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Oliver Stone's Savages

1) Everyone saying that Any Given Sunday wasnt realistic because of how Jamie Foxx's character rose to stardom. Think Jeremy Lin.
2) I have a feeling I'll be rooting for the cartel in this movie
 
IGN gives it 5.5/10

Oscar winner Oliver Stone directs this adaptation of Don Wislow’s bestseller Savages, which follows Ben (Aaron Johnson) and Chon (Taylor Kitsch), two lifelong friends from Laguna Beach who share everything from a burgeoning marijuana empire to the same woman, O (Blake Lively). This triangle isn’t just some lusty menage a trios; O loves both men equally, and they her.

Their bonds are tested when they reject a business offer from a Mexican drug cartel led by Elena “La Reina” (Salma Hayek). She made them the proverbial offer they couldn’t refuse that they instead refused, and now her payback is swift and brutal. La Reina sends her enforcers, led by the merciless Lado (Benicio Del Toro), to kidnap O and keep her hostage for the duration of their three-year business arrangement. With help from Chon’s former Navy SEAL buddies, Chon and Ben enact an elaborate, bloody plan to get their girl back.


Imagine Jules and Jim meets Scarface and you’ll have an idea of what Savages is going for, which makes it sound a whole lot cooler than the end result. Stone’s movie is a lurid mess, which isn’t exactly a new thing for him, but it can at least at times be an interesting mess. The biggest problem with Savages is that it’s a dopey love story about three boring, amoral people who you don’t care about or are interested in seeing either escape The Life or be reunited.

Ben is the Good Drug Dealer who goes off to Third World countries to help the less fortunate, rejects violence and wants to quit the business. Chon is a messed-up vet of Iraq and Afghanistan who sees their competition as savages and has no problem being the brutal enforcer. O, short for Hamlet’s Ophelia, is … blonde and beautiful. We’re told she’s like a lotus flower or some s**t, but she’s really just a bland, poor little rich girl who probably would have ended up on a reality show had she not hooked up with Ben and Chon.

Lively’s performance is as grating and dull as her character, and the script gives her a slew of silly “enlightened” lines to drone on about in her narration. O is evidently in this for two only reasons: coochie and capture. She’s also dumb as a bag of hammers when chatting with her captors. Looking like a Drug Lord Jesus, Johnson tries to make Ben likable, but his character is incredibly naïve for someone who’s essentially the Mark Zuckerberg of pot dealers. But, hey, he’s for clean, renewable energy, so that just about makes him a hero amongst this lot of degenerates. Kitsch is less wooden here than he was in John Carter and Battleship; he’s the “cool” one and a credible ass-kicker. With all their shirtless scenes and toking, though, they should have named their business Pecs & Pot.

Hayek is viciously appealing in a role reminiscent of the crime matriarch in Cocaine Cowboys, but her scenes with Lively are among the most confounding in the movie. (Game of Thrones does a much better job of handling such villainess/captive conversations.) Del Toro is suitably menacing as her henchman, a bearish brute who is sneakier than he seems. John Travolta damn near steals the movie in a darkly comic turn as a DEA agent playing every possible angle; he also deserves kudos for finally ditching that ridiculous toupee and showing off his balding pate. Demian Bichir plays an urbane cartel member who’d be right at home talking to Crockett and Tubbs, while Emile Hirsch pops up as Ben and Chon’s money laundering whiz kid.



Savages’ script is a mess, chock full of unappealing characters, dopey dialogue and inexplicable moments, and a tone that ricochets from brutal thriller to goofy black comedy to drama. There will undoubtedly be a kneejerk reaction to the movie branding it racist (three beautiful, young white people and those vicious Latino criminals haunting them). Stone’s certainly no stranger to controversy or even to accusations of racial stereotypes (those claims go all the way back to Midnight Express and Scarface). I wouldn’t go so far as to call Savages racist, though, as every character in the movie is a worthless s**t, regardless of their race. And the movie, as horrifically violent as it gets, actually downplays some of the more heinous, gruesome violence the Mexican cartels are renowned for.

While it was nice to see Oliver Stone return to the kind of movie he might have made back in the late ‘80s (probably with Charlie Sheen, Frank Whaley, Daryl Hannah, and James Woods as Travolta’s character), Savages just isn't all that good and, most surprising for such an outrageous movie about drug deals gone bad, boring.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/29/savages-review
 
A 5.5? Non-sense. I saw this movie at a press screening last night and enjoyed it very much. It didn't quite have the frenetic energy of something like Natural Born Killers but it didn't need it. The film very much felt like Stone making a movie that he might have made 15 years ago, but conciously reacting to the way he used to do things. The film is quite violent but I felt that all the characters were well established. I don't think its a situation of "wanting to root for the cartel" as the main characters had a lot of heart. The only thing I think people won't like is that Blake Lively is playing the same character she always does. That doesn't really count against the film though, because in just the context of this one film, she's pretty good and performs what the role calls for.
Taylor Kitsch for once fell correctly cast, not having to carry the whole movie on his own shoulders.
The guy from Kick Ass (Aaron Johnson?) was also quite good, and really quite unrecognizable.

All of the older cast, Benicio del Toro, Selma Hayak and John Travolta were all at the top of their game in this movie.

Emile Hirsch shows up to, which was a pleasent surprise.

It seems that the IGN writer and I actually agree on quite a few points, but I guess I simply enjoyed it more.
 
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Yeah so far teh IGN review seems to be the only negative one Ive seen
 
Is it just me or does IGN give a lot of negative reviews.
 
