Paramount's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - - - Part 12

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[Alex_Spider]

Splinter found a picture that April drew when she was 7 and learned ALL THE BACKSTORY from that one damp crayon picture.

Uh, really...??
But how did April knew about Shredder in the first place at such young age?

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Uh, really...??
But how did April knew about Shredder in the first place at such young age?

She took of them as pets at her dads lab she shared with Sachs. She thought of them as pets. Valumart over-simplifying it.

 

[Lord Valumart]

Uh, really...??
But how did April knew about Shredder in the first place at such young age?

Her inbuild telepathic powers that she got from being around them and the ooze for years.

She took of them as pets at her dads lab she shared with Sachs. She thought of them as pets. Valumart over-simplifying it.

It was supposed to be a joke...

 

[Alex_Spider]

Uh, this sucks so bad. A version of TMNT where splinter and shredder are not connected nor have a rivalry originating from japan? Seriously, how much brain damage it takes for this? Even if you dont give a damn about the source material, you must be really stupid to throw away the dynamic and drama of hamato yoshi and oroku saki back story.

Hell, connecting april with the turtles and eric "sucks", but not splinter with shredder?
Honestly I would prefer the origin where the rat is hamato's pet and learns ninjitsu by copying his moves as cheesy as that might sound.

And if they wanted to be somewhat realistic within the movie universe they could play it out that the rat didn’t initially copy the moves in the cage, he was just watching imprinting them in his mind and when the ooze was injected to him and his intelligence increased, then he started recalling his master cause of the affection he had for him and the moves he used to watch. They could also keep the book as a way to remind him of his past and hamato more quickly.

 

[Nathan]

I don't even understand what they meant with, was it Liebesman who said it, the Yoshi/Saki story being complicated. How is it that the 90's Movie was able to establish the connection with a couple minutes and lines, but today it would be way too tough to do that? Yet they bent over backwards, trying to connect April to the Turtles.

And if they wanted to be somewhat realistic within the movie universe they could play it out that the rat didn’t initially copy the moves in the cage, he was just watching imprinting them in his mind and when the ooze was injected to him and his intelligence increased, then he started recalling his master cause of the affection he had for him and the moves he used to watch. They could also keep the book as a way to remind him of his past and hamato more quickly.

They could have done that, and as Splinter gains sentience, and recalls memories of his master, he goes back to the place where he was murdered. Looking for anything that will keep the memories of his master alive. And while looking for anything of his Master Yoshi, he comes across scrolls, teaching the ancient Secrets of Ninjitsu. That would have been better than just finding an English book on Ninjitsu in the sewers, which probably doesn't contain any Ninja Secrets that have been highly guarded.

 

[Alex_Spider]

I don't even understand what they meant with, was it Liebesman who said it, the Yoshi/Saki story being complicated. How is it that the 90's Movie was able to establish the connection with a couple minutes and and lines, but today it would be way too tough to do that? Yet they bent over backwards, trying to connect April to the Turtles.

This is just madness

They could have done that, and as Splinter gains sentience, and recalls memories of his master, he goes back to the place where he was murdered. Looking for anything that will keep the memories of his master alive. And while looking for anything of his Master Yoshi, he comes across scrolls, teaching the ancient Secrets of Ninjitsu. That would have been better than just finding an English book on Ninjitsu in the sewers, which probably doesn't contain any Ninja Secrets that have been highly guarded.

Yeah I agree going back in the place would be much better. One other thing that took me a bit off was the insanely amount of resources and tech the turtles had in their lair. Typical bay extravaganza. How in the hell were they able to put together so many lcd's and computing machinery. By stealing it? I would prefer a more minimal approach really.

 

[Nathan]

Well, in the old cartoons Donnie always had some crazy tech in the lair, to build all kinds of gadgets. But for story telling purposes, maybe it would have been better to start out small. Small Lair, minimal tech. Then as their home gets destroyed, they find another place, which is a lot bigger and smells less like the sewers. And after they defeated Shredder, they strip his compound for parts, basically spoils of war. And that's how Donnie gets all his nice tech & equipment.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Uh, this sucks so bad. A version of TMNT where splinter and shredder are not connected nor have a rivalry originating from japan? Seriously, how much brain damage it takes for this? Even if you dont give a damn about the source material, you must be really stupid to throw away the dynamic and drama of hamato yoshi and oroku saki back story.

Hell, connecting april with the turtles and eric "sucks", but not splinter with shredder?
Honestly I would prefer the origin where the rat is hamato's pet and learns ninjitsu by copying his moves as cheesy as that might sound.

And if they wanted to be somewhat realistic within the movie universe they could play it out that the rat didn’t initially copy the moves in the cage, he was just watching imprinting them in his mind and when the ooze was injected to him and his intelligence increased, then he started recalling his master cause of the affection he had for him and the moves he used to watch. They could also keep the book as a way to remind him of his past and hamato more quickly.

Straight outta the comics.

 

[Alex_Spider]

Straight outta the comics.

Um so is the connection of yoshi/saki that was thrown away in this movie and is a hell more important and crucial to the mythos.I dont mind that they connected april with the turtles. But they should also include the other one.

And if there wasnt enough screen time for both and they were forced to include only one, then its unacceptable and stupid to choose the april/turtles. Although I think they could easily include both with a bit more film run time.

 

[Nathan]

That sentence needs to read "Straight outta the comics and butchered to hell." Yes, the comics did the April/Turtles connection first, but it also did the connection so much better in the comics, the Movie connection pales in comparison. It's truly half assed.

