. Calling UFC a b-level show when UFC washouts just decisively beat PRIDE's overprotected lightweight champ and welterweight GP champ a couple weeks ago, saying that Arona would expose Liddell when stylistically that's an awfully good matchup for Liddell, that sort of thing. It's not logic at all, it's just embracing his own glaring bias. Additionally, citing mmaweekly rankings as evidence of anything is proof of a thoroughly unbalanced individual.

 

[Butterbean]

You don't seem to get it: what you're faced with here is the typical elitest rational any PRIDE fan has. Namely, simply fighting in PRIDE makes a fighter superior to talent elsewhere. Calling UFC a b-level show when UFC washouts just decisively beat PRIDE's overprotected lightweight champ and welterweight GP champ a couple weeks ago, saying that Arona would expose Liddell when stylistically that's an awfully good matchup for Liddell, that sort of thing. It's not logic at all, it's just embracing his own glaring bias. Additionally, citing mmaweekly rankings as evidence of anything is proof of a thoroughly unbalanced individual.

mmaweekly is a good mma website for you newbies out there.....

Pride does have the better fighters, but that's not an opinion. You research the websites out there with mmaweekly.com and mmaranks.com, etc...take a look at their top ten and see who they all fight for. Pride wins because their HW, LW, and LHW divisions are STACKED with top ranked fighters, where as UFC lacks.

UFC does have a better WW division with GSP, Hughes, and BJ Penn. Their MW is equal to pride because of Anderson Silva. Franklin, Marquardt, Lister and those guys are legit, but Pride has Denis Kang, Dan Henderson, and the number one MW in the world, BRAZILIAN TOP TEAM'S UNDEFEATED PAULO FILHO!!!!!!!

The fact is Shogun and Vanderlei already proved their number one rankings because they fought the best and beat the best. UFC protects Chuck and makes him fight the same people he's already beaten to make him seem like he is the best LHW 205 pounder in the world, but it's all Dana white and UFC hype...

If you are a casual fan and watches Spike TV for UFC, don't believe the hype. Do your own homework and come up with your conclusion.

But take it from me, someone who has been into the sport of MMA since the 90's, Shogun is number one in the world. If you watch all of Chuck's fights and all of Shogun's fights from Meca Vale Tudo, Bushido, and Pride, you will probably draw the same conclusion as me....

So when you talk about Liddell, you shouldn't assume he's the greatest just because he KO's the same people over and over.

The best example of Liddell in the top 5 is when people were wondering about the best LHW. The names included Quinton, Vanderlei, Arona, Rogerio Nogueira, and Shogun Rua.

No one knew where to rank Chuck in this division since all the fighters fought for Pride in 2003 (at that time, Pride clearly was number one while UFC was struggling). Arona was impressive, Rogerio was unstoppable, etc...

So out of all those top 5 Pride fighters, Chuck DID face one of them in 2003, he fought Quinton Jackson. Chuck got his ass handed to him...Chuck was on the ground helpless. Quinton clearly dominated and showed Liddell was nowhere near Arona, Quinton, Vanderlei, Rogerio or Shogun.

Then Quinton went on to lose to Vanderlei TWICE, therefore making Liddell look even worst. He can't even beat the Pride number two guy, no way he beats Vanderlei and Arona who were tied at number one.

You have to go beyond UFC if you really like the sport of MMA and then come up with your own logic, imo....

 

[Butterbean]

Also, styles make fights too...

I do not think Arona is number 1-2 or 3 in the world, however he poccesses an incredible MMA style, which actually is very boring to watch, but he is good at what he does. He has an incredible wrestling / BJJ ability. He can take anyone down and ground and pound them forever without getting tired.
He is incredibly strong and FAST!

Put Liddell in with Arona, most casual fans don't know who Arona is and will assume he is the same as Babalu, another brazilian, Arona would beat Liddell, imho. Why? Because Arona is a better wrestler than Chuck, and if Chuck can't KO Arona in the first minute, better just give it to Arona. Arona would shoot in on him countless times and put chuck on his back. Ever seen Chuck on his back? Not a pretty sight. Arona would be the agressor and eventually own Chuck to win a clear judges decision.

Rogerio vs. Liddell would be a good fight, with the recent upset, Liddell would be the clear favorite, but you can't count out Rogerio.

Wanderlei vs. Liddell, same thing with Rogerio, Liddell would be the favorite, but Silva's aggression would be a very interesting match up.

Quinton vs. Liddell II, LOL....Rampage wins..AGAIN!

Shogun vs. Liddell, Shogun OWNS Chuck anyway he wants. Shogun is number one people. He is unstoppable and just 23 years old.

 

[CrypticOne]

When Liddell takes on Rampage again, its going to be a very different fight. I see Liddell winning by KO. As for Liddell going up against Wanderlei or Shogun? Please people, lets not talk about it. Liddell would get owned, big time. Its not even a conversation.

 

[brainchild81]

Forgot to mention IFL comes on mondays on the former WB