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Paramount's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - - - Part 12

The fact that TMNT is still holding its own against the highest grossest movie of the summer with the strongest legs is still great. It could've just as easily not even competed, given the glaring contrast in reviews.

Gotta wonder how much more Guardians might've made if not for TMNT cutting into their second and third weekend.
 
But the same can be said about Transformers. Those movies get horrible reviews, yet, they make a TON at the box office. Overall, people like these kind of movies.
 
But the same can be said about Transformers. Those movies get horrible reviews, yet, they make a TON at the box office. Overall, people like these kind of movies.

More people like them vs hate them.
That's kinda all that matters.
 
^I have a feeling the tomoto meter will go up when this hits the UK anyway, the critics dont seem as harsh on movies over here. As long the movie is fun they will give it a decent review.
 
^I have a feeling the tomoto meter will go up when this hits the UK anyway, the critics dont seem as harsh on movies over here. As long the movie is fun they will give it a decent review.

I doubt it would go up by much. The more reviews that are submitted to RT, the less each review influences the score. I don't see the score more than about 2 or 3 percent at this point.
 
Some more concept art...

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You really have to wonder at what these people were thinking...
 
Anthony Francisco,you will never work in this town ever again.:o
 
Yeah, let's not get revisionist here. Most of the people hating on this movie were not saying "I know this is going to be a hit but...".

Oh no no no. A lot people claimed this was gonna be a franchise-killing bomb. People claimed it was going to be too gritty and scary (the Turtles' appearances) for kids, and that it was going to alienate the nostalgia crowd (heh, get it) and miss both audiences. After GOTG hit, a lot of these same people were talking about this movie like it was dead in the water.

People came out to see this movie, both families/kids and the older crowd. It found itself a nice niche and was successful. Now we'll get a sequel, and probably more.

Those on board can continue to enjoy the franchise, while the rest can keep it out of sight/out of mind if they wish. That's really all there is to it.

I'm not being revisionist. Admittedly I can only talk about about I've heard and read and in all sincerity I've never seen any serious suggestions that this movie would be a financial failure.

Far from it years ago when the aliens controversy kicked off I saw many obnoxious comments on the internet about how story and "whiny fans" meant nothing. That all we have to do is look at the billion dollar Transformers movies to see Michael Bay makes huge hits. Even people who were leery about the quality of the movie were pretty much resigned that it would be a huge hit.

It's only really recently that people have been seriously suggesting that this would not be the case and even then I've never seen anyone suggest that it would outright fail but rather fall very short of the initial predictions. I think it's fair to say that's how it's worked out.

The fact that TMNT is still holding its own against the highest grossest movie of the summer with the strongest legs is still great. It could've just as easily not even competed, given the glaring contrast in reviews.

Gotta wonder how much more Guardians might've made if not for TMNT cutting into their second and third weekend.

In a similar manner when it was first announced this movie would be released in the same month as Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy I heard a lot of similar comments about how TMNT's such a recognizable brand and being a much loved property meant it would beat a movie about characters no one cares about.

Now a lot of those same people seem to argue as if it was always seen as an inevitability that Guardians would be this huge hit and that simply doing half their money is seen as an accomplishment.

But the same can be said about Transformers. Those movies get horrible reviews, yet, they make a TON at the box office. Overall, people like these kind of movies.

Well whether a movie is seen as a hit or a flop is subjective. Usually relative to how much money it was expected to make. A lot of people are painting this as a hit because it beat recent predictions. I'm arguing otherwise because it's fallen very short of it's initial predictions.

This movie is nowhere near Transformers levels of money and while I don't begrudge their marketing team for painting this as success I think the description that's it's making "a TON at the box office" doesn't quite fit a movie that's struggling to make it's budget back. Essentially it hasn't made any money yet.

Even the idea that people must like it to go watch it doesn't really sit right with me. Three people involved in this movie have stated that to some degree they believe even though fans of these properties may hate their versions they'll go see anyway. Andrew Form even said even if this movie sucks we'll go see it because we love those characters. To large degree I believe this has proven true but with TMNT not doing the business of it's contemporaries in at a time with the market it primed it suggests that isn't as true as it used to be.
 
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Guardians was a surprise smash, I have never seen anyone suggest otherwise.
 
A lot of people are painting this as a hit because it beat recent predictions. I'm arguing otherwise because it's fallen very short of it's initial predictions.