Also, it's truly moronic that, once April rescued the Turtles, who she treated as her pets, she wouldn't take them home with her. Instead she dumped them in the sewers, where they would have been fated to die, had they not been injected with the Mutagen. Splinter as a rat would have been fine, but 4 Turtle babies wouldn't have survived in the sewers.

 

[Human Torch]

Anyone else think it was kinda lame that April apparently named all the Turtles after renaissance painters (since it was "project renaissance", Ha-ha)......but she names the Rat,Splinter.


Whaaaaaaaaat?

 

[Nathan]

In the comics she named only the Turtles. Splinter got his name from the other people in the Lab, because of the drug they used, since it Splintered is mind or something like that.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

As someone who hasn't read or touched the IDW comics, that makes a lot more sense than just a rat being randomly named Splinter. I did like that the 80's cartoon at least explained the reason for his name.

 

[BlueLightning]

They were named after a book about Renaissance that Splinter found in the sewers.

 

[Prison Mike]

Saw the movie last night. I had no problems with it, it was funny in some parts but I think I just outgrew TMNT. I only saw it for nostalgia reasons but this was clearly aimed for a younger, new audience. The kids in the theater loved it so I guess that's all that matters.

 

[TigerClaw]

She took of them as pets at her dads lab she shared with Sachs. She thought of them as pets. Valumart over-simplifying it.

It's similar to the IDW comic, In which April, Was a Lab Assistant and she was the one who named the Turtles, Someone else named Splinter. But the Turtles and Splinter are actually reincarnations of Hamato Yoshi and his 4 Students.

 

[BatLobster]

Honestly I would prefer the origin where the rat is hamato's pet and learns ninjitsu by copying his moves as cheesy as that might sound.

Not me, that has always been the dumbest and most lol-worthy part of the original for me. Now, did the new origin make much more sense? Not a ton, but I'll still take "kinda dumb and half-baked" over "LOL WTF LOL". April naming the rat Splinter for no apparent reason is kind of weird, but it does not even begin to compare to the utter silliness of a normal, non-mutated rat mimicking ninjitsu moves in a cage.

I've said it numerous times, but they can EASILY introduce the Homato Yoshi/Saki backstory via the reincarnation angle int he sequel and I believe that's absolutely what they are building towards. The movie has plenty of hints and little touches that could be expanded upon in that direction, and it's obvious that the writers are familiar with the IDW origin based on them using other aspects of it. Then there's this:

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Like I said the other day, I think it's better to doll out that backstory over multiple movies because it keeps Shredder an intriguing and mysterious figure who grows in significance as the series goes on, rather than front-loading all of that in the first movie and having nowhere to go but down (see: Shredder in TMNT 1 vs Shredder in Secret of the Ooze). And it also makes the Turtles more mythological as the story progresses.

I honestly really dig that direction.

 

[Klank]

I've said this before but it bares repeating that if Leibesman (more likely execs at Platinum Dunes) felt that the back story with Yoshi was in his words "too complicated" to include in a movie which was all about the origin then I hold little hope they'd include it in a sequel.

I don't hold out much hope that this could be changed. Despite what is being said about listening to fans it was actually Viacom that stepped in and ordered rewrites and if Leibesman and Eastman at panel at had at comic con are indication they really, really thought that idea of the turtles as aliens was something amazing and seem bummed that it was no longer so.

To be honest I've never had much of a problem with the whole 'a rat learning martial arts' because it's part of the charm of an idea that no one ever thought would be given scrutiny however for those it bothers I think simply going with Laird's idea that Splinter never really learned it as a rat but rather exposure to ooze awakened all the memories of seeing Yoshi train as well as watching his murder.

To add insult to injury Tristan Jones who I'd say was the best writer of the modern Mirage comic TMNT actually posted what he knew about the origin of the movie back before Platinum Dunes became involved...

I remember about five years ago talking to Gary Richardson about the script for the pre-Bay TMNT movie -- the one we probably would've got before Bay got involved -- and there was this great idea that tied Splinter's knowledge of martial arts to martial arts based on the movements of animals. I remember really loving this idea, and how it reinforced the bond between Hamato Yoshi and Splinter pre-mutation, and how it did so much to reinforce a sense of mysticism in that world without really doing much at all AND made the "rat knows ninja stuffs" idea probably the most palatable it's been since the first Mirage comic (which was just "here it is, take it or leave it").

Now Splinter just learns it from a book he finds in the sewers. Because sure.

Sigh...

That sounds way better to me and admittedly I'm no expert on the history of martial arts but from what I'm told has some basis in how a lot were actually formed.

I've grown to like the IDW reincarnation twist but that with having several issues to really sell it but a movie has a finite time to do this. Besides I don't think a sequel is going to spend a good deal of time in ancient Japan how on earth could they work in Megan Fox. t:

 

[terry78]

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3892&p=.htm

Knock knock youse about ta git shell shocked.

 

[Klank]

^^^

Not really. Pretty much what I expected.

 

[Zaron]

If anything the impressive part of that article is that GotG is still doing this well in its third week. It not only came in second, but a close second. Sad news about Expendables. I'm about to see it, so I'll see if it really deserves the poor opening.

 

[Lencho01]

To add insult to injury Tristan Jones who I'd say was the best writer of the modern Mirage comic TMNT actually posted what he knew about the origin of the movie back before Platinum Dunes became involved...

That sounds cool. I assume that's from before Laird sold the rights.

 

[Klank]

That sounds cool. I assume that's from before Laird sold the rights.

Yep.