The Amazing Spider-Man 2 Origin of the Vulture

[Super Jim]

Alright, I've working on this one for a little while now and need help...

Here's where I am...

1. We have unconfirmed reports that Colm Feore will be in Amazing Spiderman 2 and will be Adrien Toomes.

2. As we all know, Adrien Toomes is the alias of the Vulture.

3. I'll sure admit, Colm has the look for this role, if it's true.

4. Back in March Webb dropped an on set pic of Feore in a suit at Ravencroft Prison.

5. We will already have, at a minimum, Electro and Rhino, and very likely the Green Goblin. Other possibilities include Felicia Hardy and/or Black Cat.

Alright, so here's the deal. I have been speculating for, well a long time now, that we're heading toward a Sinister Six movie (or two). In order to have that we'll have to have The Vulture (he's been in just about every incarnation of the S6).

So the rumors are Colm is Vulture, but this pic above causes issues with that...

I can't figure out how Adrien Toomes, the Vuluture, would fit in as some guy wearing a suit at Ravencroft Prison.

So, is this picture a red herring?

Is the picture real but Colm Feore is not playing Adrien Toomes?

Since he is wearing a suit I make the assumption that he is someone of authority in the prison. So if Adrien was the warden, or a doctor, or something like that, how could he be developed into the Vulture?

Per Spiderman canon, in one case Toomes was an engineer who invented a flight harness and used it to enact revenge on his corrupt business partner.

Also, Spiderman first realized he could sell photos to the Daily Bugle when he took some pics of the Vulture.

After the first Sinister Six battle, where Vulture was the last to fight Spiderman before he got to Doc Ock, and was put in prison, Toomes thought he was dying and gave up the location of a spare flight harness to his cellmate Blackie Drago (who became the next Vulture).

Now, since this has to do with prison I could see this story being applied to Toomes, modified.

What about this...

Toomes is the director of Ravencroft Prison. Something happens where he feels that he has been mistreated or needs money. It could be forced retirement (I like that one), family issues, you name it. One of the inmates either created a harness, or better yet, stole one from the government. Toomes takes steps to find the location of the missing harness (he could use drugs or whatever to obtain the info). He could even kill, or have killed, the prisoner to show how crazy he is.

Actually, it could be that there is this Russian thug who steals these military items. The stolen items are taken away by associates, but this Russian thug (lets call him Aleskei) gets caught by Spiderman and put in prison.

Toomes gets Aleskei to divulge the whereabouts of his accomplices.

Toomes steals this harness and becomes the Vulture.

The Goblin (or Osborn), whom Aleskei was working for, confronts Toomes and forces him to allow Aleskei to escape, or gives him a drug that transforms him (you get the idea). In return, Toomes can keep the military flight harness.

Anyway, this is just one possibility that I've come up with. Some, or none of it could be correct.

Do you think Feore will be Toomes?

If so, why is he in Ravencroft wearing the suit, or is that a red herring?

Will we see him transform in TASM2, or will that happen in TASM3 (or not at all)?

 

[JOE]

I'd have him saved for TASM 3. As we've clearly seen before in a previous Spider-Man film, 3 villains crowds things.

 

[Rise_-]

Won't be happening at all in this.

There's Harry to introduce, Electro's story, Rhino's story, Norman/GG... if he is Toomes, which I think he is, he won't be turning into the Vulture in this one.

 

[Nicko-Ray]

No confirmation he is Toomes at all.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I hate how the second a rumor spreads, such as Vulture and Black Cat appearing in TASM2, everyone starts going around saying this movie feels like Spider-Man 3 all over again.

If he is indeed Adrian Toomes, then his part will probably be minor. I can totally see Feore in that role. TASM2 would serve as his introduction, and he could become vulture in a third or fourth film. Or never. Who knows?

But if Marc Webb really is mapping out a cinematic universe, we could potentially get Vulture in a film at some point.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Won't be happening at all in this.

There's Harry to introduce, Electro's story, Rhino's story, Norman/GG... if he is Toomes, which I think he is, he won't be turning into the Vulture in this one.

This.

Assuming he is Toomes, his transformation/becoming the Vulture will only be hinted at if anything at all...nothing more. They've already cut MJ out because there was too much story to tell.

 

[Super Jim]

I agree, TASM3 is where we will likely see the origin of Vulture. If anything, to me the reason why I could see Webb making Toomes associated with Ravencroft is to introduce the character in TASM2 (as Toomes) with the future obviously planned.

The Vulture supports my idea of the Sinister Six being the "think bigger" story where we're heading too, so I like this possibility, but the outstanding question is still:

Do you think the picture of Feore in a suit at Ravencroft is real and will be in TASM2?

If yes, then what role is this character where he would be wearing a suit (Warden, docter, something else)?

If he is Toomes and say the warden or a doctor, then how does this play into him becoming the Vulture?

 

[Rise_-]

I don't see why he can't be someone working at Oscorp who's sent to Ravencroft as their representative or something like that.

I figure Oscorp/Ravencroft will have some ties anyways.

I can see them making out Connors to be in Ravencroft, as Rhys did say Connors was in a high-security prison or something at the end of the first film.

 

[JOE]

I want someone to call him a Vulture just to give the fanboys something to turn around and look at their buddies at.

 

[Super Jim]

I don't see why he can't be someone working at Oscorp who's sent to Ravencroft as their representative or something like that.

I figure Oscorp/Ravencroft will have some ties anyways.