This movie is nowhere near Transformers levels of money and while I don't begrudge their marketing team for painting this as success I think the description that's it's making "a TON at the box office" doesn't quite fit a movie that's struggling to make it's budget back. Essentially it hasn't made any money yet.
This is why it's so aimless imo.
Even when faced with empirical numbers you manage to duck and cover behind what you claim some individuals supposedly said. None of which of course can be proved or disproved and even if it was, it's just some 'individuals' that you will then hold entirely accountable. And thus the cycle of saying what we want to say as it supports to the argument we want to push continues.

When BO mojo and the rest of the analysts predicted low numbers(after trailers and a good sense of the early reception), how the film did in relation to those is the most accurate measure of how the film did. You can predict how Avengers will do 1 year out or you can predict how it will do going into that friday, which do you figure is the more accurate prediction?

I'd challenge you to instead think on your own actual predictions and how the film performed in relation to those. You either guessed it would do 'Transformers Numbers'(that would be interesting), or you thought it would do the opposite(can't imagine all your rhetoric over the past several months didn't support the under performing angle) or you seemingly guessed it would do just as it is. The average marvel phase one numbers. In the face of what is proving to be stiff competition at that(I read somewhere that said film is the highest domestic of the summer).
 
This is why it's so aimless imo.
Even when faced with empirical numbers you manage to duck and cover behind what you claim some individuals supposedly said. None of which of course can be proved or disproved and even if it was, it's just some 'individuals' that you will then hold entirely accountable. And thus the cycle of saying what we want to say as it supports to the argument we want to push continues.

When BO mojo and the rest of the analysts predicted low numbers(after trailers and a good sense of the early reception), how the film did in relation to those is the most accurate measure of how the film did. You can predict how Avengers will do 1 year out or you can predict how it will do going into that friday, which do you figure is the more accurate prediction?

I'd challenge you to instead think on your own actual predictions and how the film performed in relation to those. You either guessed it would do 'Transformers Numbers'(that would be interesting), or you thought it would do the opposite(can't imagine all your rhetoric over the past several months didn't support the under performing angle) or you seemingly guessed it would do just as it is. The average marvel phase one numbers. In the face of what is proving to be stiff competition at that(I read somewhere that said film is the highest domestic of the summer).

*sigh

I've admitted more than once that when debating this it's based on what I have seen so naturally there will be some observational bias even if I feel I've followed the movie and various opinions on it through a broad amount of media.

I think it's a silly thing to do to challenge me to recall specific claims and comments going back years. Apart from a few that really stuck out I remember the general "feeling" was that there were two camps. Those who thought the movie will be a huge success because that's Bay does so the fanboys should just suck it and those who thought it would be garbage but sadly probably would a huge success because that's what Bay does.

For my part I never thought it would do quite Transformers money but I did initially feel that it would be a bigger success than it is because..well if people went to see the three Transformers movies than there's no reason why they couldn't do something similar with TMNT.

I started to think otherwise when the movie was delayed and it's reports of it's budget slashed more than once and then further still as the months ticked on and a lack of promo was present I felt that Paramount knew they had a turkey on their hands and they were just going to make the best of it.

I did make a prediction on this board shortly before the movie released that it would beat the cited numbers it was set to pull in but on the whole not make that much and that it's scattered international releases would hurt it.
 
Fortunately I didn't ask or challenge you to recall specific claims as I said it's entirely convenient that you can now play that card, even in the face tangible proof of what analysts were thinking with all the evidence in front of them. I personally don't recall all that many people disagreeing with BO mojo and the 4 other sites when they gave those 'second place to GotG opening' predictions. I really don't remember anyone suggesting it would opening 20 units higher...
Yes, I understand and figure you are pulling from your observational bias, I'm not saying it's entirely fictional but rather how it's expected and also why it's going to get us nowhere. You are going to do it and walk away thinking this 'evidence' is proof as to the films so called under performance. It is what it is.

It takes more than a big producer and 80's toyline name to hit as big as TF/Pirates on a non sequel. We've seen several films in the same scenario fail. Your film also have to be as 'good' as those two films and no supporter knew that months out. That's why so many of us were touted as having what we called an 'open mind'.
I personally recall a list of people that thought this film would be **** from it's incarnation, but I suppose that's my personal observation.
 
Ha, that concept art is horrible. Is that legit? :funny:
 
Someone thought those designs were good for characters in a movie aimed primarily at kids :dry:
 
I don't know what you guys are freaking out about. When I heard Michael Bay was involved with a Ninja Turtles reboot I assumed the turtles would have hooves and automatic weapons.
 
and yet, they look more like turtles than most TMNT designs ever.
 

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