One undeniable improvement in 3: no embarassing speeches

[Kevin Roegele]

What I don't understand is that John Q. Public didn't have any issues with Spider-man 1 or Spider-man 2's dialogue. In fact, I recall alot of praises for Aunt May's Heroes speech in SM2 from the uninitiated. Why are we fans making such a big deal about it now?

Mr Public certainly did have problems with the dialogue, maybe you just didn't hear it at the time. I certainly did.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

What I don't understand is that John Q. Public didn't have any issues with Spider-man 1 or Spider-man 2's dialogue. In fact, I recall alot of praises for Aunt May's Heroes speech in SM2 from the uninitiated. Why are we fans making such a big deal about it now?

Mr Public certainly did have problems with the dialogue.

 

[BHD]

I thought the butler had the worst speech of all

 

[Mr Jide]

Mr Public certainly did have problems with the dialogue, maybe you just didn't hear it at the time. I certainly did.

As did I.

 

[spideyman101]

Final Battle: Take out the "wicked cool" kids...

take out the crapishly bad british news reporter

leave Hal Fishman in (news anchor) (but make his appearance VERY small)

 

[spideyman101]

I thought the butler had the worst speech of all

what the crap?

what is wrong with you people?

someone gives a heart-felt speach from thier heart... someone tells a "like-a-grandson-figure" that they loved them as their friend's love him. and all of a sudden you heart-less monsters start criticising it for being too nice...

what do you monsters want? a blood feast where no bodies nice?

 

[Kevin Roegele]

what do you monsters want? a blood feast where no bodies nice?

That's exactly what Spider-Man is all about!

 

[Visionary]

An R-rated Spider-Man film, that's where it's at.

 

[spidered7]

Aunt May's speech is what Spider-Man 2 is all about. Not every comic book movie has to be dark and brooding.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Aunt May's speech is what Spider-Man 2 is all about. Not every comic book movie has to be dark and brooding.

Great use of logic. A movie is either dark or brooding, or it has embarassing speeches. One or the other.

 

[lordofthenerds]

I was fine with Aunt May's speech in Spidey 2...well at least they had some decent music playing in the backround.

I thought the butler had the worst speech of all

I agree. Not only was it poorly written, but it's only purpose was to serve as a lazy plot device.

 

[Grievous]

I would rather seen more of these speeches than kids everywhere screaming: WICKED COOL! SPIDER-MAN! And so on...

Spider-man day was also frustrating

yes the movie did not need that kid saying wicked cool

 

[maiko-san]

I liked the end "speech" in SM2. That scene in the doorway worked. Those speeches didn't hurt the first two movies.

I think the reporter in the climax and Bernard plot device hurt SM3, though.

exactly, at that point the film died a protracted very painful death!

 

[Cyrusbales]

I think it's obvious that writing problems are inherrant in the spidey movies, especially the latter two.

 

[DACMAN]

Spider-Man Day was mainly a crappy cheese festival.

The final battle's Brittish reporter, old man news guy, and stupid crowd (especially the kids) hurt the final battle alot. All that needed to be cut.

And also the stuff you mentioned from Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 really aren't that bad. It's love. Pukey, but true.
I didn't mind them.

I heard those kids were Raimi kids.

 

[shigsy2003]

I don't mind the speeches in these films. Aunt May is dull but the speeches don't bother me.

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

Sandman's speech was annoying. Both times I saw the film.

 

[Blader5489]

I agree. Not only was it poorly written, but it's only purpose was to serve as a lazy plot device.

It was probably cut down, too. Bernard says about five words before Harry replies with "What are you trying to tell me?" It's an awkward jump in the conversation and, considering how much footage we already know was cut from the film, suggests that some of the scene was chopped out. I think it's safe to say that a Spiderman 3.1 will show us the full length of Bernard's speech.

 

[TheVileOne]

I honestly didn't find any of the speeches in any of the movies embarrassing really.

It's true to the comics guys. Except these days the speeches have gotten a lot stupider.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I mostly like Aunt May's hero speeches but they get redundant and stale at times.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's Aunt May's role though. She gives Peter guidance, speeches, and paternal love just as she has for YEARS in the comics.

I thought the scene she had talking about marriage was great. In a way I think it shows that Peter himself was not ready for marriage in the end just like May and Ben, when Ben first asked her to marry him.

Mary Jane and Peter I feel aren't getting married any time soon, but just have to work through their current roadblock before they can reach that step.

 

[The Joker]

I quite enjoyed Aunt May's speech in SM-2. And how it was applicable to both Peter and Ock.

That was one of Spider-Man 2's strengths, that they made a conceptual connection between Peter and Octavius, rather than an actual forced one like with Sandman.

 

[TheVileOne]

I quite enjoyed Aunt May's speech in SM-2. And how it was applicable to both Peter and Ock.

That was one of Spider-Man 2's strengths, that they made a conceptual connection between Peter and Octavius, rather than an actual forced one like with Sandman.

I agree but this seems somewhat different than your views from a couple of years ago .

Though couldn't it be argued that the filmmakers forced a connection between Peter and Octavius in the movie as well that never existed in the comics?

Just saying, that's what was kind of being posted here non-stop after the release of Spider-man 2.

 

[The Joker]

I agree but this seems somewhat different than your views from a couple of years ago

Yes, I know.

I stopped looking at these movies as comic adaptions, and just started looking at them as movies.

As adaptions of the comics, the Spidey movies are not the best, IMO. But as movies themselves, they're really great.

Though couldn't it be argued that the filmmakers forced a connection between Peter and Octavius in the movie as well that never existed in the comics?

But, the connection wasn't forced. It was quite natural. Peter is a science student. Octavius is a great scientist. Only natural that Peter would know of him, and probably admire him.

They did something similar in the cartoon, too. In fact, they took it even further, as Peter attended a science camp as a child which had been run by Octavius.

And again, the strength of their connection was on a conceptual level. Peter was being irresponsible by giving up his responsibility of being Spider-Man so he could live his dream of a normal life.
Octavius was being irresponsible by doing evil things to make his dream succeed.

Great writing there.

 

[chaseter]

Yes, I know.

I stopped looking at these movies as comic adaptions, and just started looking at them as movies.

As adaptions of the comics, the Spidey movies are not the best, IMO. But as movies themselves, they're really great.



But, the connection wasn't forced. It was quite natural. Peter is a science student. Octavius is a great scientist. Only natural that Peter would know of him, and probably admire him.

They did something similar in the cartoon, too. In fact, they took it even further, as Peter attended a science camp as a child which had been run by Octavius.

And again, the strength of their connection was on a conceptual level. Peter was being irresponsible by giving up his responsibility of being Spider-Man so he could live his dream of a normal life.
Octavius was being irresponsible by doing evil things to make his dream succeed.

Great writing there.

Agreed.