One undeniable improvement in 3: no embarassing speeches

[TheVileOne]

But, the connection wasn't forced. It was quite natural. Peter is a science student. Octavius is a great scientist. Only natural that Peter would know of him, and probably admire him.

That happens to be tight with his teacher and that happens to be one of the scientists funded by his best friend. Talk about forced and contrived coinicidences .

They did something similar in the cartoon, too. In fact, they took it even further, as Peter attended a science camp as a child which had been run by Octavius.

I remember this and I liked how the cartoon approached it. It wasn't a throwaway thing either since it was brought up again later on.

And I feel at the end of the day it does work better than having to make Sandman the guy who shot Uncle Ben. Which I didn't think was absolutely terrible, but there was room for improvement. I think another route could've been taken in that reinforcing that before he got powers Marko was thwarted or put away by Spider-man. I think even the movie comic prequel did this. The movie might've been better served to have taken this path instead of the Uncle Ben one.

Octavius was being irresponsible by doing evil things to make his dream succeed.

Great writing there.

For Sandman I like the idea that he's a guy doing evil things in order to help the person he loves, but he just keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. But the movie was so busy it felt a little lost to me.

 

[The Joker]

That happens to be tight with his teacher and that happens to be one of the scientists funded by his best friend. Talk about forced and contrived coinicidences

Yes, but Octavius knowing Connors wasn't of any significance to the plot. And Harry funding Ock served the purpose of Ock needing something from Harry, and in turn leading to Ock pursuing Spider-Man, which set off an exciting chain of events leading to both Harry and MJ learning Peter's secret.

Sandman being connected to Peter was something that could have been left out completely. Or, if Raimi felt absolutely compelled to link Marko to Peter, he could have just used good writing, and made it a conceptual connection, like with Ock.

After all, it's not like SM-3 was short of personally connected foes like with Harry and Brock.

I remember this and I liked how the cartoon approached it. It wasn't a throwaway thing either since it was brought up again later on.

Exactly.

Like with Ock having a link to Harry. It was used later on to show just how dangerous Ock was and how far he'd go to get what he wanted. And how desperate Harry was to avenge his father.

And I feel at the end of the day it does work better than having to make Sandman the guy who shot Uncle Ben. Which I didn't think was absolutely terrible, but there was room for improvement.

I didn't think it was terrible either. Peter stopping Carradine was still essential to Ben having being murdered.

It's just the Sandman connection to it was forced and unnecessary, IMO.

For Sandman I like the idea that he's a guy doing evil things in order to help the person he loves, but he just keeps making the same mistakes over and over again. But the movie was so busy it felt a little lost to me.

Yeah, I had no problem with Sandman's motivation, either. Far more interesting than anything he's done in the comic books.

It's just a pity we didn't see more of the Marko family and how they might have reacted to Marko's change.

 

[Mr Jide]

That's Aunt May's role though. She gives Peter guidance, speeches, and paternal love just as she has for YEARS in the comics.

You mean, maternal.

 

[DACMAN]

That's Aunt May's role though. She gives Peter guidance, speeches, and paternal love just as she has for YEARS in the comics.

I thought the scene she had talking about marriage was great. In a way I think it shows that Peter himself was not ready for marriage in the end just like May and Ben, when Ben first asked her to marry him.

Mary Jane and Peter I feel aren't getting married any time soon, but just have to work through their current roadblock before they can reach that step.

"maternal"