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[BlackLantern]

and those are things that can be fixed with training

 

[Paroxysm]

E-Man's comparison was far more level headed & accurate than your suggestion of a comparison.

Actually doih pointed out how inaccurate it was but E-man decided to ignore it.

I don't understand all this Brock hate. I am a casual fan myself and I think he is a pretty good and entertaining mixed martial artist. He needs to brush up on his defense and I can see him back in the top mix within a year or so

He was handed a title shot, protected from real opponents, and now that the UFC can no longer deny guys in the HW division, hype train derailed.

 

[Paroxysm]

and those are things that can be fixed with training

How do you train someone to take a punch?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

He was handed a title shot, protected from real opponents, and now that the UFC can no longer deny guys in the HW division, hype train derailed.

Mir and Carwin are amazing fighters IMO

 

[BlackLantern]

How do you train someone to take a punch?

get punched in the face....I know very little of MMA, aside from what I see on UFC or WEC, so I don't know how training goes

but I don't think this loss is a bad thing for Lesnar, sure no one likes to lose, but good fighters learn from those losses, make adjustments and improve

 

[Iron_Stark]

It's because he was a pro wrestler first and the hardcore fans bristle at the prospect of some fake wrestler coming into their real sport. This could be because the only two American pro wrestlers who have done anything in MMA are Lesnar and Lashley. In Japan, a bunch of pro wrestlers tried MMA, and most of them got destroyed. A few MMA fighters did moonlight as pro wrestlers in Japan though.

They couldn't really say anything after Brock dominated Mir and only lost to a rookie mistake, nor could they say anything after Brock beat Herring, then Couture, and then Mir again.

The Brock hating really took off after his poor showing and lucky win against Shane Carwin, and his poor showing and loss against Velasquez doesn't help matters.

Brock cutting WWE-esque heel promos and becoming essentially the face of the UFC so early in his career also didn't help.

Even so, the same people had the same reaction when Fedor lost too, even though Fedor was dominant for ten years and 31 fights, instead of just 5 and a handful.

If Brock had had a decent strike defense, the fight with Velasquez would have lasted longer, and Brock may have won. It was his lack of strike defense and his reaction to being hit that should be criticized because it would be a legit criticism. The people who are tearing down every aspect of him are only doing so because they don't like him.

That said, I'll take a first round TKO over watching yet another fight go to decision.

People should youtube Alberto Del Rio/Dos Caras Jr vs Mirko Crocop.

What Brock Lesnar did was quite extraordinary. I doubt Bobby Lashley or any other wrassler turned MMAer would even be top 10 in any major organization.

 

[doih]

It's because he was a pro wrestler first and the hardcore fans bristle at the prospect of some fake wrestler coming into their real sport. This could be because the only two American pro wrestlers who have done anything in MMA are Lesnar and Lashley. In Japan, a bunch of pro wrestlers tried MMA, and most of them got destroyed. A few MMA fighters did moonlight as pro wrestlers in Japan though.

People should youtube Alberto Del Rio/Dos Caras Jr vs Mirko Crocop.

What Brock Lesnar did was quite extraordinary. I doubt Bobby Lashley or any other wrassler turned MMAer would even be top 10 in any major organization.

Er..Josh Barnett?


Anyhow, to answer the dozens of posts here I want to make it clear I don't hate Lesnar. If fact if you look at my posts, as well as my column I've said that he's improved with every fight- see the differences in his GnP from Mir 1 to Mir 2, see his improved sub defence, top control, even pulling off a sub win which I don't think anyone expected.

That being said, his striking is and he just doesn't like getting hit. Not that anyone does but if you want to be a fighter, much less a champion, you need to learn to defend instead of running, turtling up completely and blocking. He needs to get a new camp, bring in good strikers and sub guys, work on his striking and guard game. Konrad and Tuscherer aren't going to cut it.

Anyway, to try and change the topic: how do you peeps think Cain will do against JDS?

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

How do you train someone to take a punch?

Sparring, get conditioned like boxers do. Football players take hits in practice, same for fighters.. With headgear and pads obviously.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

People should youtube Alberto Del Rio/Dos Caras Jr vs Mirko Crocop.

I said most, not all. I also didn't know Dos Caras Jr. fought Mirko. I'll have to go watch that.

What Brock Lesnar did was quite extraordinary. I doubt Bobby Lashley or any other wrassler turned MMAer would even be top 10 in any major organization.

Maybe, but Lashley could have potential, as he did win five or his last six. Over time, perhaps. He's still very new, and much like Brock, has a lot to learn.