I can see them making out Connors to be in Ravencroft, as Rhys did say Connors was in a high-security prison or something at the end of the first film.

Totally agree that Connors is locked away at Ravencroft.

I could see Toomes being a pyschiatrist working woth Connors, but would that be in the film? Probably not. I don;t think Ifans will be in TASM2 directly.

If Toomes works for Oscorp, what kind of job?

What about this idea...

What if the movie starts at the after credits scene with "the man in the shadows" leaving Connor's cell, and in this case it turns out to be...

Adrien Toomes!

Many of us thought it was Osborn (I sure did), and some speculated anything from Mysterio, to Electro to the Chamelion.

But thinking of it now, the guy in the shadows was talking like an older guy, which matches the Vulture/Toomes (but more matches Osborn to me). Maybe Toomes is working for Osborn, which is what will lead to (in TASM3) the wing harness or cross species tranformation.

Simply we could be shown the outside of Connor's cell and us hearing Connors yelling "you should leave him alone" (but we never see Connors inside). A moment later this older gentleman (who was Massee, but is now Feore) comes out, walks to the door, and waits to be let out. He could say something like "Mr. Osborn thanks you", or he could give an envelope to one of the guards as a payoff. You get the idea...

This would require Toomes to then report in at Oscorp with Osborn or someone else (like Ratha's character). This would then lead to Osborn being given the serum and transforming into the Goblin.

Toomes could effectively be the replacement for Dr. Rajit Ratha. I know that the last we saw Ratha he was being attacked on the bridge and was saved by Spiderman. So it could be assumed he got away. We also know that there was a deleted scene in which he confronted Connors down in the sewers and by all appearances it didn't turn out too well for Ratha. It could be assumed that Connors killed him, but again that scene never made it into the movie.

So is Ratha alive and still running things, meaning that Toomes would be reporting to him, or is Ratha gone and Toomes is the new bad guy CEO until Osborn gets "cured"?

Hmm... this one makes some sense. It would match Ifan's comment about the man in the shadows not being Osborn. It would be a very interesting way to bring Toomes (and the Vulture) into the story. It makes much more sense than Toomes being the warden of Ravencroft.

My only problem with this speculation is that he's not wearing the hat or coat that the man in the shadows was wearing. I guess when he comes out he could take it off and hand it to a henchman, but why?

I still feel that the original story had the man in the shadows as Osborn, but maybe that has been modified?

One other thing to consider, in looking at the Ravencroft/Feore photo his right hand seems to be activating something, likely the door, which is where he appears to be looking. Would an outsider operate a door in this way at a high security prison? I think not, which is one of the small things that made me feel like Feore's character is the warden or a doctor at Ravencroft. Effectively someone who would have a position of authority that would activate the opening of a security door.

Hmmm... This one is still tough if indeed Feore is Toomes...

 

[Picard Sisko]

I want someone to call him a Vulture just to give the fanboys something to turn around and look at their buddies at.

"Toomes, you really are a VULTURE." -Norman Osborn

Reminds me of how Harvey Dent's nickname was "two-face" before he actually turned into the villain.

 

[Oscorp]

"Toomes, you really are a VULTURE." -Norman Osborn

Reminds me of how Harvey Dent's nickname was "two-face" before he actually turned into the villain.

I just looked into the future and saw Nolanites yell "RIP-OFF!!"

 

[Picard Sisko]

I just looked into the future and saw Nolanites yell "RIP-OFF!!"

Hehe, yeah they probably would do that.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I think he's just a guy(supervisor) who works at the prison(Ravencroft).

 

[UltimateWebhead]

"Toomes, you really are a VULTURE." -Norman Osborn

Reminds me of how Harvey Dent's nickname was "two-face" before he actually turned into the villain.

Toomes: "Norman, I don't want to be tied down to this project. I want to venture off and spread my wings."

 

[JOE]

All of that. ^

 

[Super Jim]

I think he's just a guy(supervisor) who works at the prison(Ravencroft).

Do you think he'll be Adrien Toomes, or is that rumor off?

 

[Nicko-Ray]

I think he's just a guy(supervisor) who works at the prison(Ravencroft).

Do you think he'll be Adrien Toomes, or is that rumor off?

Bet the rumor's off. Wasn't any official word on it at all.

 

[Super Jim]

You have to admit, Feore, a known actor, sure has the look for Adrien Toomes/Vulture!

 

[Nicko-Ray]

Yeah. Whoever he's playing, he definitely has the look for ol' Vulchie.

 

[Oscorp]

Toomes: "Norman, I don't want to be tied down to this project. I want to venture off and spread my wings."

I love this!!

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

I'd say he is in for 5-10 minutes, name gets dropped, and is responsible for Dillon's incarceration or giving him the suit as a 'gift.'

I then could see him towards movie's end and sees that Norman stole his tech thus the reason why he chooses to build a suit with wings. Norman could even call him 'you crooked nose, baldheaded, old vulture."

 

[Venom'sDad]

Do you think he'll be Adrien Toomes, or is that rumor off?

Honestly, I really don't know....my gut says he is, because of the uncanny resemblance; but yes, I have to say the rumor is off, because there is nothing, including casting, that say he's Toomes other than the resemblance. That pic of him in business attire could very well be a red-herring; but at this point, I have no sense that it is, so I'm being safe for now and say he's just a guy name Joe.....I mean, work at Ravencroft.

 

[amazingly atiba]

check out the general discussion a poster put a great thing up

 

[amazingly atiba]

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