Yeah, I don't really trust IGN with TV/Movie reviews. They should stick to videogames. I mean, they praised the hell out of The Walking Dead: Season Two. Yeah, it was alright, but they think its god or something.
 
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This movie makes good use of the song Ghosts I Track 2 by Nine Inch Nails, also used in the vid above.
 
I saw this earlier today. I finished the book a week ago and was very impressed with it. It was a wild ride. The film, not so much. From the reviews I was expecting the film to really be a smorgasbord of bullets, breasts, bud, and blood, but it wasn't quite that. It was very violent, in spots, but there wasn't as much gun play or nudity as some of the critics seemed to think there was. It wasn't as explosive as Scarface and the end didn't feel as satisfyingly complete.

As for the IGN review above, I can't disagree about the film's characters being unlikeable for the most part, though Chon, O, and Ben weren't so despicable that you couldn't root for them. However, the book gives them all-including the cartel members-more dimension. But for the movie, Salma Hayek stood out the most for me. I thought she did an excellent job. Del Toro was okay, I didn't care for him as much as many of the moviegoers around me did. And I thought the other two leads, Kitsch and the other guy were alright. I do agree with the above review that Kitsch especially handled his role well. I also thought Travolta turned in another solid performance, the crowd really liked him, but it didn't knock me over.

One thing that did impress me about the film though was how up to date it was on the recent Mexican presidential election. I wonder if they went back and dubbed stuff in or re-shot scenes for that or something.
 
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Can you tell me the ending in detail?. SOmeone already spoiled part of it for me and I just want to know if it's as ridiculous as it sounds
 
"Ben's a buddhist, Chon's a baddist."

Line of the year?
 
You can always buy a ticket, then sneak into the other theatre to watch Katy Perry squirt whipped cream out of her bustier.
 
Blackman,

Spoilers follow....






Already my memory is starting to fade so forgive me if this isn't exactly right. The two parties arrive to make the trade. Elena (Hayek) steps out of the car and Lado (Del Toro) hangs back. Elena gives O (Lively) over to Ben and Chon in exchange for her daughter. Once O is safely in the truck, Elena heads back to her vehicle, stops and asks Ben and Chon (inexplicably I might add), "Who's the snitch?" They nod at Lado and then she turns to shoot at him, starting a gun battle. Both sides have snipers. So there's a big shoot out.

If I recall correctly, both Lado and Elena are mortally wounded. Ben is also mortally wounded. Chon is shot in the leg, and O is not badly hurt. Seeing Ben is dying, O wants to die with him and so does Chon. So Chon gives them all morphine (why he has it? The book explains that, the movie never does). And they die together, holding each other.

But that's a fake out ending. Which pissed me off, because that's roughly how the book ended.

There's like a rewind. After the trade is made, Lado bails on Elena and the DEA, with Dennis (Travolta) swoops in and arrests her. Ben, Chon, and O are all safe and eventually run away to Indonesia. Elena goes to jail and Lado sets up business with El Azul (Elena's main rival in the film). It just felt like a tacked on Hollywood ending. The worst stunt pulled since the Hollywood ending of I Am Legend.
 
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Blackman,

Spoilers follow....






Already my memory is starting to fade so forgive me if this isn't exactly right. The two parties arrive to make the trade. Elena (Hayek) steps out of the car and Lado (Del Toro) hangs back. Elena gives O (Lively) over to Ben and Chon in exchange for her daughter. Once O is safely in the truck, Elena heads back to her vehicle, stops and asks Ben and Chon (inexplicably I might add), "Who's the snitch?" They nod at Lado and then she turns to shoot at him, starting a gun battle. Both sides have snipers. So there's a big shoot out.

If I recall correctly, both Lado and Elena are mortally wounded. Ben is also mortally wounded. Chon is shot in the leg, and O is not badly hurt. Seeing Ben is dying, O wants to die with him and so does Chon. So Chon gives them all morphine (why he has it? The book explains that, the movie never does). And they die together, holding each other.

But that's a fake out ending. Which pissed me off, because that's roughly how the book ended.

There's like a rewind. After the trade is made, Lado bails on Elena and the DEA, with Dennis (Travolta) swoops in and arrests her. Ben, Chon, and O are all safe and eventually run away to Indonesia. Elena goes to jail and Lado sets up business with El Azul (Elena's main rival in the film). It just felt like a tacked on Hollywood ending. The worst stunt pulled since the Hollywood ending of I Am Legend.

That's roughly what I heard. Both those endings sound stupid to me.

Thanks though
 
As someone else mentioned there wasn't as much nudity as some people make it out to be. In fact theres significantly less than what you might expect even watching the film. Several sex scenes with Blake Lively and yet she never shows any more than her legs.

A lot of man-ass however, which my gf appreciated.
 
Blackman,

I think the book ending (which is more like the first 'fake' ending, but not completely like it) was actually more fitting, for the novel. It made sense to me, in a macabre, poetic justice kind of way. The book fleshed out these characters and their relationships far better-granted, the format allowed it to-so why they did what they did made more sense.
 
As someone else mentioned there wasn't as much nudity as some people make it out to be. In fact theres significantly less than what you might expect even watching the film. Several sex scenes with Blake Lively and yet she never shows any more than her legs.

A lot of man-ass however, which my gf appreciated.

Are the scenes hot at least? I've got 2 recommendations from people who have seen it but some hot Lively action is really my only interest lol.
 

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