Batista wants to fight in MMA now, and only wants three fights. He most likely won't do well (read: will be destroyed), and will just make it harder for them to cement any kind of legitimacy.

He was handed a title shot, protected from real opponents, and now that the UFC can no longer deny guys in the HW division, hype train derailed.

I'll grant you Heath Herring and Frank Mir (hasn't been the same since the motorcycle accident), but are you honestly saying that Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin aren't real opponents? Carwin would have won if he hadn't punched himself out, and Randy Couture is, well, Randy Couture.

If Brock had beaten Velasquez, would you also include Velasquez as 'not a real opponent'?

I will concede that Brock did get the title shot too soon though.

 

[Paroxysm]

Anyway, to try and change the topic: how do you peeps think Cain will do against JDS?

JDS has arguably faced better competition but he's also lost a fight to lesser competition. So they're about even in my book. It should be a great fight. The sad thing is the most attractive aspect of the Heavyweight division (big power; anyone can get KO'd at any moment) is the very same thing that diminishes the credibility and longevity of the Heavyweight championship itself. It's a malicious paradox.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

He needs to get a new camp, bring in good strikers and sub guys, work on his striking and guard game.

Just bring in Carwin and have him do combos to Brock's head.

 

[doih]

^^
Carwin isn't really a combinations guy

Well JDS only loss was quite awhile ago. Can JDS keep the fight standing? And if he can't, can he sub Cain? JDS on paper is very good on the ground, but we haven't seen him in practice. We haven't seen much of Cain's sub defence either, so there's a lot of unknowns for this fight.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Junior Dos Santos has good combinations, and bombs in his hands that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ls7ldH9xE8

 

[Iron_Stark]

I said most, not all. I also didn't know Dos Caras Jr. fought Mirko. I'll have to go watch that.



Maybe, but Lashley could have potential, as he did win five or his last six. Over time, perhaps. He's still very new, and much like Brock, has a lot to learn.

Batista wants to fight in MMA now, and only wants three fights. He most likely won't do well (read: will be destroyed), and will just make it harder for them to cement any kind of legitimacy.



I'll grant you Heath Herring and Frank Mir (hasn't been the same since the motorcycle accident), but are you honestly saying that Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin aren't real opponents? Carwin would have won if he hadn't punched himself out, and Randy Couture is, well, Randy Couture.

If Brock had beaten Velasquez, would you also include Velasquez as 'not a real opponent'?

I will concede that Brock did get the title shot too soon though.

Oh I was agreeing with your post, apologies if it came out anyother way.

 

[Paroxysm]

I'll grant you Heath Herring and Frank Mir (hasn't been the same since the motorcycle accident), but are you honestly saying that Randy Couture, and Shane Carwin aren't real opponents? Carwin would have won if he hadn't punched himself out, and Randy Couture is, well, Randy Couture.

If Brock had beaten Velasquez, would you also include Velasquez as 'not a real opponent'?

You're right, all of them are real opponents. To me it was all a matter of matchmaking up until his first title defense.

 

[BlackSymbiote]

Okay, new plan: Have Carwin and Junior stand on either side of Brock and take turns punching him in the face. I only say this because I have this image in my head and it's hilarious.

 

[Deadpool876]

DW didn't look very happy. lol

 

[Paroxysm]

Cain Velasquez on his fight with JDS.

"Junior dos Santos is next in line and I have to get ready for him. He's an amazing striker. He's the best in the HW division as a striker. He has good TDD, and if he does get taken down he gets right back up."

http://espn.go.com/extra/mma/blog/_/name/mma

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Winner of Cain/Junior fights Tubby Nelson right?

 

[Paroxysm]

No, maybe loser but definitely no winner. lol Cain wins he stays champ, JDS wins he becomes champ.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Hm, Idk why I thought Nelson was next in line for a title shot. Glad if he's not though

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Cain Velasquez on his fight with JDS.



http://espn.go.com/extra/mma/blog/_/name/mma

This is great for the fans, no easy tuneup fight in-between.

 

[Mace Bloodstone]

Hm, Idk why I thought Nelson was next in line for a title shot. Glad if he's not though

His fatboy gimmick can only take him so far.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

He keeps winning fights though. We all hate him, Dana hates him, but he's been beating people up.

 

[LOBO3315a]

Sparring, get conditioned like boxers do. Football players take hits in practice, same for fighters.. With headgear and pads obviously.

Yeah, he doesn't need to become a boxer, just learn how to defend against the hits he was taking (Not turning your back on your opponent). Give him 6 months of sparring with a good boxing coach, and someone who isn't afraid to hit him in his pie-hole, and he'll be back on top.